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Slater922
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2021 9:43 am 
 

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The most insane part about ambulance bills is that they still charge you personally for the ambulance ride even if you weren't the one that called 911. Imagine you got into a car accident and were horribly mangled. You're incapacitated and unable to do anything in that state, let alone pick up a phone and call someone. A bystander calls 911, the ambulance comes, and you get transported to the hospital. Even though nothing about that situation was by your own hand, you are still gonna be the one getting a bill for it. It's an often overlooked element of the complete fucking nightmare that is American health insurance.

And just to add to that nightmare for our friends in single payer countries, an insurance company can deem your ambulance ride here to be "medically unnecessary", thus making your ambulance ride not covered by insurance, and even if it is covered by your insurance, it can be only partially covered.

I guess we would need to have another reform in who pays the ambulance bills and how they should be paid. The people who didn't directly call 911 shouldn't be the ones to pay, and insurances should completely cover ambulance bills.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2021 9:56 am 
 

Insurance companies don't agree with that.

Insurance companies are pretty in your face about how they want you to pay them monthly for zero services and if you use their service they're gonna penalize you by taking more money.

It's completely fucked.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 8:07 pm 
 

The House just voted to remove Taylor Greene from committee assignments: https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/04/politics ... index.html

About time if you ask me. I'm still not sure why Georgia chose this woman to be part of the House.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 8:30 pm 
 

Purely symbolic act. She was elected to shitpost IRL (and online), and that's all she was ever going to do.

However, this is NOT just a symbolic act:
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/02/04/bid ... yemen.html
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 8:39 pm 
 

Trust-but-verify. That little caveat about "offensive operations" is a loophole you could fly a B-52 through, were you so inclined.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 11:03 pm 
 

Slater922 wrote:
The House just voted to remove Taylor Greene from committee assignments: https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/04/politics ... index.html

About time if you ask me. I'm still not sure why Georgia chose this woman to be part of the House.


She ran unopposed after her opponent was forced to leave town due to harassment/death threats.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 12:39 am 
 

Sedition and Pockets wrote:
Trust-but-verify. That little caveat about "offensive operations" is a loophole you could fly a B-52 through, were you so inclined.

The most visible win is that Yemen has re-entered the media circuit as opposed to mediaites just shooting squid ink out their assholes and blotting out the other things that were happening, whenever President Dumbshit said something insane, which was 100% of the time.

And while I don't think this administration will go far enough with SA, there will absolutely be less Yemeni civilian bloodshed than there would've been under Trump, who seemingly made it his life goal to load up the Saudis with enough firepower to blow a Texas-sized crater in the moon.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 1:01 am 
 

Right now, the Biden admin is only "pausing" weapons deliveries to Saudi and UAE for further examination, which is a typical step after a change of administrations. My guess is you'll see some throttling back of new deliveries of munitions but in the end the big ticket systems like the F-35 will still be transferred.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:42 am 
 

Sedition and Pockets wrote:
My guess is you'll see some throttling back of new deliveries of munitions but in the end the big ticket systems like the F-35 will still still be transferred.


Seems a solid bet, given how much money is at stake =\
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:02 am 
 

Oblarg wrote:
Sedition and Pockets wrote:
My guess is you'll see some throttling back of new deliveries of munitions but in the end the big ticket systems like the F-35 will still still be transferred.


Seems a solid bet, given how much money is at stake =\


I have something of a ground level view that makes this more than a shot-in-the-dark guess. I am involved in an ongoing local struggle against a new Pratt and Whitney (Raytheon subsidiary) production facility that will be making fan blades for the F-35. P&W already has adequate production capacity to meet the demand for its domestic contracts, and this facility only makes sense for meeting contracts for foreign orders, and those orders are coming primarily in the Middle East (Israel, Saudi, and UAE). They went ahead with the project and announced it to the public in late October, although the negotiations for an "economic incentive package" (bribe) from the county government went back more than a year before that. Still, by the time the project was announced, it was pretty clear that a Biden administration was the overwhelming likelihood coming out of the 2020 elections. There is zero chance they would have gone ahead with what is about $850 million initial investment if it was believed that major parts of those foreign deliveries were going to be cut by the incoming administration.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 12:37 pm 
 

