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Acrobat
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:17 pm 
 
Abominatrix wrote:
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It's just if your going to bash something you don't get... make sure it's not the fucking Dopethrone.


I can see the irony in berating someone for giving a 0% but seriously; 'Dopethrone'?! There are an immense multitude of fucking abhorrent albums out there and he choose 'Dopethrone' to denounce?! It's a bit sad because that is quite possibly one of the best albums of all time; that riff towards the end of "Funeralopolis" is fucking fantastic and saying otherwise is pure ignorance.

I suppose not everyone can appreciate a good album when they hear it, eh?


I suppose I'm very protective to Dopethrone. I don't doubt Kruel's authenticity, I'm sure he hates it. I just think that there is at least one redeeming feature to elevate it above a 0. It's one of my favourites, that and Pentagram's Be Forewarned are my favourites for doom. Hell, if it's anything I'd take it over Darkness Descends and Altars of Madness (though I do love the former). Just we have achieved one of the aims of someone writing a 0% review, it gains controversy (for a much loved album anyway).

Guess that's the thing with metal, extreme genres provoke extreme views. We metalheads tend to be fairly partisan.

Edit: Abominatrix nailed it, Ewizz were at least doing something a little different. You can't deny that Dopethrone has at least something to it. I tend to avoid reviewing stuff I know will be shit, I haven't done any deathcore, for instance and I wrote a Trivium review based on the fact that I enjoyed them as a parody of whatever it is that they play.


Well, this is why the scoring system has never totally sat well with me. We have a whole 100-point scale system to play with. That leaves the users with a pretty significant piece of judgment on their hands, and while everyone knows the writing ought to be what's important, realistically some people do value the score quite highly as they read. My feeling goes something like this: since our standards for the literary side of reviews are becoming quite high, the score should be taken just as seriously if they're to be maintained at all. I find it difficult to believe that somebody with knowledge of and a certain amount of belief in the roots and ideals that make up this thing we call metal, which I know Kruel has, could justify giving EW no credit whatsoever as a metal album. I think it goes much deeper than trying to consider whether someone is a fan of stoner/doom or not. In this case, it shouldn't really matter.


Yes indeed, someone needs to tell certain reviewers that they can still offend everyone with reviews if they completely slag things off with a 10% or whatever review. Look at UltraBoris, say what you will about his reviews, but his use of the scoring system is exceptional. Only one 0 and one 100. Actual value placed on scores - they actually mean something. You need serious justification for either really low or high scores. Don't worry boys and girls you can still totally hate something and give it a 10, 20, 30... whatever percent. Ultimately a lot of people seek infamy by writing 0% reviews, so I suppose we've given Kruel and Tepes that. Do you reckon these fellows would be writing in the same way if it wasn't for drone? I suppose someone would have done a similar thing either way... such are the trappings of the internet! Best not to take it seriously!
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StryckenFromHistory
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:17 pm 
 
I love big quotes.

My biggest pet peeve:
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I suppose someone would of done a similar thing either way... such are the trappings of the internet! Best not to take it seriously!
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:27 pm 
 
The_Boss wrote:
I really like Keep of Kalessin, it's a more unique and original approach to black metal which I really enjoy. I don't know why everyone criticizes Thebon he's a fucking amazing vocalist!

I like Kolossus but it's not as good as Armada which is their best that I've heard. Saw 'em live with Behemoth/Dimmu Borgir and can't wait to see 'em again with Kataklysm, Dying Fetus, and Eluveitie. :metal:
Speaking of Kataklysm, they missed the Summer Slaughter date of Summer Slaughter at St.Louis, and they're not making up for it by coming again :angry:

Death by Decibels with Vader last year was amazing, and I really hope they change the dates; I don't know whether their are any open slots, but it would be awesome if their was and they were booked at Pop's.
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Eric Olthwaite

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:28 pm 
 
StryckenFromHistory wrote:
I love big quotes.

My biggest pet peeve:
ANationalAcrobat wrote:
I suppose someone would of done a similar thing either way... such are the trappings of the internet! Best not to take it seriously!


