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Would you guys suggest watching the original Alien movie? I've played Alien: Isolation, so that got me a little interested in the franchise.
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Absolutely. If you liked Alien: Isolation there's absolutely no reason why you shouldn't enjoy Alien, unless you find it hard to get invested in movies and its atmosphere of course. It's one of those games that really captures the essence and feeling of the source material.

Movie is a 10/10 and the game is a 9/10. Aliens is superb too, but that's something completely different than Alien and Alien: Isolation.

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There aren't many questions I think of as "stupid," but the xenomorph tattoo on my arm says "that is a stupid question."

You're about to realize how many movies (and video games) ripped off the Alien aesthetic, either partially or wholesale.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 2:27 pm 
 

I'm not sure if it's technically a "horror" movie, but I really love "American Psycho"

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I'd say so, yes, but also a bit of a comedy, given all the absurdity and black humour.
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I never thought either that or Silence of the Lambs was horror - American Psycho, while it has some tropes and stuff, ultimately the content just seems too different from horror to me. More of a social satire. But maybe this is not a universal opinion.
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Empyreal wrote:
I never thought either that or Silence of the Lambs was horror - American Psycho, while it has some tropes and stuff, ultimately the content just seems too different from horror to me. More of a social satire. But maybe this is not a universal opinion.

I agree with you, those mentioned are both more on the suspense/thriller than actual horror. Same with some others, like Get Out and Funny Games.

I don't know, I like 'em all but just like types of metal get broken into genre's, I think the same goes with scary movies.

I remember, as a teen watching Nightmare on Elm Street, tripping on acid and laughing my ass off throughout the entire movie. It's considered a horror movie but it was more of a comedy to me, kind of like Return of the Living Dead and so on in those types of movies.

Definitely recommend Alien though, great movie, a bit slow paced but once it gets going, you will be glued to your seat.

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Get Out and ANOES I would say are definitely horror. I mean most things won't scare you if you're old enough to understand the world, but for me it's just about what the movie's story and flow are like and what it's trying to do.
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Empyreal wrote:
Get Out and ANOES I would say are definitely horror. I mean most things won't scare you if you're old enough to understand the world, but for me it's just about what the movie's story and flow are like and what it's trying to do.


Have you seen "US"?

IMO it's just as if not better than Get Out. Absolutely amazing. Everything Jordan Peele does is great.

Speaking of him and horror, I can't wait to see his interpretation of Candy Man, which was already always a horror movie I loved, but with his spin on it it looks like it could end up being even better than the original.

Also, what does "ANOES" stand for?

I'm not sure if i've seen it.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:33 pm 
 

Ill-Starred Son wrote:
Empyreal wrote:

Also, what does "ANOES" stand for?

I'm not sure if i've seen it.

A Nightmare on Elm Street... The original, not the remake.

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Ill-Starred Son wrote:
Empyreal wrote:
Get Out and ANOES I would say are definitely horror. I mean most things won't scare you if you're old enough to understand the world, but for me it's just about what the movie's story and flow are like and what it's trying to do.


Have you seen "US"?

IMO it's just as if not better than Get Out. Absolutely amazing. Everything Jordan Peele does is great.

Speaking of him and horror, I can't wait to see his interpretation of Candy Man, which was already always a horror movie I loved, but with his spin on it it looks like it could end up being even better than the original.

Also, what does "ANOES" stand for?

I'm not sure if i've seen it.


US is one of my top 5 movies in general of the last few years.

Peele didn't direct that Candyman - he was involved but it's not really the same as what he actually writes and directs really.
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The new Candyman is pretty great and superior thematically, but the 1992 original is still the overall better film.
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Zelkiiro wrote:
The new Candyman is pretty great and superior thematically, but the 1992 original is still the overall better film.

So, which would you watch first? I'm a longtime Clive Barker reader and I watched some of the movie adaptations, but they never did the justice. Barker is another writer that is hard to transfer to film. Anyways, I never bothered with Candyman, because I thought it was another Scream POS teenage movie.