Sedition and Pockets wrote:
I have something of a ground level view that makes this more than a shot-in-the-dark guess. I am involved in an ongoing local struggle against a new Pratt and Whitney (Raytheon subsidiary) production facility that will be making fan blades for the F-35. P&W already has adequate production capacity to meet the demand for its domestic contracts, and this facility only makes sense for meeting contracts for foreign orders, and those orders are coming primarily in the Middle East (Israel, Saudi, and UAE). They went ahead with the project and announced it to the public in late October, although the negotiations for an "economic incentive package" (bribe) from the county government went back more than a year before that. Still, by the time the project was announced, it was pretty clear that a Biden administration was the overwhelming likelihood coming out of the 2020 elections. There is zero chance they would have gone ahead with what is about $850 million initial investment if it was believed that major parts of those foreign deliveries were going to be cut by the incoming administration.


Keystone XL Pipeline says hi.
On a serious note though, I do agree these weapons sales will proceed. There’s not much in the USA that has bi-partisan support, but the international war machine is one of them.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 1:05 pm 
 

severzhavnost wrote:
On a serious note though, I do agree these weapons sales will proceed. There’s not much in the USA that has bi-partisan support, but the international war machine is one of them.


There's also the zero-sum jobs game; if Lockheed or whoever doesn't sell them fighter jets, then UAC, Dassault, Saab, or some Chinese firm will. Simple economic & political reality factors massively into these decisions; do you want an unemployed factory town, with all of the problems that entails, or an employed one on good wages ? Do you want the headline "Democrat restricts arms sales, Russia / China profits" to come back around to get you next election cycle ?

It's not the greatest situation to be in, but since people are in it, there's more to it than 'guns = bad', at least for those with a stake in the situation (ie: the workers).

Case study -

Britain went through this process already; we closed the ordnance & small arms factories, most of our shipyards, just about all of our aircraft industry. Those suddenly unemployed working class folks didn't and don't appreciate the situation one bit, of course, and so vote for people like Nigel Farage.

Britain of course still uses the products of all of those kinds of firms, so now we import rifle ammunition from India and the EU, buy naval ships from Korea, and buy aircraft from Boeing and Airbus. The government won't replace our tanks because the firm/factory was sold off and it'd be a political embarrassment to buy them from Germany or the US. Assorted middle class lefties get to feel righteous about all of the closed arms factories, shipyards, and so on, but oddly enough the stuff still gets built - It's just that someone else gets paid. Britain has a growing permanently unemployed segment of society - BAE keeps closing factories making bits for jets & so on as orders dry up, and people switch to American or EU products that will have long-term support.

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Sedition and Pockets
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 1:11 pm 
 

severzhavnost wrote:
Sedition and Pockets wrote:
I have something of a ground level view that makes this more than a shot-in-the-dark guess. I am involved in an ongoing local struggle against a new Pratt and Whitney (Raytheon subsidiary) production facility that will be making fan blades for the F-35. P&W already has adequate production capacity to meet the demand for its domestic contracts, and this facility only makes sense for meeting contracts for foreign orders, and those orders are coming primarily in the Middle East (Israel, Saudi, and UAE). They went ahead with the project and announced it to the public in late October, although the negotiations for an "economic incentive package" (bribe) from the county government went back more than a year before that. Still, by the time the project was announced, it was pretty clear that a Biden administration was the overwhelming likelihood coming out of the 2020 elections. There is zero chance they would have gone ahead with what is about $850 million initial investment if it was believed that major parts of those foreign deliveries were going to be cut by the incoming administration.


Keystone XL Pipeline says hi.