Who are you Napero? God damn! GRAMMAR HAMMER strikes again!
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ebulus
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:30 pm 
 
I can't beleive it, some of the riffs on that Metallica preview aren't half bad


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StryckenFromHistory
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:31 pm 
 
You English and your poor grammar. It's okay since your country shat out Sabbath :)
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:32 pm 
 
thrashfan07 wrote:
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I really like Keep of Kalessin, it's a more unique and original approach to black metal which I really enjoy. I don't know why everyone criticizes Thebon he's a fucking amazing vocalist!

I like Kolossus but it's not as good as Armada which is their best that I've heard. Saw 'em live with Behemoth/Dimmu Borgir and can't wait to see 'em again with Kataklysm, Dying Fetus, and Eluveitie. :metal:
Speaking of Kataklysm, they missed the Summer Slaughter date of Summer Slaughter at St.Louis, and they're not making up for it by coming again :angry:

Death by Decibels with Vader last year was amazing, and I really hope they change the dates; I don't know whether their are any open slots, but it would be awesome if their was and they were booked at Pop's.


I saw them when they played like 2 years ago with, I can't remember.. but it was still really good. Then on Summer Slaughter they were the best (better than Vader, but Vader got fucked over I won't go into details), and now I'm looking forward into seeing them again.

Kataklysm's lead singer brought out his little son on stage before they started and got him to do the horns of the crowd, it was funny. Also Vader has such a heavy and mighty sound live it's great, except for when I saw them on Summer Slaughter.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:37 pm 
 
StryckenFromHistory wrote:
You English and your poor grammar. It's okay since your country shat out Sabbath :)


Sorry what? Mom? Ha, I blame English schools for my terrible grammar. My grades have always been excellent, but my grammar is bad. I can't remember it ever being taught properly. Honestly, I've learnt more on Metal-Archives about grammar than at 13 years of school. Shocking really, I blame the fact that pupils are encouraged to learn how to pass exams rather than actually learn.
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Manic616
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:38 pm 
 
ANationalAcrobat wrote:
StryckenFromHistory wrote:
You English and your poor grammar. It's okay since your country shat out Sabbath :)


Sorry what? Mom? Ha, I blame English schools for my terrible grammar. My grades have always been excellent, but my grammar is bad. I can't remember it ever being taught properly. Honestly, I've learnt more on Metal-Archives about grammar than at 13 years of school. Shocking really, I blame the fact that pupils are encouraged to learn how to pass exams rather than actually learn.


Yeah, English lessons always seem to focus on how to write fiction and understand media texts rather than teaching usefull grammer.
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ebulus
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:42 pm 
 
Manic616 wrote:
ANationalAcrobat wrote:
StryckenFromHistory wrote:
You English and your poor grammar. It's okay since your country shat out Sabbath :)


Sorry what? Mom? Ha, I blame English schools for my terrible grammar. My grades have always been excellent, but my grammar is bad. I can't remember it ever being taught properly. Honestly, I've learnt more on Metal-Archives about grammar than at 13 years of school. Shocking really, I blame the fact that pupils are encouraged to learn how to pass exams rather than actually learn.


Yeah, English lessons always seem to focus on how to write fiction and understand media texts rather than teaching usefull grammer.


This is the truth, back in High school english was about reading novels that I didn't care about. (Gone with the wind for f*ck sake?) and them writing some incredibly flowery essay about the "themes" behind the book. I would of much rather of learnt proper grammer than this tripe.
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Unholy_Asar
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:43 pm 
 
Manic616 wrote:
ANationalAcrobat wrote:
StryckenFromHistory wrote:
You English and your poor grammar. It's okay since your country shat out Sabbath :)


Sorry what? Mom? Ha, I blame English schools for my terrible grammar. My grades have always been excellent, but my grammar is bad. I can't remember it ever being taught properly. Honestly, I've learnt more on Metal-Archives about grammar than at 13 years of school. Shocking really, I blame the fact that pupils are encouraged to learn how to pass exams rather than actually learn.


Yeah, English lessons always seem to focus on how to write fiction and understand media texts rather than teaching usefull grammer.