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Definitely watch 1992 first, since 2021 makes reference to it, being a sort of soft sequel.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 10:13 pm 
 

oldmetalhead wrote:
Ill-Starred Son wrote:
Empyreal wrote:

Also, what does "ANOES" stand for?

I'm not sure if i've seen it.

A Nightmare on Elm Street... The original, not the remake.


Oh, of course.

I'm a big fan of the originals.

The remake was ok but not as good IMO.

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oldmetalhead wrote:
Zelkiiro wrote:
The new Candyman is pretty great and superior thematically, but the 1992 original is still the overall better film.

So, which would you watch first? I'm a longtime Clive Barker reader and I watched some of the movie adaptations, but they never did the justice. Barker is another writer that is hard to transfer to film. Anyways, I never bothered with Candyman, because I thought it was another Scream POS teenage movie.


Naw man, Candyman came out long before all those Scream type movies and it's not the least bit like any of those.

It's closer to a Hellraiser type movie IMO honestly.

I never liked any of the Scream movies and I'm not sure what would make you think Candyman is like that, but it's not, it's a legit horror movie and not dumb like those.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 10:18 pm 
 

Suspiria (1977) and The Shining are two movies I watch every Halloween along with, naturally, the first Halloween.

I love 70s-80s horror movies a lot, particularly italian stuff.

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Ill-Starred Son wrote:
oldmetalhead wrote:
Zelkiiro wrote:
The new Candyman is pretty great and superior thematically, but the 1992 original is still the overall better film.

So, which would you watch first? I'm a longtime Clive Barker reader and I watched some of the movie adaptations, but they never did the justice. Barker is another writer that is hard to transfer to film. Anyways, I never bothered with Candyman, because I thought it was another Scream POS teenage movie.


Naw man, Candyman came out long before all those Scream type movies and it's not the least bit like any of those.

It's closer to a Hellraiser type movie IMO honestly.

I never liked any of the Scream movies and I'm not sure what would make you think Candyman is like that, but it's not, it's a legit horror movie and not dumb like those.
The commercials, it was heavily hyped, which tends to make me less interested. Also, as said before, most of Clive Barker's work has been not translated well to film. Definitely going to check it out though.

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[/quote] The commercials, it was heavily hyped, which tends to make me less interested. Also, as said before, most of Clive Barker's work has been not translated well to film. Definitely going to check it out though.[/quote]



Yeah, I kind of feel like that period of the Scream movies was later. I don't know if that style of movie was happening in the early 90s when Candyman came out. Maybe it was.

I only know Clive Barker from his movies as I've never read his books, but I like the Hellraiser movies, so I've only known him that way and liked his stuff."

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VaderCrush wrote:
Suspiria (1977) and The Shining are two movies I watch every Halloween along with, naturally, the first Halloween.

I love 70s-80s horror movies a lot, particularly italian stuff.


Suspiria (the Original, though the new one is also good but not as good) is my all time favorite horror movie.

I'm completely obsessed with Italian Giallo movies and have been studying them for the past year and seen almost 100 of them and lots of great ones, especially those by Argento, both Bavas, Fulci, Martino, etc.

If you know about Giallo films then you know that Suspiria isn't typical of them, but still, there are so many excellent films in the genre.

What other films of that era do you like?

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The newer Suspiria movie has Thom Yorke though... anything with my boy Thom is a win for me.
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Ill-Starred Son wrote:
VaderCrush wrote:
Suspiria (1977) and The Shining are two movies I watch every Halloween along with, naturally, the first Halloween.

I love 70s-80s horror movies a lot, particularly italian stuff.


Suspiria (the Original, though the new one is also good but not as good) is my all time favorite horror movie.

I'm completely obsessed with Italian Giallo movies and have been studying them for the past year and seen almost 100 of them and lots of great ones, especially those by Argento, both Bavas, Fulci, Martino, etc.

If you know about Giallo films then you know that Suspiria isn't typical of them, but still, there are so many excellent films in the genre.

What other films of that era do you like?


Of the directors you mentioned, you summed up a lot of my interests lol.

Argento is my favorite horror director. That might be a standard pick but Suspiria, Inferno, Deep Red and Tenebrae are all 10/10s for me. Suspiria in particular is my favorite horror movie too.