Keystone XL came off the table because oil prices do not justify the resource outlay and because it is simply too big of a political albatross at this point for the Democratic Party. Not at all comparable projects.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:38 pm 
 

Methuen, I don’t want to see factory towns have their jobs wiped out. I just wish we could do more business with allies who are not awful regimes in the Middle East.
S&P, the political considerations far outweigh any other factors in the cancellation of Keystone XL. Oil projects and arms deals are absolutely comparable, in that they both on the surface have well-defined camps if supporters and opponents; but companies behind them tend to press on knowing that they will probably find a way to squeeze through.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:31 pm 
 

The Senate voted that impeaching someone who isn't in office anymore is constitutional, meaning that Trump impeachment trial can go forward. https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/09/politics ... index.html

I'd say that's a good thing, since that shows politicians that just because you're out of office doesn't mean you got away with being held accountable for horrible stuff. I'd say that if we continue to get Republican Senators to oppose Trump, then it's only a matter of time before he's banned from running officer for the rest of his life.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:23 pm 
 

Nevermind


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:28 pm 
 

I doubt more than five Republican Senators has any interest in voting to convict Trump, which would be the necessary prerequisite to barring him from office. Cassidy voting to support this particular motion was a surprise but even that doesn't necessarily mean he's gonna vote to convict, although considering he's fresh off reelection and doesn't have to face the voters for nearly six years (if he even decides to run for a third term) I guess he's got less to lose than most. But there's no evidence that anywhere near enough Republican Senators are willing to convict. Maybe if a few more Republicans had voted against Rand Paul's motion last week, it would have been a signal that the Democrats might, just might be able to finagle the seventeen votes they need from the GOP. If, say, John Thune or some other member of Senate GOP leadership had voted against it. But that didn't happen.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:10 pm 
 

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I doubt more than five Republican Senators has any interest in voting to convict Trump, which would be the necessary prerequisite to barring him from office.

Wait, what? Did a judge rule the 14th amendment couldn't be activated in this way when I wasn't looking?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:17 pm 
 

You're right, I was thinking mainly of the post-conviction barring from office, not the 14th Amendment.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:37 pm 
 

To their credit, the dems are doing a good job with the prosecution. While I obviously thought Trump was guilty with the perfect phone call, they kinda fumbled the ball with the trial.

Not that it will make any real difference. Not since pre-civil rights would a jury this rigged be allowed to make a ruling.
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darkeningday wrote:
To their credit, the dems are doing a good job with the prosecution. While I obviously thought Trump was guilty with the perfect phone call, they kinda fumbled the ball with the trial.

Not that it will make any real difference. Not since pre-civil rights would a jury this rigged be allowed to make a ruling.


Funny comment I saw on Reddit (paraphrased): The defense could spend all their time singing songs from Bubble Guppies and the GOP would still choose not to convinct Trump.

...

But I think this strategy of "let's not give a shit to defense because he won't be convicted no matter what" could ultimately backfire. Maybe I haven't learned anything from the past four years, but I feel like the botching of the defense and the strong arguments on the prosecution may open some eyes. I know some really harcore fanatics have admitted the defense was terrible.

Of course, for them, it's ALL PART OF THE PLAN!!!! But when even the biggest fanatics admit the defense sucks, well at least it's a step forward. Let's just hope they don't take two step backs.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:32 pm 
 

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Here’s a troubling development: A survey released Thursday by the conservative American Enterprise Institute (AEI) found that the vast majority of Republicans not only don’t think Joe Biden was legitimately elected, nearly 40 percent of them think political violence is justifiable and could be necessary. Those GOP respondents justifying violence said they agreed with the statement: “If elected leaders will not protect America, the people must do it themselves, even if it requires violent actions.”


https://slate.com/news-and-politics/202 ... lence.html

Progressive folks, this is a reality we have to face squarely and honestly. However we act, whatever methods we employ, if we stand up and fight back for a better world, for liberation and justice for all, we will be met by violence. We will be met with state violence in the first place (as anyone who participated in last summer's historic revolt against racism got to experience firsthand), and, where that fails, we will face the violence of the large and increasingly organized fascist movement coalescing around the Republican party and other right wing parties around the globe. It is a grave mistake to view the violence we've recently witnessed as some sort of aberration, and an even graver mistake if we believe there is some sort of violent genie we can stuff back in its bottle if we're just peaceful enough. It is time and long past time that we as progressives have the hard conversations and start planning how we are going to meet that violence, how we can respond to violence, and how we will overcome that violence, because it is coming and, indeed, is already here.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:59 pm 
 

I've got to say, this one did surprise me - given that US anti-vaccine types are generally caricatured as fat rural shotgun-toting types, I wasn't expecting Mr Kennedy with his quasi-NGO.

