Hey man, the lady can listen to whatever she wants. She payed for a ticket to hear music, not to get insulted.

You've got to have thicker skin if you're going to concerts. Bands aren't always exactly PC or family-friendly in their stage banter. Generally, though, they're just messing around and don't mean any true harm.

virgin

The funny thing is that pseudodraconis is a chick and probably gets more than all of you.

Metal doesn't have to be feminine or appealing to women. However, metal communities should be more tolerant of female metalheads. Those are two completely different things, even if strongly masculine music obviously tends to appeal to misogynistic douchebags.

You wish you had some balls, don't you? Do you peg Noktorn, by any chance?

Again with the offtopic posts..

Hahaha, whatever happened to that asshole?

To make mrchris happy I'll post something a bit more on topic. Here in Athens they have this DIY Hardcore/punk/sometimes some thrash Fest called For Real Fest so there are obviously gonna be a lot of obnoxious self-righteous punks who won't shut up about "SUPPORT THE SCENE," etc.

So this one band got up there, I believe they were called Unrestrained, and goes on this huge tirade about how this fest was for everyone who "didn't belong" and for everyone who felt like they had been left out, etc. But before they started their set the vocalist like called out the vocalist of another band who had said that he hates talking before songs. So this guy goes on a 5 minute monologue about how talking before songs is the punk thing to do and that if you have a message in your music you HAVE to talk before your songs and that if you don't like talking before your songs "you don't belong here" when he had before said that this show was for everyone who "didn't belong."

Why not ask him? He's here with the username SepticTomb.

I don't know about you but I more than welcome female metalheads. I think it's kinda sad going to a metalgig and there's about 95% guys there, and the very few girls are mostly some dudes girlfriend who just tags along and aren't really into the band. The only thing I don't welcome is girls in the moshpits, because I don't want to hurt them.

The Derek Roddy issue has to be fake. I mean, he can play much better alone than what those 9 (yeah, fucking NINE) idiots can play together, for hundreds of years.

More tolerant? Are you kidding? They should dominate the genre! Chicks rule! I'm looking for a girlfriend and it's ridiculously hard to find one outside metal. So keep the girls coming!

are you ladies surprised there's sexism at shows??

half of them go to the shows dressed like hookers

what about that?



and the other thing

you ladies realize that all those young bands with the emo haircuts are YOUR FAULT, right? Who do you think they're trying to impress?


I know there are girls who are into the music for real. . . . .but I've only met 5 or 6 personally.
There's a majority that make y'all look bad.
(and people like Juliya are included in that. . .and any of these girls on myspace with names like "Mindy Massacre". . .it's all for attention)


as for douchebag bands
this was this band from Belgium called Arkangel. They played Philly one time and not only screwed over the promoter royally, also trashed his house or something. The whole city wanted to kill them. They might still actually. I don't know though.

I've heard so much shit about Liferuiner, I don't even know where to start.
They're apparently getting back together now too ?!?). Talk about burning bridges.

Ace Frehley from KISS. He superglued every piece of furniture in his hotel room to the ceiling. There's also rumours of him driving a sports car down a freeway in reverse.

Yeah but that doesn't make him a douchebag. It just makes him pure fucking awesome.

This is true. Charlie Watts from the Rolling Stones too: punched Mick Jagger in the face and nearly threw him out of a window for referring to him as "my drummer". I believe his exact words were "Don't you ever refer to me as "my drummer" again: you're my fucking singer."

I wish somebody'd do something like that to Megadave.

Yeah but it's slightly different with Mustaine, because Megadeth is truly HIS band. The Rolling Stones were never Jagger's band, despite him gaining the most fame.

As far as my definition of the masculinity of heavy metal in relation to its female fans. I like the fact that I can view it as a male dominated thing, seeing as I can relate to it more, but the more chicks the merrier. Metal girls rule. I don't like political correctness in my metal, but as far as the misogynistic tirade onstage goes, I wouldn't want to hear about that anymore than I would want to hear racism. Metal has always been more about ideologically jarring its audience, not things that they have no control over. You have control over your thoughts and beliefs, therefore I feel criticism of religion and intolerance for that holds way more water than anything else.

