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Khan Vozdig
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:39 pm 
 

Visiting the American West has always been on my bucket list and with the current goings on involving police brutality over there , I thought it would be fitting to ask what a foreign fellow like me can expect , since this forum seems to have a large amount of American members ...

So to get to my point an ethnic Tatar like myself obviously doesn't neatly fit into the racial/ethnic categories that seem to predominate over there , yet the fact remains that I can be easily mistaken for being Native American on account of my physical appearance , which begs the question of how worried should I be about bigoted cops ...

What especially interests me is the issue of drinking in public and knife carry , since the latter seems to be more loosely regulated in many parts of the States , while the opposite seems to apply to the former ...

In short would taking extra pains not to drink in public while having a knife on my belt help me avoid any potential unpleasant encounters ? Or do gestures like this really not matter when faced with cops who are genuinely prejudiced against people who appear to be Native American ?

Also would many cops think I was mocking them based on my accent ? I mean I imagine it could come across as fairly weird for a person who looks Native American to answer in an Eastern European accent , especially in the scenario of a traffic stop in ( say ) rural Montana ...

Or am I completely off my rocker for even thinking about this ?

P.S. I'm not in the slightest trying to put down the US with this post , nor am I trying to deflect attention from any of the ongoing threads concerning police brutality over there , and I sincerely apologize if this post comes off like that .


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Unorthodox
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:38 pm 
 

Khan Vozdig wrote:
Or am I completely off my rocker for even thinking about this ?


Not even remotely, you aren't from here, and with everything on the news lately I get why you'd ask this.

Anyone not white or Chinese/Japanese/south korean/etc should probably worry about the police here to some extent. If you're black, there's always a chance of being harassed. If you look Hispanic and are pulled over on the highway (especially in remote areas between states, like if you were to drive straight from Colorado to California as I have done many times), you could get pulled over and harassed. Are you at airport security and happen to be middle eastern? TSA might be a bunch of dicks to you.

Khan Vozdig wrote:
What especially interests me is the issue of drinking in public and knife carry , since the latter seems to be more loosely regulated in many parts of the States , while the opposite seems to apply to the former


My friend carries a small pocket knife ever since he got assaulted by a homeless dude. He's had no problems, and we live in a pretty liberal area. So, I'd say as long as the blade isn't really big or anything, you'd probably be fine. As for drinking in public, yeah- you can't drink in the streets usually, only in restaurants/bars/etc. That said, there's always the exception to that rule, like tailgating at football games or even some parades. It's just a general rule that, if you're on the sidewalk, don't have an alcoholic drink. Pretty dumb, but whatever.

Khan Vozdig wrote:
Also would many cops think I was mocking them based on my accent ?

No, probably not.


All this said, I would also be as equally worried about the public as I would police officers. I've had a few friends get in serious conflicts with racist scum in the streets that would call them "sand n******" in very public places. One even got in a full blown fist fight after being called a terrorist and getting attacked (he's Afghan).

Also, and I cannot understate this- the west is generally a far more progressive and open minded place than the east and especially more than the southeast, at least in my experience. If you go to California, especially the cities, or Seattle Washington, you'll probably have close to no issues.
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LithoJazzoSphere
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:08 pm 
 

Keep in mind that media outlets carefully curate their content so that you only see what they want you to see, which is often tailored to suit a particular agenda and not necessarily for truth or accuracy. They seek clicks, sensationalism, and narrative, not necessarily statistics or reality. And increasingly over the past decade, the widespread use of cell phone cameras and omnipresence of social media can amplify and distort everything, so that things look much worse than they actually are, even if in reality things could be the best they've ever been on average.

That said, it's always risky, and policing here definitely needs serious reform. Even as a well-behaving white guy I've had an unpleasant encounter with the police over a minor issue, so no one is truly safe. Police are not well trained enough, and law enforcement attracts a certain number of people who are prone to abusing their power. Most of them aren't an issue, but there are enough corrupt ones that we need better safeguards than we currently have.