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Kennedy’s contentious relationship with Facebook began well before the pandemic, however. He and his anti-vaccine organizations—Children’s Health Defense and the World Mercury Project—were leading forces behind the misinformation campaigns fueling the resurgence of measles worldwide in recent years.

For instance, at the end of 2019, the government of Samoa was forced to shut down to deal with an explosive measles outbreak. The deadly surge of disease came after Kennedy’s organization spent months fear-mongering over vaccine safety and spreading falsehoods about an incident that led to the tragic deaths of two Samoan infants. An investigation determined that the babies were given lethal doses of muscle relaxant by negligent nurses who intended to immunize them. The nurses were each convicted and sentenced to five years in prison. Of course, none of that information was shared by Kennedy’s organizations.

Just a month before the outbreak exploded in Samoa, a study appearing in the journal Vaccine found that Kennedy’s World Mercury Project was the single largest source of anti-vaccine advertisements on Facebook.


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He's been beating the antivaxx drum for literally decades. He probably did more to promote vaccine denialism than any other American since the late 1990s.
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Sedition and Pockets wrote:
He's been beating the antivaxx drum for literally decades. He probably did more to promote vaccine denialism than any other American since the late 1990s.

I'm actually surprised people still don't believe in vaccines. There's just way too many evidence that shows that vaccines are safe and effective, and their beliefs have been debunked years ago. They make just as much sense as those flat earth believers.
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Half the people who say vaccines don't work genuinely believe it, and they're listening to the half that are being paid to say that vaccines don't work while knowing they're spewing bullshit. Remember that the initial study that the idea of vaccines causing autism came from, the one that was debunked in every possible way and was so full of misinformation and straight up lies that it got the medical license of the doctor who authored it revoked, was funded by lawyers who were trying to start a class action lawsuit relating to links between autism and vaccines, and the various parents of children used in the study to support its claims were clients of those lawyers. Being anti-vaccinations is a big fucking industry nowadays, horrifyingly enough, just as being anti-LGBT became a giant industry for American conservatives over the course of the 20th and early 21st centuries. The fact that it's morphed from "Autism might be caused by vaccinations, so protect your kids" to "Vaccines are filled with mind control substances implanted in there by Bill Gates and the Jews" does not surprise me at all, because every single fucking conspiracy theory nowadays just ends up being "The evil Jews did it".
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Subrick wrote:
because every single fucking conspiracy theory nowadays just ends up being "The evil Jews did it".

I mean, that's not really just a "nowadays" thing, is it? More of a "basically all of western history, culminating in WWII, then the sentiment went underground for a couple decades as a result (and now that people who haven't lived through WWII are once again the vast majority, it's popping right back up)".

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I say "nowadays" because in the time I've been interested in conspiracy theories, it seems like only in the last five or six years has every conspiracy theory, even previously supposedly benign ones like Flat Earth or ancient aliens that seemingly everyone knew was complete nonsense, has an endgame of it being an anti-Semitic grift. I've no doubt the breakthrough of QAnon into the mainstream is partially to blame for this, but it's beyond that as well. Obviously I am several generations removed from that which lived through and experienced World War II, so I've only got my 27 and a half years of existence to go by in terms of gauging the kinds of people that get into this stuff.

Also, to add to the vaccines post I made but forgot to put it on there, my go-to response to anybody that thinks that vaccines don't work is to tell them to talk to someone who grew up in the days of polio. Everyone knew someone who either died from it or had it and was crippled by it. My own father, born more than a half decade after the polio vaccine was introduced and now nearly 60, can still vividly describe the physical deformities that friend's parent had from getting polio and surviving.
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Subrick wrote:
I say "nowadays" because in the time I've been interested in conspiracy theories, it seems like only in the last five or six years has every conspiracy theory, even previously supposedly benign ones like Flat Earth or ancient aliens that seemingly everyone knew was complete nonsense, has an endgame of it being an anti-Semitic grift. I've no doubt the breakthrough of QAnon into the mainstream is partially to blame for this, but it's beyond that as well. Obviously I am several generations removed from that which lived through and experienced World War II, so I've only got my 27 and a half years of existence to go by in terms of gauging the kinds of people that get into this stuff.

