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REQUIEM
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alone with her 8/10. beautiful.

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Bezerko wrote:
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Back to the Future - 5/5

Fucking classic. I imagine I don't really have to go into detail on this one, as it's just one of those movies that everyone and their mother knows and loves. Taking elements of comedy, science fiction, romance and adventure, Back to the Future is a tremendous and enervated film relying on a plethora of laughs and "edge of your seat" moments to create a genuine masterpiece. Nothing wrong with this at all.

Fuck yeah. Back To The Future rules. I like the second one, too, probably more than the first.


All three are brilliant, my favourite movies of all time, along with the two Ace Ventura films.


Yeah, I last saw these movies years ago, so I'm watching them again. I expected them to be good, but not THIS good. I'm renting the second one today, and the third next week. To keep up the suspense, you see.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:50 am 
 

I loved the hoverboards and the dehydrated pizza from the second film. Such wacky inventions.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:19 am 
 

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"What's your function in life?"

A cookie for whoever gets it. :p


Is it Suicide Club?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:04 pm 
 

MikeyC wrote:
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MikeyC wrote:
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28 Days Later 8/10
Luckily, I didn't have to sit through any shitty movies.

Yeah, you did. You watched 28 Days Later, which was pretty shitty. Of course, this is your opinion, but man, I really hated that movie.

Whyever so?

The previews made it out to be some sort of awesome zombie movie, but in reality, all it was was some infection/disease that was a minor part to the movie, and about a mother and daughter trying to escape some hideout with a bunch of horny men. No thanks.

I thought it was one of the best new horror movies I've seen in a while, maybe cuz I expecting something relatively shitty. I thought it was gonna be a shitty running zombie movie. Also, I'm pretty sure it wasn't mother/daughter. The older girl was black and the younger one was white. Maybe I missed something? :p

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Morrigan
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:16 pm 
 

frozenaeons wrote:
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"What's your function in life?"

A cookie for whoever gets it. :p


Is it Suicide Club?

Negative. It IS from a Japanese movie though... you must have tried to google it, cheater. :P

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Avaddons_blood
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:37 pm 
 

The Dark Knight. 7/10. Movie kinda jumped the shark with Two Face and the ending was pretty weak.

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Masked_Jackal
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:42 pm 
 

How 'd it jump the shark with Two Face?

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Avaddons_blood
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:12 pm 
 

Masked_Jackal wrote:
How 'd it jump the shark with Two Face?


If he had his face burned that bad he would most likely be dead yet he was talking completely unaffected by it. His face was burned to the point where the flesh was not only charred but completely removed there was no way his eye would have been unscathed. Not only was the severity of his burn unrealistic but it didn't even look real. His whole "Two Face" story felt light and unlikely and the ended in a very anti-climatic way.

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DrOctavia
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:15 pm 
 

The movie, for all its aspirations towards realism, is still based on a comic book. Two-Face's deformity has never been terribly plausible.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:21 pm 
 

DrOctavia wrote:
The movie, for all its aspirations towards realism, is still based on a comic book. Two-Face's deformity has never been terribly plausible.


Nothing about 2 Face was plausible. Not only was it not plausible but it was poorly executed in TDK.

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DrOctavia
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:24 pm 
 

Exactly. You're basically criticizing a comic book character for being unrealistic. You could say his story was poorly executed, but it's hardly a case of jumping the shark when the character was never realistic to begin with.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:31 pm 
 

He looks nearly the same as he does in the Animated Series, how the hell is that jumping the shark? Would you rather have the "Batman Forever" look?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:35 pm 
 

Just saw TDK. It was long, and drawn out in places, but overall very good. Now I know that Batman/Bale may put on the voice somewhat to disguise his real identity, but it was just a little too harsh and gruff for my liking. I wish they had done more with Dent at the end, but it was still very cool to see him work. Hype or not, Ledger definitely stole the show from all else present. I'd give it a 9/10, but it is not as amazing as it's IMDB ranking would suggest. There are at least a score of films on that list I would put it behind, if not more.
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Avaddons_blood
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:36 pm 
 

DrOctavia wrote:
Exactly. You're basically criticizing a comic book character for being unrealistic. You could say his story was poorly executed, but it's hardly a case of jumping the shark when the character was never realistic to begin with.


