This thread is interesting, to say the least. I wouldn't stop listening to a band just because one or more of the members was an asshole, but I would definitely never want to play with them. I've heard plenty of rumors and stories about Paul Ledney's supreme douchebaggery, but I still dig Profanatica/Havohej anyway.
However, one reason I like metal is that you find less of the cocky 'rock star' attitude that is prevalent in genres of pop/rock. There are a surprising amount of assholes in the local metal scene here, as soon as their band starts to pick up a little they suddenly grow massively disproportionate egos. Yeah we know you think you're the hottest thing since fresh shit, but you've never played outside of California and you're still essentially another Origin/BDM/JFAC clone, so please shut the fuck up.

Dave Mustaine in general fits here.

I saw Into Eternity opening for Symphony X and they were having sound problems and the singer was getting a bit angry; he started to introduce the next song and was like... "this next song is...Nothing!" and he turned around cuz the drummer stood up away from his kit to help with something.

I kinda laughed from the way he said it and and said to my friend, "they're not Meshuggah". Apparently he heard me (we were on the front rail like 3 feet from him) and he got up in my face and said, "Of course we're not Meshuggah motherfucker we play power metal!" I thought that was a bit of an overreation but whatever, I assume he didn't get the joke or doesn't know they have an album called "Nothing".

Yes, that was true. It was such bullshit. They're fucking assholes.

About the sexism issue. I suppose the term 'embrace women' was poorly chosen on my part. Support is a better word.

My peers at shows and concerts don't have to baby me... I suppose I look at the extreme music community, as just that, a community. You don't have to like everyone but we all have a common interest and shouldn't single out a gender and make them uncomfortable, especially when not necessary.

Yes, I listen to a lot of music with sexist connotations in the lyrics. I don't support it nor implement those values into my life... but it's an art and who am I to tell someone what they should/shouldn't do with their art?

I've been listening to metal for 12 years, obviously it's important enough to me to stick with it and I'm able to 'overlook' a lot of the sexism involved.

Is it too much to ask that I want to attend concerts, rage to riffs and not have band members (whom I'm supporting financially) refer to women as "sluts"?

There's some pretty massive dissonance in your views if you're fine with listening to music with sexist and misogynistic themes on record but it suddenly changes when it's live.

Uh, not really, in fact, it's pretty normal. I can enjoy violent films or music, and songs about war and death and gore, but that doesn't mean I would find that cool if I saw someone get dismembered in front of me.

Of all the retarded statements you have made, that has to be one of the worst.

I think Noktorn was referring to the last line:


SeriousBoner seems to imply that purely verbal issues are a problem, too -- but in that case the lyrics should also be a problem (and especially if the band is singing the songs with that type of lyrics live).

Absolutely dude.

So you're not going to address my point?

That's a totally false comparison. An accurate one would be lyrics about rape and seeing a rape in front of you, which is not what we're talking about. This is seeing Saving Private Ryan and then not liking a WWII veteran talking about his experiences.

EDIT: And it's not even THAT because it's easy to presume that misogynistic lyrics and similar statements live are both tongue in cheek.

A. In the year 2008 it is my opinion that the term "dude" is not gender specific. You don't go around calling your women friends "dudettes" now do you? If Morrigan has a problem with the term "dude" I should hope it would be addressed to me.

B. I have addressed your point by saying that lyrics are part of the art of music. I do not always agree with lyrical content, but neither do you.... unless that's just a vast assumption on my part... do you only listen to bands that you back 100% lyrically? There's a difference between lyrics to a song and someone referring to ticket holding women as "sluts" at their live show. I'd have to say that 90% of the time that I've heard men in music demeaning women in a non lyrical way it hasn't been theatrical it has just been a sign of ignorance and unthoughtful disrespect.

I thought Morrigan's example of violent films was a good one.

There are some bands that I listen to that have lyrical content involving necrophilia. Do you honestly believe that I condone or support necrophilia? Ha! I even work in a funeral home.