I assume your english teachers at least had a basic understanding of english though, which is more than I can say about mine.

I had to learn close to all my english through computer games when I was a kid. :P One could say, that when i was younger I had a very odd english vocabulary as a result of this. :uh oh:
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Manic616
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:44 pm 
 
ebulus wrote:
This is the truth, back in High school english was about reading novels that I didn't care about. (Gone with the wind for f*ck sake?) and them writing some incredibly flowery essay about the "themes" behind the book. I would of much rather of learnt proper grammer than this tripe.


Yeah, luckly i have finished english finally so i dont have to put up with it. But it was always annoying listening to idiots talking about metaphors when i wanted to learn about stuff that was actually beneficial to my speech, which is something i care alot about.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:48 pm 
 
One thing which continually shames me about as native English speakers is our poor grasp of other languages. A lot of foreign countries seem to encourage learning other languages in a practical sense, which shows in a lot of reviewers and posters on this site. Whereas in England we just learn French and German to pass an exam, complete bollocks really... another failing of the British schooling system, I'm sure Margaret Thatcher is to blame... she usually is.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:49 pm 
 
Yeah, I finished the high school Japanese system(with incredibly high marks) but can't hold even a simple conversation in Japanese.
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Manic616
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:49 pm 
 
ANationalAcrobat wrote:
One thing which continually shames me about as native English speakers is our poor grasp of other languages. A lot of foreign countries seem to encourage learning other languages in a practical sense, which shows in a lot of reviewers and posters on this site. Whereas in England we just learn French and German to pass an exam, complete bollocks really... another failing of the British schooling system, I'm sure Margaret Thatcher is to blame... she usually is.


They never even teach any useful sentences either, its always simple stuff about time or food, even at experienced levels.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:54 pm 
 
Interestingly enough (or not), I'm brilliant at all this literary analysis my Lit classes were all about. I can see why you hate it, but I find waffly English Lit stuff rather enjoyable. I'm doing Literature at university, starting on the 12th.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:56 pm 
 
It just seemed pointless to me to be honest, I know a guy with a masters in English... works at the factory I work at during the weekends....
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Manic616
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:57 pm 
 
ANationalAcrobat wrote:
Interestingly enough (or not), I'm brilliant at all this literary analysis my Lit classes were all about. I can see why you hate it, but I find waffly English Lit stuff rather enjoyable. I'm doing Literature at university, starting on the 12th.


Yeah waffly English stuff is what makes being English so great, i have just never been a huge fan a reading fiction so it was utter hell for me.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:57 pm 
 
ebulus wrote:
It just seemed pointless to me to be honest, I know a guy with a masters in English... works at the factory I work at during the weekends....


:(

I'm going for my BA in English. The world needs editors and writers...and stuff!
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:59 pm 
 
Nahsil wrote:
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It just seemed pointless to me to be honest, I know a guy with a masters in English... works at the factory I work at during the weekends....


:(

I'm going for my BA in English. The world needs editors and writers...and stuff!

Agreed, I'm going for a degree in English myself. Or more probably, Creative Writing, with a minor in Journalism. Writing is my passion.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:01 pm 
 
Over here there are hundreds of people doing english, in my third year biochem classes there was maybe 20 people. There was only 3 guys in my class as well, Kiwi males are pretty lazy 60-70% of the university population is female
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:03 pm 
 
I'm going for a Masters in English (4 years!). Honestly, I don't care if it is of any practical relevance to my career or anything. I'm fortune and ignorant to live in my own little bubble... I like wordy, borderline pretentious analysis and such so English is perfect for me. But at Scottish universitys you get a choice of 2 other options so I needn't stick with English.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:04 pm 
 
If you are going for an english degree, I can give you a hint of how to make money. Write school textbooks, my uncle has an a degree in english and made millions in singapore that way
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:05 pm 
 
I have a friend who is great at english aswell as other academic subjects but hes throwing all that away to go to bible college so he can become a priest...or a vicar, i cant remember.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:17 pm 
 
ebulus wrote:
If you are going for an english degree, I can give you a hint of how to make money. Write school textbooks, my uncle has an a degree in english and made millions in singapore that way


In England its not that easy, the textbook are mainly from companies that specialize in textbooks and they are standard for schools across the country.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:18 pm 
 
Empyreal wrote:
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It just seemed pointless to me to be honest, I know a guy with a masters in English... works at the factory I work at during the weekends....