I like a lot of Mario Bava's 60s output. A lot of 60s horror doesn't mesh with my taste but Kill Baby Kill and Blood and Black Lace transcend that entirely. I'm less familiar with Lamberto outside of Demons, but that's a hilariously gross and fun film.

Fulci is very hit or miss for me and I have to be in a certain mood for his movies. The Beyond is cool and I have a soft spot for Aenigma though I think that's considered one of his lesser films.

A few others off the top of my head from that era that I try to revisit now and then

Stage Fright
The Church
The House With the Laughing Windows
The Last Shark
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VaderCrush wrote:
Ill-Starred Son wrote:
VaderCrush wrote:
Suspiria (1977) and The Shining are two movies I watch every Halloween along with, naturally, the first Halloween.

I love 70s-80s horror movies a lot, particularly italian stuff.


Suspiria (the Original, though the new one is also good but not as good) is my all time favorite horror movie.

I'm completely obsessed with Italian Giallo movies and have been studying them for the past year and seen almost 100 of them and lots of great ones, especially those by Argento, both Bavas, Fulci, Martino, etc.

If you know about Giallo films then you know that Suspiria isn't typical of them, but still, there are so many excellent films in the genre.

What other films of that era do you like?


Of the directors you mentioned, you summed up a lot of my interests lol.

Argento is my favorite horror director. That might be a standard pick but Suspiria, Inferno, Deep Red and Tenebrae are all 10/10s for me. Suspiria in particular is my favorite horror movie too.

I like a lot of Mario Bava's 60s output. A lot of 60s horror doesn't mesh with my taste but Kill Baby Kill and Blood and Black Lace transcend that entirely. I'm less familiar with Lamberto outside of Demons, but that's a hilariously gross and fun film.

Fulci is very hit or miss for me and I have to be in a certain mood for his movies. The Beyond is cool and I have a soft spot for Aenigma though I think that's considered one of his lesser films.

A few others off the top of my head from that era that I try to revisit now and then

Stage Fright
The Church
The House With the Laughing Windows
The Last Shark
Zeder
Nightmare Beach



Ok, now I think we are going to end up having a lot to talk about because I'm so totally obsessed with these movies too and yes, you mentioned some of my absolute favorites as far as Suspiria, Deep Red, Inferno, Tenebrae, also Phenomenon, and I loved Stage Fright, The Church and the House with the Laughing Windows.

I've never seen the Last Shark, Zeder or Nightmare Beach.

I also love Fulci but he's not hit or miss for me, he's just hit after hit lol.


These are mostly Gialli and not as many other Italian style horror movies that I love:


A Lizard in a Woman's Skin--Fulci
Short Night of the Glass Dolls--Aldo Lado
The Perfume of the Lady in Black--Barilli
Torso--Martino
All the Colors of the Dark-Martino
The Night Child/The Cursed Medallion-Dallamano
The New York Ripper-Fulci
Psychic--Fulci
Four Flies on Grey Velvet-Argento
Opera--Argento
The House by the Cemetary--Fulci
Bay of Blood--Mario Bava
Shock--Mario Bava
A Blade in the Dark--Lamberto Bava
City of the Living Dead-Fulci
Never Torture a Duckling--Fulci
The Red Queen Kills Seven Times--Miraglia
Autopsy--Armando Crispino
The Case of the Bloody Iris--Giuliano Carnimeo
Beyond the Darkness--Joe D'amato
Horrible/Absurd--D'amato
Anthropophagus--D'amato
Seven Blood Stained Orchids--Umberto Lenzi
The Killer Nun--Giulio Berruti
Don't Look Now--Nocolas Roeg (not Italian but it counts IMO)
Francesca--Luciano & Nicolas Onetti
Abrakadabra--Luciano & Nicolas Onetti
Blind Date--Nico Mastorakis
The Eyes of Laura Mars--Irvin Kershner


These are a lot of my favorites off a really long list I've got. I'm trying to see basically almost every Giallo and Italian style horror movie in existence which isn't possible but I'm having fun anyway lol.