Point A was conceded even before you posted...

Point B:

That's not what we're talking about. Would you be offended if the band just said, not did, something necrophiliac live?

And what if the band plays the songs with misogynistic lyrics that you were okay with on record?

Everyone is different.
Personally I'm not offended by lyrical content.
I am offended by a band referring to their paying women fans in an audience as "sluts", I guess it would be different if they had referred to the men as something as demeaning, or maybe the audience as a whole? Perhaps that's hypocritical. Say what you will.

Well hey, if a band's lyrics demean women as a whole, why would a paying female fan of said band be offended by the same sentiment live? It doesn't make much sense.

Am I seriously the only person that realizes she's talking about stage-to-crowd banter and not lyrics?

No, I know she's talking about that. If Psyopus's lyrics don't contain any sort of sexist remarks, though, then yeah I'd understand why the whole "slut" stage-to-crowd would make her uncomfortable. My point was that if you're going to a show for a band that has misogynistic or sexist lyrics, you shouldn't be surprised when they start incorporating those themes into their banter.

Oh, I don't pay much attention to lyrics nowadays, especially with tech death bands like Psyopus. My bad, carry on.

EDIT: I can kind of see her point in how it's unfair, but there is no point in whining about it, it's not gonna change. If I was exactly the same person with exactly the same taste, but I was black... yeah, it would suck that I wouldn't be able to see Arghoslent, and in a perfect world it's all about love of the music so it shouldn't matter, but this isn't a perfect world, so things like that will happen. It all depends on whether or not you want to put up with it.

You're emphasizing the 'paying' part a lot, but in theory you're 'paying' to be called a slut in lyrics too. Either the band's sentiment is real or it isn't; if it is, you wouldn't want to buy the record either, and if it isn't, you wouldn't mind it live. That's where the conflict stems from.

He sort of has a point, someone who doesn't like being called a slut probably would do well by not supporting that sort of music with money, particularly if the band holds such views and is reflecting them through their lyrics. Then again, being a Christian and having recently taking a liking to Burzum's music and Emperor's early stuff probably puts me in a similar state of dissonance, although I can't say I'm ever going to come face to face with Varg or Faust.

I wasn't trying to say that you should change your mind or something... I was just asking for reasons, since it was a bit puzzling. If you can provide no explanation as to why the lyrical content does not offend you (besides the fact that it is "part of an art," which explains little, if at all), then fine.

And no, it wouldn't be hypocritical for you to be okay with anti-male statements, since it is natural for people to be more offended by the idea that directly concerns themselves out of a given set of two ideas, even if they disagree with both ideas.

Good point.

2 others.
If I weeded out all of the sexism in the music I listen to I'd probably have a pretty sad record collection, makes me feel like a hypocrite at times but just can't get over those badass riffs haha.
Also that particular show was a Melt Banana show, Psyopus was an opener. I was financially supporting Melt Banana and intend to do so in the future.

Can we have more discussion about douchebag bands and not why they shouldn't use sexist lyrics and all that offtopicness of the thread?

Yeah I agree. If you want to talk about sexism make another thread for it.

Slipknot has the most douche bags I have ever seen in any band by far. They were being interviewed one time, and me, not liking the band in the least bit, wanted to watch them make fools of themselves, in which they did. They started saying how people judge them all the time and they are all like "We don't even fucking care! They are all stupid bitches is what they are! They can go suck a cock!" And I am watching, thinking "Holy fucking irony, Batman." Then they just started throwing shit around for no apparent reason, perhaps just to look real cool or tough, but I don't see how it makes them cool, they just look like morons. They seriously need to grow up. Not to mention, something that just really annoys me about the lead singer is he is obsessed about growing up in Iowa, saying he had a hard time there and he goes through more than anyone else. Bullshit, nothing real bad even happens in Iowa! Even if he did, why fucking brag about it? lol

Not surprised at all. Those guys are total jackasses. For a while they were talking shit about Derek Roddy(the drummer of Nile, Hate Eternal and Serpent's Rising among others) saying that he auditioned for the band but didn't make the cut, which is utter bullshit as Derek Roddy has made it very clear that he wants nothing to do with the music industry any more. God I hate that band.

