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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 1:12 pm 
 

Thank you for pointing out the reasons why my post was wrongly worded. I actually PM'd S&P telling I was sorry about my post before even realising why. And now I do. So my apologies to this whole board, believe it or not it was never my intention to sound like that. And I don't need anyone to defend my post, if it's shit it's shit, and I admit it.

I never meant it to sound like I was defending Manson nor that I was attacking victims. I don't defend rape nor any kind of violence or prejudice against any human being. I carry scars yes, and those make me want to be a better person. And you're right Morrigan, that's only my own prerogative and I should never try to impose that view on anyone else. I tried to show some empathy but I failed. I'm sorry.

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Morrigan
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 1:17 pm 
 

All right. I won't speak for Sedition, but I do appreciate the apology.

That said I just want to point out that I did not write this because I thought you were "defending Manson or attacking victims". Just so that's clear.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 1:24 pm 
 

Thank you.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 1:29 pm 
 

I appreciate the public apology and want you to know that I don't hold this against you. I don't believe you are a person of ill-will, I think you've just been conditioned—as we have all been conditioned—not to see. I only ask that you think on this and hopefully learn something from it.
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Morrigan
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 1:38 pm 
 

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I just hope people chill out on this thread a bit. Yeah, what Manson did to these women was atrocious, but let's not start a civil war on the forums.

Butt out. You aren't a mod and you don't get to say this.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 1:40 pm 
 

Slater922 wrote:
I just hope people chill out on this thread a bit. Yeah, what Manson did to these women was atrocious, but let's not start a civil war on the forums.


The topic at hand is rape, assault, abuse. There really is no reason to "chill out". You've made your stance clear and the rest of us are well within our rights to critisize you for it.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 1:40 pm 
 

Sedition and Pockets wrote:
I appreciate the public apology and want you to know that I don't hold this against you. I don't believe you are a person of ill-will, I think you've just been conditioned—as we have all been conditioned—not to see. I only ask that you think on this and hopefully learn something from it.

I appreciate your understanding. And do realise that when I said I was left saddened it wasn't due to my ego being hurt, it was because I never meant to imply something negative. I just try to live my life by doing the best I can, even in light of all the conditioning that exists. And I just wanted to share my positive way of thinking that's all. I failed to, I apologise.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 1:40 pm 
 

Good riddance.
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Unity
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 2:05 pm 
 

Now it's Trent Reznor denoucing Manson:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/tre ... 21985.html
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Sedition and Pockets wrote:
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I was the victim of a violent rape when I was a 19 year old college sophomore. At the time, I was just beginning to experiment with my gender identity/presentation, although I didn't really know that's what I was doing (it would actually be several more years before I even heard the word "transgender"). At this point I'm not sure who suggested it (we were both queer women who hadn't figured that out yet, so it could have been either of us, tbh), but my then girlfriend and I attended an off campus Halloween party and we went in costume as a gender swapped Britney Spears/Justin Timberlake combo.

It was a pretty typical college party, booze out the ass and other drugs in copious quantities. I got hammerfuck drunk, and when the time came to leave, I was incapacitated. My girlfriend and another friend we came with simply were not strong enough to get me to the car under the circumstances. For whatever reason, they were unable to get anyone else at the party to assist in getting me home, so I was left on a couch to sleep it off.

Sometime not long before dawn, I woke up, still in a drunken stupor, to find an older classmate on top of me. He had pulled off my underwear and flipped up my skirt, and was trying to press his erection into my mouth. I attempted to push him off me, but I was too drunk. I was too drunk to even raise my hands to defend myself when he began punching me in the face. Since that time, I've been in a few bar fights, and even entered Tough Man contest, but I have never been hit that hard or that cleanly before or since. He broke my jaw and fractured the orbital bone under my right eye (the doc told me I was lucky, had the fracture displaced, I could very easily have been blinded in that eye).

