Osore wrote:
Ill-Starred Son wrote:
Osore wrote:
I'm on the pessimistic side with Prigione Eterna here. We are creating a bottle neck with vaccines, don't be surprised when scary new mutants emerge before the vaccination is over. As much as I feel uncomfortable with mask and will probably remove it when the summer heat overwhelms me in the public transport if it's not crowded, it's going to be Russian roulette because we never know what we are going to catch. On a long run we don't expect the virus to become much more lethal, but everything that ensures its transmission from person to person is going to work. The point of ''parasite-host'' interaction is to make a coexistence, albeit with never-ending arms race.
The UK and Israel strategy works because they combine lock-down with vaccination, but in my country the numbers are high again primarily because we don't have a strict lock-down, and I've been suspecting the new variant is among us for quite some time.
To stay a bit more on topic in terms of music, I think concert places should be rearranged so that people can sit or stand while keeping the distance, but I can't imagine metal and rock fans behaving like they are on a funeral, unless it's a super slow funeral doom. XD People don't want to embrace this ''new normality'' and it is going to prolong the situation; I already have a feeling of being in a vicious cycle.
Why wouldn't they be able to create new boosters for the new variants?
Not to mention that SO FAR the vaccines have shown to be MOSTLY effective for the variants that already do exist.
We ARE going to EVENTUALLY overcome Covid to the point that it will be like the flu and you will just need to get your shots.
They will be able to create vaccines that work against new variants, but some people won't be alive to see it, because vaccines come after new variants, not vice versa (I'm talking here about potential new variants that completely evade immunity, not British and South African). I don't know how long it will take for it to become like flu. Humanity will survive this, just like any other pandemic, but no one knows when. A year? -Probably not. 2 to 4? -Maybe. Remember that new variants will emerge more frequently as long as we have places with low vaccination rates, and Africa will become a melting pot because it has the slowest vaccination pace. Also, virus circulates between vaccinated people as well, so masks should be required for a long time. Knowing that people run to their old lifestyle as fast as they can, it just makes it worse.
Ill-Starred Son wrote:
For those who can get it but don't and then go around spreading their germs, there should be a special place in hell reserved...
I don't believe in afterlife, but I think we should create a hell for them while they are still alive.
Ill-Starred Son wrote:
If you don't, there may be a problem, but I know i will and i'm returning to life as normal after that.
I'll have to go to work physically eventually to continue with experiments. I'm currently fine because being secluded is my ''normal'' lifestyle. I just don't like the image of other people who already plan their travels and gatherings. I think it would be good if at least the business meetings remain online before we see how the situation develops. I understand there are outgoing people, but I dislike that ''dogs unleashed'' behaviour.
I'm just more optimistic than you, but we'll have to see which one of us is right.
I think you might be correct in terms of 3rd world countries and places in the world where people have less money, but in America and better off parts of Europe like the U.K., Sweden, Finland, Norway, the rest of Europe, Japan, etc, I don't think it's going to take as long as you think, and when it comes to poorer countries and continents like Africa or wherever else, I think that many people will rightfully be banned from traveling if they haven't been vaccinated so that should help prevent at least some of the spread.
I have been reading about the new variants, I'm not sure if you have, but so far they haven't found any variant that the current vaccines can't protect against, they just aren't QUITE as effective against them as against the original strain.
All the studies i've read and heard about thus far have said that the vaccines we already have should be enough so that at the very least you might get very mild flu like symptoms if you were to get covid, and that's not enough to scare me.
Like I said, I do Brazilian jiu-jitsu and martial arts where we wrestle with eachtother in close contact, and I've got my first shot scheduled later this month, then the 2nd in May and be June I will be fully vaccinated and I'll be going back to martial arts, unfortunately without a mask on cause you can't wear one when you are wrestling and it'll come off, and the other guys I train with seem to not be so smart about caring if they are vaccinated or not, but that's their choice not mine, so basically when i step on the mat there I already know that everyone who isn't vaccinated knows exactly what they are in for and has decided to "make their bed and sleep in it" so to speak, and I'd hope they'd care enough for themselves to get the shot like i do, but if not, it's one of those activities that there is literally no in-between with, you either train or you don't, and if a sweaty guy has you in a headlock you are still sharing germs even if the mask stays on.
When it comes to going out other places, I will probably usually wear a mask for as long as the CDC asks us to and will certainly respect all establishments where it's required, but maybe not if I get together with a few friends in someone's house or something and that person says they don't care.
I am a bit concerned about when I can return to the bar scene, as there's a bar near me I love going to, and I don't see how we can drink in close quarters for a while, but if enough people get vaccinated I think that in a year it will be ok to open.
They are already beginning to open some restaurants near me in NY.
I'm also an introvert, but it sounds like maybe not quite as much as you. This hasn't been all that hard for me, but there's lots of things I want to go back to, and I'm going to go back to everything I want to in 2 months after I get the vaccine. If I need to wear a mask, fine, but there's nothing I'm letting the virus stop me from doing once I'm in the clear. It will already have been 15 months by then since I've even left my freaking house, and enough is enough already...