Are there any of the above you haven't seen?

Out of these, a few of the lesser talked about ones I'd STRONGLY recommend are: Short Night of the Glass Dolls, Perfume of the Lady in Black, Autopsy, The Night Child/The Cursed Medallion, and The Eyes of Laura Mars.

A lot of the others are talked about more often, but those don't get mentioned as much and are just excellent.

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'The Thing' (1982)

It does a great job of making you feel helpless and paranoid along with the characters. It keeps you guessing throughout most of the film and has one of the best scenes of all time in it, for what my opinion is worth. Also the set design is good and the special effects are almost unmatched, especially considering that this film is 36 years old. A true classic in every sense of the word.

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EvergreenSherbert wrote:
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Nice lists of horror movies posted on this thread so far. What about Asian horror films? Stuff like 'Audition' and 'Ring'? I especially like the latter. I saw it at the cinema and damn, that crawling out of the TV scene was creepy as hell! I didn't like the US version as much though.

What does everyone think of 'Green Room'? It's touted as one of the better horror movies this past decade. But to me, it's more of a suspense-thriller, not that it would diminish how good the movie is. To me a horror movie deals with the unknown, not necessarily the supernatural, more than real-life terrors like a bunch of neo Nazis wanting to kill you. And Green Room has a nice soundtrack with hardcore, punk and death metal bands in it. Not sure if it was officially released.

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There was a movie reviewer for 411movies that exclusively wrote on horror movies (Joseph Lee, maybe?), and he gave the best distinction between horror and thrillers that I've read:
"Thriller movies are just horror films that want an Oscar nod."

While I don't agree with it entirely, the point being made is really true. I find the line to be more about execution than content matter, with horror focused on the anticipation of the shock and terror (the "dread," if you will) and thrillers focused on the roller coaster ride (the "thrill," of course).

Green Room rides that line for me. On the one hand, the premise is full of horror, with an ever-growing army of ruthless people who want you fucking dead coming for you in their home, but the execution is much more about the thrill of the band members trying to escape or fight back.

Either way, great movie. Anton Yelchin was taken too soon, and it's one of the best Patrick Stewart roles of his career.
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Jack Nicholson made the "Shining" film absolutely classic and essential. One of the best horror films ever made, and completely lacking in the cheezy schlock that seems to ruin most generic horror films for me. "Jacob's Ladder" mentioned above, is a really cool film with a really trippy sci-fi premise, which I enjoyed; it's not like the generic "horror movie with the indestructible villain that can't be killed" kind of thing like so many others.

I remember digging the low-budget, shaky camera, Do it yourself approach to the 1998 "Blair Witch" movie, but that one is definitely an acquired taste. It was definitely creepy though.

I never really got into the mainstream franchise movies like the various "Nightmare on Elm Street" series. They were entertaining, but that was about it.

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acid_bukkake wrote:
There was a movie reviewer for 411movies that exclusively wrote on horror movies (Joseph Lee, maybe?), and he gave the best distinction between horror and thrillers that I've read:
"Thriller movies are just horror films that want an Oscar nod."

Not necessarily. I don't think anyone would ever call movies like The Firm or Fatal Attraction "horror."
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I already mentioned this in the main movie thread, but I watched Alien a couple days ago. I easily found it pirated on the internet, and ended up watching it somewhere between midnight and 1 in the morning. It was the director's cut, but I'm not sure what the difference is. I don't think Alien is regarded as a proper horror movie, but it's the closest thing to the horror I've ever watched besides A Quiet Place. It had some nice scares, my favorite one was the jumpscare in the vent scene with Dallas.

I also gotta mention how cool the practical effects are in Alien. Pretty much everything looks real, including the alien itself. Modern CGI can do crazy things, but nothing beats real models.
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Alien is absolutely a proper horror movie, often described as "a haunted house in space." That the nature of the xenomorph also deals with some very real base fears of a sexual nature (adding to it being an easy read using feminist theory) has kept it relevant ever since, and the series proper deals not only with this but also the growing corporatization and dehumanizing nature thereof.