I was in no sense what you might call lucid, but I knew that if I continued to try and resist he would have killed or permanently maimed me, so I did what I think most people would have done; I gave up and stopped fighting. He pushed me face down onto the couch and forced himself into me. At that time in my life, I had never been penetrated. I wasn't ready for it in any way, and he certainly didn't give me the benefit of any sort of lubrication. It was the most excruciatingly painful physical experience of my life. Worse than when I separated my shoulder in a wrestling match in high school. Worse than when I tore ligaments in my knee. Worse than when I fell off a waterfall and had to be carried out of the Graveyard Fields off the Blue Ridge Parkway by friends in my early 20s. All I could do was sit there and take it, while he told me I deserved it for being a cock tease and a faggot. He tore my rectal tissue and left me bleeding for days until I finally went to a doctor. I had to have stitches inside my colon to repair the damage he inflicted. When he was finished, he fell asleep in a chair just across the room, as if completely untroubled in any way by what he had just done to me.

I was still too drunk to leave, so I just lay there, sobbing, my face on fire and bleeding from my ass. I finally stumbled out of the apartment sometime after the sun came up, still in agony, still disoriented from drunkeness. It took me close to an hour to make a walk that normally would have taken less than 10 minutes, stopping to vomit several times along the way. I have no idea what the RA thought when I stumbled in through the entrance to the dorm. I must have been a hell of a sight with my eye swollen shut, mascara streaked down my face and drying vomit and blood soaking my skirt and shirt.

I was too terrified and ashamed to report what had happened for several weeks, but at the urging of my girlfriend, I finally went to the campus cops. They told me that since it happened off campus, I would need to make my report to the city police. They treated me like a freak and a suspected sex worker, and performed a perfunctory interview with my rapist. He told them that we had consensual sex and that I had freaked out and attacked him in the middle of it, and he had hit me only in self defense. He was believed; I wasn't. The police refused to recommend charges and the DA didn't file them. I reported him to the university administration, but they told me there was nothing they could do if he wasn't going to be charged. So that was that.

The experience destroyed my life. It left me with complex PTSD that has horrendously maimed my ability to form normal relationships with other people. For the three semesters until he graduated, I was too scared and ashamed to consistently attend my classes, and I never completed my degree. The experience set back my ability to come to grips with my gender identity for years. I was on the cusp of a breakthrough, but by the time I managed to work through my pain and trauma and come to the truth, I was 38 years old. I still struggle to develop any internalized sense of self-worth. Twenty years on, I still see his face in my mind every single day. The only thing I've ever found that works to blot him from my dreams is heavy marijuana use, which has hampered me at every turn in life. For more than a decade I felt constantly terrified and paralyzed by shame. In furtive and risky encounters, I simply gave my body away to men whose only interest in was the pleasure they could take from my pain. Along the way, I contracted HIV, and now the only thing that stands between me and a slow and agonizing death are drugs that, were I forced to pay out of pocket, would cost nearly $5k/month. I sought out dangerous things so I could somehow feel strong, so I could be a terror instead of being terrorized, which led me down the path to far right politics. In my pain I became a source of pain for others. I will never be what I could have been, never have the life I could have had. He took that from me, and I can never have it back.

I don't want to fucking hear another goddamn word on this site about how lives are "ruined" by false accusations. That is so much horseshit. It is excuse making. It is rape culture, and anyone peddling it ought to be ashamed of themselves. Whatever pain is suffered by the rare victim of false allegations pales in comparison to what victims of rape and sexual assault experience every single day. 1 out of every 4 women in this country will be a victim of sexual assault in her lifetime. For trans women, that figure is 1 out of every 2. The statistics are horrifying; the reality behind the statistics is almost beyond contemplation.


I'm sad to hear your story. Even though you still struggle I hope you can at least find some progress with your mental health even if its slow. I also hope the rapist will be punished one way or another (if he hasn't been already from some other charge). There definately seems to be a need to reform the police where you're as they didn't investigate this enough when you reported it. Being physically violated can destroy ones life. I haven't experienced it so I have no idea what it must feel like. I have had someone that I worked close to in that situation though and its one of the saddest things Ive seen in my life. She also had to go to school meeting her rapist every day for more than a year before they graduated. A strong young woman whos life was destroyed by one asshole one evening at a party (who it was I never found out - she was to scared and ashamed to say).