Well, everyone talks as If this is more realistic then other superhero movies, but its still way over the top. I understand its based on a comic book. I guess I can look past how unrealistic it is, but the special effects where weak as well as his storyline in the movie.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:37 pm 
 

So what is the basis of your criticism then? If you go in seeing a comic book movie and expect 100% realism, I have nothing else to say.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:38 pm 
 

Avaddons_blood wrote:
Well, everyone talks as If this is more realistic then other superhero movies
Well...it is.
Avaddons_blood wrote:
but its still way over the top.
Over the top, maybe, but not WAY over.
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josephus wrote:
Just saw TDK. It was long, and drawn out in places, but overall very good. Now I know that Batman/Bale may put on the voice somewhat to disguise his real identity, but it was just a little too harsh and gruff for my liking. I wish they had done more with Dent at the end, but it was still very cool to see him work. Hype or not, Ledger definitely stole the show from all else present. I'd give it a 9/10, but it is not as amazing as it's IMDB ranking would suggest. There are at least a score of films on that list I would put it behind, if not more.


That movie has turned IMDB into fucking 4chan, the mentality of the users who post on TDK forums is among the lowest in all the internet.

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Newsflash: IMDB was shittier before 4chan was even around. Very shitty.
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Avaddons_blood
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:46 pm 
 

rexxz wrote:
So what is the basis of your criticism then? If you go in seeing a comic book movie and expect 100% realism, I have nothing else to say.
Did you even bother to read my whole post? I said the storyline of the Two Face was weak and the special effects on his face looked very fake. Anyway, DTK was sold as a more realistic type of super hero movie and it didn't deliver in that aspect. Many of the critics even went to far as to say its not a super hero movie but a Crime movie. It was absurd hype, but I suppose the movie can't be blamed for that. Even though, that was hardly my only criticism.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:48 pm 
 

rexxz wrote:
Newsflash: IMDB was shittier before 4chan was even around. Very shitty.


Try /b/.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:51 pm 
 

Have tried /b/, IMDB is just as bad but without all of the imagery.

And yes I read your post. The story isn't weak and neither were the graphics, so I just disregarded it completely.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:17 pm 
 

TDK was incredible.

More words are not needed.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:44 pm 
 

I just saw it for the second time today.

I still loved it just as much as the first time I saw it.
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Journey = 3:00 - 4:31
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Walle-e = 8:15 - 9:52
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movies I watched 01JUL08 - 15JUL08

Godzilla, King of the Monsters!, 1956
Though not the first "giant monster raised because of nuclear explosions" movie (that honor goes to The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms), this is the one that really started the trend. This is the re-edited version of the original Japanese (1954) one. Raymond Burr was inserted pretty effectively throughout the movie. Maybe I am a dumb American, but I like this style better than more downer one in the original edit.

Cannibal Women in the Avocado Jungle of Death, 1988
A feminist movie disguised as a bimbo movie. Adrian Barbeaubot and Shannon Tweed were in this and neither showed their fantastic boobs! WTF? And Bill Mahr is an idiot. The whole movie is so stupid, disguised as being funny.

Sorority Babes in the Slimeball Bowl-O-Rama, 1988
OK, this is they style I expected from the above movie. This was pretty good. The only movie to feature Linnea Quigley, Michelle Bauer, and Brinke Stevens besides Nightmare Sisters (the two make a great pair to view in tandem), this has the ridiculous horror that you expect from any movie featuring just one of these scream queens!
http://www.youtube.com/v/wSNuJNms6q0&hl=en&fs=1

The Giant Spider Invasion, 1975
One of those 1970's giant bug movies. This one was obviously just trying to catch the wave. Not good for anything - the most horrible effects, though if you have a fear of spiders, then this might make your skin crawl.

Big Tease, 1999
Exactly not how to do a mockumentary. Just proves how hard it really is to perfect that style. A Scottish hair dresser is invited to a "hair-off" in LA as a guest, but he thinks he is to perform. No hilarity ensues, but a bunch of gayness does.

Big Nothing, 2006
A decently funny movie with Simon Pegg. Started out pretty good, but got dumb with all the twists. Much in the same way Clay Pigeons started out great, but pooped out.

Aftermath: Unanswered Questions from 9/11, 2004
For those who even Loose Change is too “brainy.” This is the most dumbed-down 9/11 conspiracy video I have seen – defiantly made for the MTV crowd – guess they are trying to turn conspiracy theories into a fad.

9/11: The Myth & the Reality, 2007
Rather boring. Just two speeches combined together of David Ray Griffin. A lot of important facts and questions and facts raised, but presentation too dull to warrant any re-watching.