Almost every major conspiracy theory, even the David Icke reptilian hilarity, comes back to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. If ever there was a good reason for necessary fact checking, that fucking pamphlet from over a century ago is it.
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Slater922 wrote:
Sedition and Pockets wrote:
He's been beating the antivaxx drum for literally decades. He probably did more to promote vaccine denialism than any other American since the late 1990s.

I'm actually surprised people still don't believe in vaccines. There's just way too many evidence that shows that vaccines are safe and effective, and their beliefs have been debunked years ago. They make just as much sense as those flat earth believers.


A lot of that is due to the lack of trust in Big Pharma. And to be fair, there is a lot of wrong with pharmaceuticals, and it's easy to imagine the worst.

You then combine that with people putting their faith in "natural" products, "detox", stuff like that, and a misremembered biology class... That's why you end up with idiotic statements like, "No need for vaccine, my immune system is working".

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:54 am 
 

Also, keep in mind that the New Age/Alternative Spirituality movement is and always has been proto/crypto fascist.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:39 pm 
 

The whole anti-vaccine movement really ramped up when Jenny McCarthy was upset that her kid had autism and decided vaccines are to blame. And now as recently as 2019 New York had to call a state of emergency due to a measles outbreak (a disease that was considered eliminated in the US in 2000 by WHO).

This country has a problem with education and science literacy and that is why we see far too many people subscribe to anti-science beliefs (anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate change denial, etc.). There are a lot of places we need to improve, but I think education fundamentally needs to be the top priority and history has shown direct correlations between how well a populous is educated and myriad positive societal factors.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:27 pm 
 

David Icke’s worldview borrows heavily from the “Jews are responsible for everything evil” universe. All conspiracy cults have to reduce the world to easy, black and white good and evil, to get cultist followers.

But his literary plagiarism takes, from Robert E. Howard, who gave us the reptilian humanoids, living underground(in his version, it’s in one of the levels of hollow earth), who can shape shift into human form. But he was sensible enough to not have them take over every human society(and plagiarize Sitchin’s “Nibiru,” which didn’t exist yet.). In his universe, alien cosmic horror gods aren’t actually that powerful, and Conan often ends up killing them with a sword. The moral, of the amoral story, is “lift weights and do cardio.”

His friend, H.P. Lovecraft, invented “ancient astronauts,” but his version is better. Because, despite being a poor writer, and white supremacist, he ended up writing good shit, where his own race is inferior, to aliens, who are actually creatures a human mind cannot comprehend.

I’ve put way more thought into this, as you can see, than conspiracy theorists have. Unfortunately, many people are just immune to reason, when their cult is a more comfortable story. People really need to stop believing this grifter crap.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:50 pm 
 

Sedition and Pockets wrote:
Also, keep in mind that the New Age/Alternative Spirituality movement is and always has been proto/crypto fascist.



Very much correct.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:37 am 
 

ObservationSlave wrote:
This country has a problem with education and science literacy and that is why we see far too many people subscribe to anti-science beliefs (anti-vax, anti-GMO, climate change denial, etc.).


i watched the inauguration of biden, and i was shockingly reminded of how religious the whole ordeal was - i also recently watched "the vvitch" (2015), and i get downright depressed when i remember that the majority of the people of earth are still like that in 2021, believing in all sorts of mystical fucking fairy tales.

the optimistic part of my brain is hoping that the big media focus on stuff like flat earthers, anti-vax, climate change denial etc. shit could maybe also help shed a light on the equally stupid, but much wider spread problem of religious beliefs, but realistically i of course don't expect that on any reasonable timescale (like decades)
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:18 pm 
 

https://www.npr.org/sections/trump-impe ... rial-again

And Trump has been acquitted. Again. As if this was gonna end any other way than that. Can't wait for 2024 when the next fascist Republican does everything they can to overthrow the government and nothing happens to them.