:(

I'm going for my BA in English. The world needs editors and writers...and stuff!

Agreed, I'm going for a degree in English myself. Or more probably, Creative Writing, with a minor in Journalism. Writing is my passion.


Same here, most likely. What college are you going to?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:23 pm 
 
Smoking_Gnu wrote:
Empyreal wrote:
Nahsil wrote:
ebulus wrote:
It just seemed pointless to me to be honest, I know a guy with a masters in English... works at the factory I work at during the weekends....


:(

I'm going for my BA in English. The world needs editors and writers...and stuff!

Agreed, I'm going for a degree in English myself. Or more probably, Creative Writing, with a minor in Journalism. Writing is my passion.


Same here, most likely. What college are you going to?

Flagler, in St. Agustine. It's a gorgeous place.
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Who are you Napero?

I am an atheistic finnish male engineer, 36 years old, mildly overweight, with a wife, three kids and a house in the woods in Espoo. I enjoy beer, food, military history and pissing off people whose sentences make little sense.
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God damn! GRAMMAR HAMMER strikes again!

Indeed. That sentence needs to be restructured to make sense in the way you meant. :P
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I must also add that Dick Dale's Checkered Flag album is awesome.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:31 pm 
 
I cannot stress the ignorance in this statement.

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They also frequently add extra noise with the synthesizers, which are just as pointless as the purpose of this album - except the point of adding an extra dimension of annoyance, if you want to call it a "point."
There are none in this album! Did he even listen to it!?! I question his ears and his motives for reviewing it.
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What's that thing at about 8 minutes into Funeralopolis, then?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:36 pm 
 
Napero wrote:
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Who are you Napero?

I am an atheistic finnish male engineer, 36 years old, mildly overweight, with a wife, three kids and a house in the woods in Espoo. I enjoy beer, food, military history and pissing off people whose sentences make little sense.
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God damn! GRAMMAR HAMMER strikes again!

Indeed. That sentence needs to be restructured to make sense in the way you meant. :P


Ha, yes it seems that sentence needed some more punctuation. Or perhaps, I was rephrasing a popular song by The Who? I don't think we'll ever know. I don't get pissed off by the grammar corrections. I'm mature enough not to be pissed off by the internet, though not quite mature enough not to laugh at Espoo.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:37 pm 
 
Kruel wrote:
What's that thing at about 8 minutes into Funeralopolis, then?
It's a flange effect, used to slow down one signal and play the exact same signal at normal speed. Its the only song to feature it and they do it to make it seem "spacey".
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:38 pm 
 
StryckenFromHistory wrote:
Kruel wrote:
What's that thing at about 8 minutes into Funeralopolis, then?
It's a flange effect, used to slow down one signal and play the exact same signal at normal speed. Its the only song to feature it and they do it to make it seem "spacey".


It sounds more like a phaser rather than a flange...just to nit-pick, but it does work in that section of the song.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:39 pm 
 
They use it in other places, too. Anyway, I admit that I was wrong about it being created by synths.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:40 pm 
 
Kruel wrote:
They use it in other places, too. Anyway, I admit that I was wrong about it being created by synths.
I think Weird Tales was the only other track to use it, if that one even used it.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:41 pm 
 
Barbarian 4:00, I, The Witchfinder 5:35 etc.

I really don't want to listen to that crap again just to find out more of these.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:42 pm 
 
Kruel wrote:
Barbarian 4:00


Thats barely noticable.
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Manic616 wrote:
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Barbarian 4:00


Thats barely noticable.


Not really.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:44 pm 
 
Kruel wrote:
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Thats barely noticable.


Not really.


Maybe the EQ on my speekers is different to yours then if you can easily pick that up.
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