I sincerely wish you the best.
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Luvers
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 6:28 pm 
 

Sedition and Pockets wrote:
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I am deeply sorry you endured such a horrible situation and the overwhelming impact it has had on your life. While I cannot fathom those particular evil actions, the pain was very apparent in your words. Of course the complete lack of justice was heartbreaking, that I can fathom, quite so. It was definitely triggering but very brave as well. It is also nice to see nothing but respect in the comments towards your experience.

(Off point question: Are you active in online support groups for survivors, like Pandy's?)
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I don't want to fucking hear another goddamn word about how lives are "ruined" by false accusations. That is so much horseshit. It is excuse making...
That is the same thing I once told a cop. However, none of this changes that it is wrong to deduce guilt on just accusations. Are you going to voice how wrong you were if it somehow turned out to have been a lie? Would you be like a news outlet and relegate your retraction to a small blurb? Would you personally apologize for being part of an action that puts a hex on the person for life? Remember, few read the details, only the headline. The mere accusation, true or false, is where the damage is done. Even complete acquittal followed by a full confession of dishonesty would not stop the stain from following the person forever. Would you apologize in said scenario?
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Whatever pain is suffered by the rare victim of false allegations pales in comparison to what victims of rape and sexual assault experience every single day. 1 out of every 4 women in this country will be a victim of sexual assault in her lifetime. For trans women, that figure is 1 out of every 2. The statistics are horrifying; the reality behind the statistics is almost beyond contemplation.
I would never try and speak for anyone else but I highly doubt anybody is trying to equate sa and r with false accusations, of course those actions pale in comparison. You do realize that someone can hold to a position that an accusation has not been proven and that the accuser is telling the truth simultaneously, right? Just like saying you are not convinced someone is guilty is not the same thing as saying you are convinced they are innocent. In a world where no one would ever lie about something then all of this would be moot, but you know that is not this world. Every human ever are capable liars. So no accusation should ever be automatically believed. When has the default position not been to be skeptical?

I realize in your case that skepticism can be seen as contributing to the lack of justice, I would not argue that, but I believe you would place it more at the feet of the inherent bigotry, transphobia and ignorance that you dedicate your time speaking of. In my experience, it is not usually the skepticism that has hindered justice, it is the ignorance that makes the bigotry persist, and by extension the lack of justice.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 6:53 pm 
 

Sedition and Pockets, what a shocking, sad story. I'm speechless. (╯︵╰,)

The media in my country is still buzzing about the idiot who was put to jail after several people accused him for sexual assaults. The thing I learned after a viewer (ex-policeman) made a phone call and spoke in a TV show about the issue is that some people have completely wrong assumptions about what is permissible. There are still people (like him) who think they are allowed to touch other people and treat them however they won't and ''it's not offensive if the victims don't resist and if the force is not being used''. :roll:

General conclusion in the society is that we should spread more awareness and that sexual education should be introduced to schools, and I agree; without it, we will have a hard time trying to convert those Neanderthals...

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:10 pm 
 

Luvers wrote:
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Hats off!

You explain it better, and more smooth, than I was able to.
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Porman
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:02 am 
 

Morrigan wrote:
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Why is the fucking concern trolling over false allegations and how they "ruin lives" always coming up even in cases where there is massive corroboration from witnesses and multiple accusers?


I've never heard about a case where that has actually happened. People don't realize how hard it is to prove rape/sexual assault in the first place so IF there's been anyone convincted falsely of that, I'd sure like to see the court documents.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 1:35 pm 
 

This shit is getting more and more disturbing. From Wikipedia:

On February 1, 2021, former partner and fiancée Evan Rachel Wood accused Manson of abuse. Writing on Instagram, in a statement that was publicized by Vanity Fair before being made public, she said in part, "he started grooming me when I was a teenager and horrifically abused me for years." Following Wood's accusations, three other women made sexual assault allegations against Manson. An additional seven women made claims ranging from verbal, psychological and physical intimidation while claiming Manson to be racist, antisemitic and a white supremacist. One of these women also claimed Manson boasted of having the pets of former lovers killed. Former girlfriend Jenna Jameson said she broke up with Manson after he "nonchalantly said he fantasized about burning me alive".
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:12 pm 
 