Woah, I must be behind. Derek Roddy isn't playing professionally anymore? Since when?

Are you talking about Necrophagist? Because the dude didn't know the band's name

Wait... what? I'm pretty sure we're still bitching about Psyopus thinking they are kings.

Ah jeez, I misread your comment completely it seems. I'm sorry about the confusion and it seems Psyopus are really dicks after all

it is completeley true, seth putnam deserved it.

I heard that chris Barnes and Glen Benton are huge douchebags and are good at whining and ruining shows, though I dont have any specific examples of them doing it. As far as bands I have seen that were douchebags, American head Charge (my friend who is real into nu-metal bands made me go) takes the cake, the whole show they were insulting the crowd and were almost constantly spitting and hocking loogies in the crowd. The lead singer even said at the end of the show something to the effect of "If any of you want to hang out with us after the show or ever want to see us again, Ill be very surprised". lol oh yeah they did seig heils on the stage too.

Too little, much too late. That's like essentially saying: "In retrospect, everything I have done until right now was poorly considered, if at all." A curious way to handle things.

After he quit Hate Eternal he posted a message saying that he didn't want anything to do with record labels or "the biz" anymore. Since then he did do one Today is the Day record but that was self released by Steve Austin I think. He still does some drum clinic type things every once and a while, like the Modern Drummer Fest, but he's mostly living off of snake breeding these days.

Douchebag bands?


I'd have to go with Limp Bizkit hands down--just for being Limp Bizkit.

On the most recent Obituary/Unleashed tour, Ralph Santolla has joined Obituary after leaving Deicide and I saw him walking around outside the venue chain smoking like 40 cigarettes and chugging beers and I decided to walk up to him with my friend; we got pictures etc, but my friend decided to ask some questions about Glen and Deicide in general. He said something to the effect, "Glen can be your best friend or the biggest asshole in the world, and lately all I see of Glen is his side where he's the biggest faggot. I'll never play with him again".

I've never met any bands or band members that have acted like douches to me, but I would say based on several interviews that I've seen or read that Vivian Campbell is a total douche. All the guy ever does anymore is bitch about how slavish he felt when he was in Dio and how much better he feels playing rhythm guitar in Def Leppard now.

Here is a video of Ronnie Dio giving his response to all the shit Vivian's been saying about him, and frankly I think he's well justified.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOwZBo8FQvo

Even if it wasn't completely true, Putnam deserved it. Judging from other people's opiniona and interviews, the guy is a total asshole. Although, that's what he is trying to accomplish.

I would say Eviscerated, an obscure swedish death metal band. I didn't know about the band until I saw them when they opened for Dismember a couple of months ago. Musically they played ok but the performance over all was stale and boring. The singer jumped around like he was on fire, but the rest of the band didn't move a muscle, they could just as well been carved out of a rock. I said this on another swedish forum I'm active on, where one of the Eviscerated members also are (where) active. He couldn't take my criticism and called me an idiot. I realize it was just one of the members, but I really hate bands who can't take criticism and think they are the best most br00thal fucking band on the planet.

Care to share these?

I forgot to add one thing in my Paul Ledney story. The session drummer for the band was left handed, and had his drums set up completely backwards to accomidate. Ledney was to play the outro for the band, which is slow, and extremely easy to play. I could play it...but he bitched and moaned to the session drummer, saying "how am I supposed to play like this? blah blah blah." You've been drumming for over 20 years. You figure it out.

Walk out. She did the right thing. She walked out, and that's all you can really do with asshole bands like these. If you don't agree, stop listening to them, don't support them. My suggestion is you walk up to the guys afterwards, if possible, and tell them they are bogus assholes, and that you will stop listening to their shitty music, and that you don't appreciate how they treat their fans.