9/11: Press for Truth, 2006
The best 9/11 video I have yet seen. This does not venture down the road of supposition that so many Alex Jones-types do, but sticks to the facts. A lot to do with the “Jersey Girls” (who I only knew from them being bashed by “conservative” commentators – but have since learned they are not crazy women with agendas), but does not only focus them. This is the video I would recommend to anyone exploring the “Truth Movement.”
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.sw ... 6481&hl=en

The Clonus Horror, 1979
A movie about clones. Great idea, terribly done. I guess The Island is supposed to have ripped off this movie to the nth degree (though I haven’t seen it). A presidential candidate is deep in with the clone company and, yeah, poop.

The Black Scorpion, 1957
From the first (and vastly superior) wave of giant bug movies. This one takes place in Mexico when an volcano grows suddenly (they really have been known to do that!), it creates fissures that release they big bugs. Terror ensues. The awesome bug noises ala Them! reappear.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Par%C3%ADcutin

Porn Theatre, 2002
Goddamn Frogs suck. Suck dick. Suck tranny dick, to be more precise.

Decoding the Past: Secrets of the Dollar Bill, 2007
A History Channel stinker. Its just people making fun of those who believe in the overt symbolism foundon the US dollar bill. I don’t think they could have gotten worse defenders of the idea. Very one-sided and didn’t really present any information.

Return of the Living Dead 2, 1988
Nothing to do with the (superior) original. More on par with The Stuff than its predecessor. Too kid oriented and no naked chicks. Some funny moments (splatstick), but not as good as the first.

Happiness of the Katakuris, 2001
The best horror-comedy-musical you will ever see! One of my favs for awhile now, had to re-watch for shits and grins. Watch to believe as horror besets this family in an idyllic countryside. Will have to look up more of Takashi Miike’s works. Apparently this movie was based on a Korean one

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Hancock = 4:35 - 6:07

This movie was utter shit. Complete waste of time.


Hey einvolk, you're sure the old movies aficionado. Where do you get those 50's, 70's movies?
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aChapo wrote:
Step Brothers = 11:10 - 12:45
Wanted = 1:00 - 2:45
Journey = 3:00 - 4:31
Hancock = 4:35 - 6:07
TDK = 6:05 - 8:35
Walle-e = 8:15 - 9:52

Hellboy = 9:55 - 11:45
man, if I could watch two movies at once! (I have thought about putting them at 1.5x speed because the dialog is still distinguishable, but it wreaks havoc on comedies - really only works for documentaries) that is a feat of endurance, though!

UnserHeiligeTod wrote:
Hey einvolk, you're sure the old movies aficionado. Where do you get those 50's, 70's movies?
Netflix (with whom I have a love/hate relationship)

I find an area of interest (some more specific than others) and try to find all the best movies in that style to compare and contrast

if I didnt have several profiles on Netflix there is no way I could keep all these lists organized. I devised a sort of 'chain' to link all movies to one another. The movie immediately preceding and following each DVD are somehow linked to one another. Further, each subgenre is divided by year, director, etc.

(TMI, I am sure)

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rexxz wrote:
Have tried /b/, IMDB is just as bad but without all of the imagery.

And yes I read your post. The story isn't weak and neither were the graphics, so I just disregarded it completely.


Graphics are only good when you can't tell they are graphics, they are way overused in movies today. Also, the 2 Face story is weak, I wasn't convinced at all by his motives, it didn't make much sense and was completely forced. Then he falls 20 feet to his death? It was just shitty. That wasn't the only problem with the movie, the whole "the hero the city needs" was just typical superhero movie bullshit.

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Avaddons_blood wrote:
Masked_Jackal wrote:
How 'd it jump the shark with Two Face?


If he had his face burned that bad he would most likely be dead yet he was talking completely unaffected by it. His face was burned to the point where the flesh was not only charred but completely removed there was no way his eye would have been unscathed. Not only was the severity of his burn unrealistic but it didn't even look real. His whole "Two Face" story felt light and unlikely and the ended in a very anti-climatic way.


I have to agree to some point, I liked the way Two Face looked, but he definitely appeared far too late in the film to really be of interest, and he was quite anti climactic, the guy who played him did it very well, and I feel if he was given a little more time his section could have been very interesting.
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Graphics are good when you can still tell they're graphics. Hell even if they're not visually betraying, you will still know they are graphics so that really doesn't mean shit.

The Two Face story was not weak, it was just rather short when compared to the Harvey Dent side of things. His motives were completely understandable and felt really natural. People have fallen 20 feet (and you don't even know that's how high it was) in real life and died, so no not shitty there either.