Has Rose McGowan, or Dita Von Teese come out, and say they were abused by Marilyn Manson? You would think, especially Rose McGowan would come out, and say something about it. She's practically been the face of the #MeToo movement.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:36 pm 
 

Deathstalker1985 wrote:
Has Rose McGowan, or Dita Von Teese come out, and say they were abused by Marilyn Manson? You would think, especially Rose McGowan would come out, and say something about it. She's practically been the face of the #MeToo movement.

https://www.newsweek.com/marilyn-manson ... ns-1566751
Dita Von Teese has put out a statement saying that her experience with Manson did not match the experience of the other women who were abused. This makes me curious: Why wasn't Manson abusive towards her? Could Von Teese actually be lying, and if so why?

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Subrick
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:25 am 
 

As I've yet to see it mentioned here, Otep Shamaya chimed in on this all to let everyone know that Manson's current wife is also being violently abused by him.

https://metalinjection.net/shocking-rev ... ed-abusive

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WARNING: UNPOPULAR OPINION COMNG: Hey everyone, ok, I've been getting a lot of requests regarding my thoughts on Manson. I don't normally discuss personal stuff but since all this evidence is coming out that he's sexually & physically assaulted a number of women and minors not to mention being a sexist and a Nazi sympathizer, I've decided to tell you what I know:

I was a HUGE fan of his. I even wore his shirt on Ozzfest when ppl were blaming him for Columbine. And I've met him many times. We have mutual friends including Gene Simmons son, Nick Simmons. Manson even told one of my fans he was afraid of me after SEVAS TRA was released which I took as a HUGE compliment.

But then I dated a woman who was friends with his current wife Lyndsay (and her twin sister – who's married to James Iha of A Perfect Circle) and Lyndsay used to call our house In the early hours & I was told she hysterical bcz he was on another drug binge, threatening her life, throwing knives at her that stuck in the wall & verbally assaulting her. We offered many times to have her come to mine bcz he would NEVER come face ME with that bullshit (believe it) but sadly she wouldn't leave him. So, my ex would be calm and talk her down until Manson realized she was on the phone and he whoa'd down.

But then he started calling in the early hours. I was told he was paranoid, gacked out of his mind, and accusing his wife of cheating with an imaginary person who had blonde hair with a blonde mustache named "Don" who he, I'm told, saw on his security cameras and was "fucking his wife".

Look. This is heartbreaking for all the women he's hurt but also for all the fans who always had his back – like ME.
BUT — He's not the Luciferian evil everyone thinks he is. He's just a violent junkie who chooses to bully and, according to reports, physically & sexually attacks women who he thinks are weaker than he is. I say …may he rot. #OTEP
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:31 am 
 

I liked that one song "This is the New Shit" back when I was ten. And the music video, that was back when the matrix was cool and hot topic wasn't an anime store (still can find good stuff there just gotta look :)). That's all I cared for when it came to MM. My friend also had this poster in his room back in the day:

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Every time I see that picture I'm taken back to 2004/2005, hanging out at his house as a preteen listening to music on dial up internet while later watching headbangers ball. Good times.

Anyways, I could care less for the person, and these accusations don't surprise me. Funny how I just watched a tiktok of a dude responding to a vid asking about "celebrities that are dicks but you'd have no idea", saying that MM was a total shithead. 3 days later this pops up. Weird how it all works out.
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Otep Shamaya wrote:
Look. This is heartbreaking for all the women he's hurt but also for all the fans who always had his back – like ME.
BUT — He's not the Luciferian evil everyone thinks he is. He's just a violent junkie who chooses to bully and, according to reports, physically & sexually attacks women who he thinks are weaker than he is. I say …may he rot. #OTEP
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This is such a good statement. The man who took on evil as a personality. The one who stood on the other side of fanatical christianity. The one who got blamed for all sorts of things and then embraced it (and quite successfully defended his position many times) turns out to be just the everyday, nothing special, asshole without any deeper meaning. Just a violent junkie and a bully.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:11 pm 
 

New details of his abuse here: https://www.metalsucks.net/2021/02/06/e ... -his-wife/
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:47 pm 
 

Dropped by his manager now too AKA rats deserting a sinking ship. Looks like Manson's downward spiral is complete now. No one wants to touch him.