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Methuen
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:04 pm 
 

After being stopped at every point trying to go anywhere in the US (airports, car hire, hotels, you name it - there's a form and a little Prussian admiral-type waiting to ensure you fill it out), the main thing you're going to want as a foreigner is patience. Bags of it. They treat people like filth, but so long as you just nod, smile, and go along with their insanity you seemingly can't go too far wrong as a tourist. Though one thing - keep an official foreign-issued ID on you. Not your passport, in-case they steal that from you. That has been reported as happening to folks. You should be able to instantly show 'I'm a tourist from x, not a local that you can throw into a hole without ending up in the newspapers'.

The airport staff are double bastards. Part of their training must be to try to wind up travellers. I didn't even know you could get stopped once you'd passed the passport/security desks, but the US have invented a whole different security service to give you a form to fill out, rifle your baggage, and generally irritate you.

Patience, lots and lots and lots of patience.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:28 pm 
 

If you aren't visibly a racial/ethnic minority or visibly queer, you probably won't get extra scrutiny unless the cops are already talking to you. At that point, al bets are off, and caution should be your watchword. The police here are essentially unaccountable, and many absolutely will use that lack of accountability to harass anyone they come in contact with.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:24 pm 
 

Both drinking in public and carrying a knife around are illegal in a lot of places in the states. You should look into the state and local laws of wherever you plan on going to see what the relevant rules are. Some places enforce these things more than others. In general a knife in your pocket is ok but it's not ok flashing it around. Being tipsy walking down the street is ok but openly carrying an open bottle of liquor is not. And yeah, if you don't "look white" to whatever cops come across you your chances of being hassled on real or phony pretexts goes up up up.

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Khan Vozdig
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:18 pm 
 

Thanks for the answers guys !


Since I'm on the general subject , do any bars in the rural American West still refuse to serve alcohol to Native American looking individuals ?

Or is that a totally bygone custom ?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:54 pm 
 

I dunno, I'd like to visit Hungary again and my main priority is carrying the biggest possible knife and getting drunk as fuck, do you think everyone will be okay with that?
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Khan Vozdig
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:21 pm 
 

droneriot wrote:
I dunno, I'd like to visit Hungary again and my main priority is carrying the biggest possible knife and getting drunk as fuck, do you think everyone will be okay with that?



Unfortunately there is a law here that prohibits the carry of a knife which has a blade length/cutting edge exceeding 8 centimetres in public , so that part of your goal will have to be limited to private property ...

OTOH being drunk in public still isn't that much of an issue here as long as you don't cause trouble , though some settlements have allegedly been enforcing open container laws more strictly as of late .

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:27 pm 
 

Simply said, anything that survives Orban laws will survive laws anywhere else. Any country you go other than North Korea will have more freedom than your own.

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Khan Vozdig
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:35 pm 
 

droneriot wrote:
Simply said, anything that survives Orban laws will survive laws anywhere else. Any country you go other than North Korea will have more freedom than your own.



Lol I'm no fan of Orbán myself , but I think it's safe to say that there are plenty of other countries besides North Korea that have less freedom than Hungary ...

As for the issue of freedom as such , it all depends on which particular issue is at hand ...

I mean correct me if I'm wrong , but over in your neck of the woods authorities seem to take the issue of torrenting much more seriously than over here , while over here the issue of marijuana possession is taken much more seriously than in Germany ...

Granted this is an off topic tangent , but comparing the state of freedom between countries in the so called developed world is a rather tricky subject IMHO .

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:53 am 
 

Oh I wish it was the authorities, but for some bizarre reason the persecution of many crimes has been outsourced to private businesses here who can rip you off at will and there's nothing you can do about it, American style. Violates our constitution but who cares about that, most of our laws do. Filesharing you won't hear anything from the cops but from a guy who studied law and at age 29 already has three villas and a private jet.
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Khan Vozdig
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:12 am 
 

droneriot wrote:
Oh I wish it was the authorities, but for some bizarre reason the persecution of many crimes has been outsourced to private businesses here who can rip you off at will and there's nothing you can do about it, American style. Violates our constitution but who cares about that, most of our laws do. Filesharing you won't hear anything from the cops but from a guy who studied law and at age 29 already has three villas and a private jet.


That's interesting ...

All that said ( and I don't mean to be rude ) , I think we should continue this conversation on another thread ( perhaps the Free For All ) since it's rather off topic ...

Only if you wish to of course , since I don't have much to add .

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