The whole "the hero the city needs" was what made the film work, and not typical superhero bullshit. Typical superhero bullshit would have been something you'd see in the golden age or silver age of comics.
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rexxz wrote:


The Two Face story was not weak, it was just rather short when compared to the Harvey Dent side of things. His motives were completely understandable and felt really natural. People have fallen 20 feet (and you don't even know that's how high it was) in real life and died, so no not shitty there either.


Your argument is completely absurd, just because a 20 feet fall can kill people means its a good ending? I just figured a movie would want to have something big and interesting and not something shitty. The Two Face story was trash, his girlfriend dies and he turns into whiny bitch who wants to kill everyone except the guy who fucking killed her. The script suffered in places too. I'm starting to realize that this movie had a lot of problems.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:06 pm 
 

His story came across perfectly for me, hell half the time I felt terrible what had happened to him even if he did go way over the edge.

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Avaddons_blood wrote:
Your argument is completely absurd, just because a 20 feet fall can kill people means its a good ending? I just figured a movie would want to have something big and interesting and not something shitty. The Two Face story was trash, his girlfriend dies and he turns into whiny bitch who wants to kill everyone except the guy who fucking killed her. The script suffered in places too. I'm starting to realize that this movie had a lot of problems.


How's it absurd? I'm saying that is possible, and that it is realistic.

As for how good of an ending it is, that's an entirely different matter. I thought it was suitable. It was interesting and not shitty at all. The Two Face story was pretty cool. The love of his life perishes in flames from people he thought he trusted and his already cracked mind from stressed is manipulated even further by the Joker, who convinces him that things aren't what he thinks they are. The man is breaking down mentally and he lashes out aggressively (and this side of him was alluded to earlier when he nearly killed the guy before Batman stopped him). If the movie had any problems it was that they didn't utilize the amount of time in the film to the absolute best ability. Some scenes dragged on for too long while others seemed to short. Other than that there's nothing wrong.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:18 pm 
 

Morrigan wrote:
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A cookie for whoever gets it. :p


Is it Suicide Club?

Negative. It IS from a Japanese movie though... you must have tried to google it, cheater. :P

Nah. I just remember some similar questioning of purpose in the movie.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:19 pm 
 

rexxz wrote:
Avaddons_blood wrote:
Your argument is completely absurd, just because a 20 feet fall can kill people means its a good ending? I just figured a movie would want to have something big and interesting and not something shitty. The Two Face story was trash, his girlfriend dies and he turns into whiny bitch who wants to kill everyone except the guy who fucking killed her. The script suffered in places too. I'm starting to realize that this movie had a lot of problems.


How's it absurd? I'm saying that is possible, and that it is realistic.

As for how good of an ending it is, that's an entirely different matter. I thought it was suitable.


I never said it was unrealistic, I just thought it was a dumb choice.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:20 pm 
 

It was a rather logical choice to me. Batman's injured from the gunshot, he's weak from fighting all night and then lunges towards him right before he kills the kid in one last attempt to stop him, which he does. Makes perfect sense that he dies that way.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:24 pm 
 

einvolk wrote:
aChapo wrote:
Step Brothers = 11:10 - 12:45
Wanted = 1:00 - 2:45
Journey = 3:00 - 4:31
Hancock = 4:35 - 6:07
TDK = 6:05 - 8:35
Walle-e = 8:15 - 9:52

Hellboy = 9:55 - 11:45
man, if I could watch two movies at once! (I have thought about putting them at 1.5x speed because the dialog is still distinguishable, but it wreaks havoc on comedies - really only works for documentaries) that is a feat of endurance, though!



Yes, but we already checked, WALL-E is played right in front of TDK, and trailers are about 10 minutes, so we will miss like the first 5 minutes or something, no biggie.

It's actually pretty easy to sit through 7 movies, the only akward time is during the time between the movies, once you start watching, you are sucked in, and you forget you are watching #5 or whatever.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:25 pm 
 

rexxz wrote:
It was a rather logical choice to me. Batman's injured from the gunshot, he's weak from fighting all night and then lunges towards him right before he kills the kid in one last attempt to stop him, which he does. Makes perfect sense that he dies that way.


I amazed that you can find anything in the Two Face story that was logical. I just figured that they could do better than a short fall.

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rexxz
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:26 pm 
 

I'm amazed that you can't.

Maybe they could do better than a short fall. In fact I'm sure they could do better than everything they did in the film, perfection is rarely achieved in any form of art.
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