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https://www.thecut.com/2021/02/game-of- ... anson.html

A harrowing read. My thoughts are with the victims and survivors of this sick fuck. And there's plenty more from all accounts, some that probably won't even ever testify. I do believe he is guilty of human trafficking under the description of the law as well - and Esmé Bianco's account above would qualify that.

Could someone explain to me like I'm an idiot why a statute of limitations on sexual assault is necessary??
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:36 pm 
 

The worst part:

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Bianco spent roughly two months living with Manson, drinking heavily to cope. She was often in a dissociative state, “hovering above life like I was looking at it through a net curtain,” she says, raising her hands in front of her face. Once, she remembers, he repeatedly cut her torso with a knife. “I just remember laying there, and I didn’t fight it,” she says. “It was kind of this final-straw moment where I had lost all sense of hope and safety.” He sent a photo of her cuts to Walters and one of his bandmates at the time, with the subject line “See what happens?”


If Manson dropped dead right now, the world would be a better place.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:44 pm 
 

Metal_On_The_Ascendant wrote:
Could someone explain to me like I'm an idiot why a statute of limitations on sexual assault is necessary??


The answer is probably as boring as its administrative reasons. Not sure what its like in the US but in Sweden the only crimes with no statute of limitations are murder, manslaughter, genocide, terrorism and "crimes against humanity" (not sure if this is the correct english term but in swedish its "folkrättsbrott"). And this is very new to skip the statute of limitations. In fact we only put this into practice in 2020!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:54 pm 
 

Swedish Wikipedia translates "folkrättsbrott" as "international law violations", so it pretty much does mean crimes against humanity.
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Subrick wrote:
Swedish Wikipedia translates "folkrättsbrott" as "international law violations", so it pretty much does mean crimes against humanity.


Thanks!
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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 11:47 am 
 

Yet another woman has come forward about Manson. This one’s pretty hard to read, so keep that in mind.

https://metalinjection.net/metal-crimes ... -the-world
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Ol' Manson's gonna be lucky to be playing at the local shithole pretty soon here.
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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 1:36 pm 
 

Spoiler for some disturbing abuse:

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She said Manson forced her to do a blood pact. "He cut me on my stomach and then drank my blood. Then, he had me drink his," she says. "The more I let him hurt me, the more I loved him and the more I was proving myself to him." When she "pissed him off," he would lock her in something he called "the bad girls' room," which was a glass, soundproof room. Other women have made mention of this room, and Smithline says she was locked in there at least 100 times.

Just when you think it can't get any worse, it ends us getting worse. :ugh: :(

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Ol' Manson's gonna be lucky to be playing at the local shithole pretty soon here.

Pretty much. At this point, he might as well retire making music.
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Ol' Manson's gonna be lucky to be playing at the local shithole pretty soon here.

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Pretty much. At this point, he might as well retire making music.


Yea, this bullshit he's been doing is so bad that I don't see any resurgence for what I feel is an already floundering career.
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He's had a wildly successful career for nearly 30 years. That rapist bastard isn't going to die in a gutter because he stopped getting booked in 2021.
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Sedition and Pockets wrote:
He's had a wildly successful career for nearly 30 years. That rapist bastard isn't going to die in a gutter because he stopped getting booked in 2021.


Yeah, we've seen this time and time again - and not only in music. I think the risk is much greater that he self destructs. He's been looking, and sounding, awful live for years. He seems to be deep in drug addiction (which I guess was always the case but it really started showing about 10 years ago or so).
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InnesI wrote:
Sedition and Pockets wrote:
He's had a wildly successful career for nearly 30 years. That rapist bastard isn't going to die in a gutter because he stopped getting booked in 2021.


Yeah, we've seen this time and time again - and not only in music. I think the risk is much greater that he self destructs. He's been looking, and sounding awful live, for years. He seems to be deep in drug addiction (which I guess was always the case but it really started showing about 10 years ago or so).


Yep, his heart will probably give out in a few years from all of the coke.

