Cosmic_Equilibrium wrote:
"Tibet was invaded by 35,000 Chinese troops who systematically raped, tortured and murdered an estimated as many as 1.2 million Tibetans – one-fifth of the country's population. Since then, over 6000 monasteries have been destroyed and thousands of Tibetans have been imprisoned.
According to different sources, it is estimated that up to 260,000 people died in prisons and labor camps between 1950 and 1984. 34.4% of Tibetans in farming and pastoral areas of Tibet are still stuck below poverty line. What is more, the region accounts for the highest poverty rate in China. It is estimated that there up to twenty million Chinese citizens working in prison camps. Hundreds of Tibetans have set themselves on fire to protest Chinese rule since 2009, with more than 100 dying from their injuries. The numbers are murky due to the absence of official records and the suppression of free press in communist China. However, reliable records show that between 1949 and 1979 the following atrocities occurred: 173,221 Tibetans died after being tortured in prison, 156,758 Tibetans were executed by the Chinese, 432,705 Tibetans were killed while fighting Chinese occupation, 342,970 Tibetans have starved to death, 92,731 Tibetans were publicly tortured to death, 9,002 Tibetans committed suicide. One can only imagine what the actual numbers were for this period, and what the numbers were for the years since 1979. In Tibet today, there is no freedom of speech, religion, or press and arbitrary detainments continue. The 14th Dalai Lama, who fled to India in 1959, now lives among over 100,000 other Tibetan refugees and their government in exile. Forced abortion, sterilisation of Tibetan women, and the transfer of low-income Chinese citizens threaten the survival of Tibetan culture. In some Tibetan provinces, Chinese settlers outnumber Tibetans 7 to 1. The Chinese government has never made a formal apology for their atrocities in Tibet. Within China itself, massive human rights abuses continue."
https://thelogicalindian.com/story-feed/awareness/conflict-between-tibet-and-china/It's hard to know what to make of this article, since it doesn't actually cite its sources. The only link it provides for its figures is to an opinion piece in the Tibet Post, a publication that is explicitly an arm of the Tibetan diaspora independence movement. That piece also doesn't cite its sources, so it is impossible to even begin to assess their veracity. The most likely source of the figures are reports from the International Commission of Jurists, a
CIA-funded NGO that was, according to ex-CIA officer John Agee, "set up and controlled by the CIA for propaganda operations."
What is true is that Tibet suffered immensely—along with the rest of China—from the famines that resulted in part from the catastrophically failed policies of the Great Leap Forward era and in the chaos of the Cultural Revolution, when central administration in China largely broke down during a period that was, in effect, an internal civil war within the CCP. It's kind of neither here nor there, since none of that reflects the policies of the current Chinese government, which is the issue we were actually discussing.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-10638506Not saying that Tibetan rulers prior to the occupation were blameless either. Nor am I denying that China has put money into the Tibetan economy. Empires can give with one hand and destroy with the other. That doesn't mean China is a blameless saviour of the Tibetan people.
Urbanization and modern economic development have wrought great changes to traditional ways of living wherever they have occurred, and that's unquestionably been true in Tibet. Those processes are historically inevitable, however. You can't shut a place off from the world and keep it perpetually frozen in time. I believe the Chinese government has made tremendous efforts to mitigate the inevitable impacts of development, to the huge net benefit of the Tibetan people, and I don't believe that the feudal theocratic regime of the Lamas could have done this as well as China has, much less better.
China and the CCP are certainly
not "blameless saviors," and I'm not claiming otherwise. The CCP has over the years made gigantic errors of policy with terrible consequences to be counted in human lives. China today has enormous contradictions that could yet undo all of the gains won by the Revolution at such tremendous cost in blood. It remains to be seen whether the CCP and China can resolve those contradictions and deliver on the promise of the Revolution. Those contradictions will only be resolved by the Chinese people themselves, and they certainly
cannot be resolved by blockade and economic strangulation (sanctions), US military action, or by promoting the political disintegration of a country that 1.5 billion people call home.
That is why PSL defends China and the CCP. Not because they are perfect. Not because they are "blameless." We defend them because the solutions to China's problems can only come from the Chinese people, and the alternatives offered by US imperialism are far, far worse.
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Disputed territories yes, but take a look at the map linked below and tell me that China's interpretation of what are supposedly 'Chinese waters' isn't comical. Nothing to do, of course, with the fact that claiming those islands as Chinese and setting up military bases on them gives them a dominant hand in control of a heavily used shipping lane and strategic geopolitical area....