Also, the Democrats are spineless wimps that fold under the slightest bit of pressure. The GOP threatened to block anything and everything the Dems introduce in the Senate if this trial didn't end ASAP, and the Dems just instantly caved. Now watch as the GOP blocks anything and everything anyway, because they efficiently evil and the Dems are incompetence and indifference personified.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:01 pm 
 

Subrick wrote:
https://www.npr.org/sections/trump-impeachment-trial-live-updates/2021/02/13/967098840/senate-acquits-trump-in-impeachment-trial-again

And Trump has been acquitted. Again.

Nice! I'm glad Trump knows that he can incite a riot in a federal building, put the lives of congressmen and women on the line, and have the rioters MURDER an officer doing his job and get away with it! And I'm also glad he can run for office again in 2024. Nothing can go wrong with this! :thumbsup:

In all seriousness, though, I thought the Senate would be smart and convict Trump. I really don't wanna know what he has in store for us in the next presidential election...
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 7:28 pm 
 

severzhavnost wrote:
Sedition and Pockets wrote:
I have something of a ground level view that makes this more than a shot-in-the-dark guess. I am involved in an ongoing local struggle against a new Pratt and Whitney (Raytheon subsidiary) production facility that will be making fan blades for the F-35. P&W already has adequate production capacity to meet the demand for its domestic contracts, and this facility only makes sense for meeting contracts for foreign orders, and those orders are coming primarily in the Middle East (Israel, Saudi, and UAE). They went ahead with the project and announced it to the public in late October, although the negotiations for an "economic incentive package" (bribe) from the county government went back more than a year before that. Still, by the time the project was announced, it was pretty clear that a Biden administration was the overwhelming likelihood coming out of the 2020 elections. There is zero chance they would have gone ahead with what is about $850 million initial investment if it was believed that major parts of those foreign deliveries were going to be cut by the incoming administration.


Keystone XL Pipeline says hi.
On a serious note though, I do agree these weapons sales will proceed. There’s not much in the USA that has bi-partisan support, but the international war machine is one of them.


Keystone XL and what S&P is referring to are not even remotely similar. Every possible indication pointed to Biden cancelling that project if he won the election. Jason Kenney, being a dumb moron stuck in the mid-1950s, decided to bet $1.5 billion on Trump's re-election (and god knows how much money in loan guarantees that we're now on the hook for.) The point being, you have to imagine that a COMPANY doesn't go ahead with that investment if there are any big indications the project wouldn't be able to proceed. Jason Kenney, however, doesn't roll like that. He hasn't done shit for Alberta so he made a Hail Mary pass and it soared all the way past the end zone, and out of the goddamn stadium. The whole reason the province injected so much money DIRECTLY into the project with all those loan guarantees is that the companies who originally envisioned the project were (rightly so) hesitant to move ahead with capital investment given the upcoming election and the fact that the Democratic challenger had made it clear that Keystone would not being going ahead if he won.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 8:03 pm 
 

Slater922 wrote:
Subrick wrote:
https://www.npr.org/sections/trump-impeachment-trial-live-updates/2021/02/13/967098840/senate-acquits-trump-in-impeachment-trial-again

And Trump has been acquitted. Again.

Nice! I'm glad Trump knows that he can incite a riot in a federal building, put the lives of congressmen and women on the line, and have the rioters MURDER an officer doing his job and get away with it! And I'm also glad he can run for office again in 2024. Nothing can go wrong with this! :thumbsup:

In all seriousness, though, I thought the Senate would be smart and convict Trump. I really don't wanna know what he has in store for us in the next presidential election...



If he even makes it to 2024. Reports indicate that the dude almost died of covid, wouldn't be surprised if he got some heart damage or other health problems during his time with the virus. That, coupled with states and other local authorities going after him for their various of reasons (NY/Georgia/etc) might just give him so much stress that he keels over.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 8:59 pm 
 

"Any lurking MAGA or QAnon douchelords reading this: you can fuck off"

Really dude? You are going to talk about American Politics and ban Americans from the discussion?

I'm out......first and last comment on here.


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