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Marilyn Manson has been issued an arrest warrant in New Hampshire.

http://pitchfork.com/news/arrest-warran ... shire/amp/

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An arrest warrant for Marilyn Manson has been issued by the Gilford Police Department in New Hampshire, as TMZ points out. The warrant was issued on October 8, 2019, but the Gilford PD released a statement about the warrant on its Facebook page last night (May 25). Manson is facing two counts of Class A misdemeanor Simple Assault, stemming from an August 18, 2019 incident during his concert at the Bank of New Hampshire Pavilion.

According to TMZ, the incident allegedly involved Manson spitting at a videographer during a concert. A Class A misdemeanor in New Hampshire carries a possible jail sentence of less than a year and a fine of $2,000 or less.

Not related to the abuse allegations, but I find it really ironic that the police are trying to arrest Manson for spitting on a camera (even though he's done much worse on stage), but not for abuse. :scratch:
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Slater922 wrote:
Marilyn Manson has been issued an arrest warrant in New Hampshire.

http://pitchfork.com/news/arrest-warran ... shire/amp/

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An arrest warrant for Marilyn Manson has been issued by the Gilford Police Department in New Hampshire, as TMZ points out. The warrant was issued on October 8, 2019, but the Gilford PD released a statement about the warrant on its Facebook page last night (May 25). Manson is facing two counts of Class A misdemeanor Simple Assault, stemming from an August 18, 2019 incident during his concert at the Bank of New Hampshire Pavilion.

According to TMZ, the incident allegedly involved Manson spitting at a videographer during a concert. A Class A misdemeanor in New Hampshire carries a possible jail sentence of less than a year and a fine of $2,000 or less.

Not related to the abuse allegations, but I find it really ironic that the police are trying to arrest Manson for spitting on a camera (even though he's done much worse on stage), but not for abuse. :scratch:


My guess is those who were abused, even those who have publicly come forward, probably aren't pressing charges. If I am not mistaken, if victims of domestic abuse do not formally press charges, there's nothing the police can do about it.

Spitting on a camera seems like a really weird thing to go to jail for, conversely.

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Marilyn Manson will be tried in the court of public opinion. There is almost zero chance he will be convicted on any criminal charges. The threshold for reasonable doubt in sexual assault allegations like these in the criminal courts is very high. As we saw with Michael Jackson many years ago, Manson’s celebrity stature will afford him the very best criminal defense team that money can buy who will further raise that doubt.

An undisclosed settlement in a civil dispute between him and only those alleged victims who would present the most tangible evidence against him in a civil trial will be the most he’ll part with.

At the very least, he’s guilty of putting himself in a position of precarious circumstances that would plausibly allow somebody to make these claims against him. That is the minimum justification for the record company dropping him.

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DoomMetalAlchemist wrote:
Slater922 wrote:
Marilyn Manson has been issued an arrest warrant in New Hampshire.

http://pitchfork.com/news/arrest-warran ... shire/amp/

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An arrest warrant for Marilyn Manson has been issued by the Gilford Police Department in New Hampshire, as TMZ points out. The warrant was issued on October 8, 2019, but the Gilford PD released a statement about the warrant on its Facebook page last night (May 25). Manson is facing two counts of Class A misdemeanor Simple Assault, stemming from an August 18, 2019 incident during his concert at the Bank of New Hampshire Pavilion.

According to TMZ, the incident allegedly involved Manson spitting at a videographer during a concert. A Class A misdemeanor in New Hampshire carries a possible jail sentence of less than a year and a fine of $2,000 or less.

Not related to the abuse allegations, but I find it really ironic that the police are trying to arrest Manson for spitting on a camera (even though he's done much worse on stage), but not for abuse. :scratch:


My guess is those who were abused, even those who have publicly come forward, probably aren't pressing charges. If I am not mistaken, if victims of domestic abuse do not formally press charges, there's nothing the police can do about it.

Spitting on a camera seems like a really weird thing to go to jail for, conversely.


Stupid thing to go to jail for.
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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2021 10:07 am 
 

And still complete radio silence from a guy who couldn't shut up about anything for years.

Although, shutting up is probably the best thing he can possibly do right now.
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