The "strategic geopolitical" significance of the South China Sea and its "heavily used" shipping lanes owe their importance entirely to the fact that they are the primary lines of communication and trade between the rest of the world and the world's second largest (soon to be largest) economy (that would be China). Given the interlocking ring of US military bases spanning the entire eastern periphery of the South China Sea and American plan's to devote 70% of US military resources to INDOPACOM (the joint military command primarily concerned with confronting China), China's government would be absolutely derelict in its duty to defend its own citizens if it wasn't taking steps to secure it's main strategic approaches and lines of communication.
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https://time.com/5935243/myanmar-coup-china/ Y'know, I'm not sure if Beijing care who runs Myanmar, as long as they can benefit. Which it looks like they will do.
I think that's basically a correct assessment. China's stated foreign policy position is cooperative internationalism, and to that end they have been pretty much willing to work with any government that will work with them. I think that policy position beats the hell of the unilateral interventionism and militaristic aggression that has been the posture of the United States for decades.
Regardless, if the Chinese government doesn't care who rules Myanmar, they really have no incentive to foment a coup there, so we're back at "speculative bordering on conspiratorial."
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Also, if China was the Suu Kyi government's most important backer, then they were propping up a state which did this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya_genocideThe United States and its allies were
also backers of the Suu Kyi government. Since the military—which retained most of its dominance in Myanmar's political structure even under the nominally democratic Suu Kyi government—was the motive force behind the attacks on the Rohingya people, I don't think there were much in the way of good alternatives for either China or the US and its allies in this particular case, and it is hard for me to imagine how the international community could have intervened in Myanmar in a way that could have ended the crisis there without making things worse. Sanctions and military intervention are incredibly blunt instruments that primarily cause suffering among ordinary people with no power, and those are really the only tools available for dealing with something like the military junta in Myanmar. China, in particular, almost has to be leery of actions that could destabilize a country on its own borders.
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That may have been true 20-30 years ago. It's getting less true now.
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/chinas-modernizing-military#:~:text=It%20has%20around%20120%2C000%20active,of%20its%20A2%2FAD%20strategy."The Chinese government is working to make its military stronger, more efficient, and more technologically advanced to become a top-tier force within thirty years. With a budget that has soared over the past decade, the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) already ranks among the world’s leading militaries in areas including artificial intelligence and anti-ship ballistic missiles.
Experts warn that as China’s military modernizes, it could become more assertive in the Asia-Pacific region by intensifying pressure on Taiwan and continuing to militarize disputed islands in the East and South China Seas.
Championing what he calls the Chinese Dream, a vision to restore China’s great-power status, Xi has gone further to push military reforms than his predecessors. Xi leads the Central Military Commission, the PLA’s highest decision-making body, and he has committed to producing a “world-class force” that can dominate the Asia-Pacific and “fight and win” global wars by 2049.
What China is investing in is upgrading its existing military hardware to provide it with technological parity to US forces forward deployed to China's back yard. What it doesn't have and isn't investing in is the kind of support infrastructure and force mix that would allow it to operate major expeditionary forces beyond its borders, which is the
sine qua non of offensive power projection.
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Responsible for maintaining China’s conventional and nuclear missiles, the rocket force was elevated to an independent service during reforms in 2015. It has around 120,000 active troops. China has steadily increased its nuclear arsenal—it had an estimated 290 warheads in 2019
By way of comparison, the United States maintains something between 4-6000 atomic warheads
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—and modernized its capabilities, including the development of anti-ship ballistic missiles that could target U.S. warships in the Western Pacific, as part of its A2/AD strategy.
Those missiles are transparently a defensive measure. Their purpose is to deny the United States the ability to use its navy to conduct offensive operations in the South China Sea.
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China reportedly has the most midrange ballistic and cruise missiles, weapons that until recently the United States and Russia were prohibited from producing.
So? Both Russia and the United States have vast nuclear stockpiles and deployed delivery systems. Their arsenals are incomparably more powerful than China's
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The PLA is also developing hypersonic missiles, which can travel many times faster than the speed of sound and are therefore more difficult for adversaries to defend against. While Russia is the only country with a deployed hypersonic weapon, China’s medium-range DF-17 missile is expected to be operational in 2020. The Pentagon has said it will likely be several years before the United States has one."
Given the vast imbalance between the nuclear arsenals of the two countries, the deployment of a handful of relatively short ranged weapons can't credibly be called an offensive measure.
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This article too:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a27532437/china-now-has-more-warships-than-the-us/ - although the Chinese navy lacks quality at present compared to other blue water navies. That might change over time, however.
We might all move to Mars someday, too. The reality is that China's navy consists largely of small coastal patrol vessels optimized for anti-submarine warfare or air defense. It is at present and will remain for years to come a purely defensive force.