The rest of the series goes further into action, starting with Aliens, but the underlying horror always remains.
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acid_bukkake wrote:
Alien is absolutely a proper horror movie, often described as "a haunted house in space." That the nature of the xenomorph also deals with some very real base fears of a sexual nature (adding to it being an easy read using feminist theory) has kept it relevant ever since, and the series proper deals not only with this but also the growing corporatization and dehumanizing nature thereof.

The rest of the series goes further into action, starting with Aliens, but the underlying horror always remains.
Oh yeah; I mean, even after taking its Science-Fiction setting into account, the tone of the original Alien is still 100% Horror even before anything truly scary happens, like the way that the cooling fans in the "Mother" room make it sound like the computer itself is breathing on Captain Dallas, Michael Meyers-style:
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And the claustrophobic sets. And how the geography of the ship is labyrinthine in design and execution, never once letting the viewer understand just how close or far away any other room truly is. And how each new reveal of the xenomorph's biology adds a new way for it to kill you. And the subtle hints as to Ash's real purpose as the new science officer. And the amazing score by Jerry Goldsmith amplifying each moment. And how the opening 20th Century Fox music holds onto a sour note for just too long.

If you ever needed a reason why people loved Ridley Scott for so long, and why Prometheus and Covenant were considered such abject failures of cinema, then Alien is it.
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I think the horror elements just might have been less effective for me, cause I was already aware of most of what goes on in the movie. I had already seen the chestburster scene, and the facehugger scenes, and I deduced pretty early that Ash is an android. It also didn't help that I had already played the game Alien: Isolation, which revealed a lot of the elements and plot points of the original movie.

I have absolutely no idea what goes on in the first sequel, so it might be a more fresh experience if I watch that one.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:41 pm 
 

Just...go watch it. Now. It's less horror and more action, but there is plenty of spooky dread building in the first half.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2021 5:04 am 
 

Candyman (original)
Hellraiser
The Shining

I highly recommend "mother!". It's the only time I can remember feeling disturbed by a movie since I entered adulthood. I also really like A Dark Song... not particularly scary, but it has a cool atmosphere.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2021 2:48 pm 
 

nvamoni wrote:
'The Thing' (1982)

It does a great job of making you feel helpless and paranoid along with the characters. It keeps you guessing throughout most of the film and has one of the best scenes of all time in it, for what my opinion is worth. Also the set design is good and the special effects are almost unmatched, especially considering that this film is 36 years old. A true classic in every sense of the word.


This, absolutely. I can't think of a better horror film that gets so much out of every aspect of the production. The acting is tremendous, the effects are stunning, the writing is amazing and the cinematography is highly underrated. Great to watch at this time of the year.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 31, 2021 12:40 pm 
 

A lot of classic movies and french extremism.

Alien, Hellraiser, The Exorcists, Martyrs, The Fly, Cape Fear, Dracula (1992), Trouble Every Day (2001), The Blair Witch Project, Antichrist (2009), Irréversible (2002), Hobo with a Shotgun, A Tale of Two Sisters (2003), The Thing (Both versions), À l'intérieur (2007), Beyond the Black Rainbow, In their sleep (2010), Slither (2006), The Cabin in the Woods, The Ring, Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me, Phenomena (1985), Videodrome, They Live, Scanners, Baby Shower (2011), Species, Dans ma peau (2002), Srpski film (2010), Under the Skin, Sinister, Housebound (2014) ...
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 31, 2021 1:48 pm 
 

TheEtreum wrote:
, The Fly, .

I'm assuming you mean the Cronenberg version but the original is good too, with a horrifying ending. Freaked me out when I saw it as a kid.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 31, 2021 3:13 pm 
 

oldmetalhead wrote:
TheEtreum wrote:
, The Fly, .

I'm assuming you mean the Cronenberg version but the original is good too, with a horrifying ending. Freaked me out when I saw it as a kid.


Sadly I have not seen it. Thanks for reminding me!

Edit: I watched it. Great movie indeed! Although I had read the book before, and this first version is more literal, so the end not freaked me out. I always had overlooked this version. The effects are very good for the epoch.
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