Douchebag bands eh? The first that comes into my mind is a really trendy deathcore band called Born of Osiris who is from my immediate area. Me and a bunch of my buddies go to see Enslaved and Arsis back last November, The Faceless was also on this bill so they attracted a slew of scenesters and with that, their kings, the dudes in Born of Osiris.

The show rolls on, The Faceless finally get onstage, my drunkenly enraged friend flings a beer bottle at The Faceless's bass player. It nails him straight in the head (pretty funny, but also really lame to do that to a band, no matter how shitty) The bass player starts bitching and threatens to kick my ass when I try to intervene and resolve the whole situation. All the fans there were pretty tense. Nothing happens, just words exchanged. A week or two later, there's a rumor going around that I got my ass "BEATEN TO A BLOODY FUCKIN PULP" at the show courtesy of the guys in Born of Osiris. Which was odd, because either it had happened while I had mysteriously slipped into a coma, or it happened in an alternate universe, seeing as I have no memory of that. I approach them on it at a local show, they seem very skiddish and uneasy, despite my friendly disposition. After that, I find out that they said that I didn't show to that particular gig because I was afraid of "round 2." Grade A douchecunts.

I've heard rumors that the guitar players in Mortiis trashed some really expensive amps or monitors on purpose, in a club they played in once. Can't know for sure that it's true though.

"Unfortunately we had to remove french metallers BLASPHEME from the KEEP IT TRUE 11 billing, cause the band suddenly wanted to have the triple amount of money to the amount that was checked out with their management and so we had to remove them from the billing."

You get the chance to play in one of the sweetest line-ups ever and what do you do? You accept, but then later on decide you want three times more money. After your management and the organization say that's not possible, you ignore them and choose not to play. Sounds logical ...

Bands seem to forget they aren't as important as the places they play. These places do not need them.

Especially when said place is Keep It True - probably the hands-down best underground metal festival EVER. If somebody had Omen, Jag Panzer, Attacker, Helstar AND Heathen on one billing (and yes I was there) they do not need Blaspheme.

This one had Artillery, Flots and Jets, Girlschool, Nasty Savage, Tokyo Blade, Forte, etc ... seems like a stunt intelligent people would pull off. In opposite world.

What a bunch of turds. I've noticed that only pure douchebags play in deathcore bands. I guess you have to be a douche to make music that horrible.

I saw the locust back when I thought bathing in shit was novel, and they played for about 20 minutes, and then said "Fuck Houston" and left. They aren't metal or grindcore, but they are total fuckwads.

How about Glenn Benton, he's a good singer, and all for a death metal band, but a total douchebag

When Captain Beefheart rehearsed for the recording of "Trout Mask Replica", he forced his Magic Band to live in his house for 8 months without ever leaving; except one person could go at a time to get food (which wasn't very often). They had to practice upwards of 14 hours a day. Drummer John French (AKA "Drumbo") described the whole ordeal as "cultlike". However I think this douchebaggery can be forgiven as it resulted in such a remarkable album.

Sounds like typical Locust, though not in a derogatory way. Provoking the audience is their thing, though I don't think they do it because they're assholes. From the interviews of them that I've read they seem like pretty intelligent, well-adjusted people, just they have strange ways of entertaining themselves. I'm not quite so sure about what they do regularly onstage, but some of the offstage pranks they've pulled are rather interesting.

Anyways, I went to a show yesterday and the guitarists of one of the bands had this extremely cocky look on his face, as if he didn't want to be there or he thought the audience was a bunch of dicks (somewhat true as the crowd that gathers there is pretty terrible). Also, when the singer asked him to say a couple words about the song he wrote which was dedicated to some girl, he flatly refused. Rather dickheaded behavior if you ask me.

What about that, indeed? I certainly don't and neither do any of my female friends and acquaintances.

I do see a few attention whores around sometimes. Then again, the most annoying, obnoxious idiots I've seen at concerts were all guys (and almost always drunk).


I reject your premise. Neither I, nor any woman I know, is responsible for the ugly haircuts any moron decides to get. Perhaps you think guys are so weak-willed, that they are not responsible for their own actions and cannot resist peer pressure. That would be sexism against males, though.

The odd female dressed like a hooker is no excuse for any level of sexism. The number of these females is, in my experience, rather low anyways.

That statement is wrong on so many levels . According to that logic, it's men's fault that these females that you mentioned dress like hookers, too.

Are you implying that they deserve to be targets of sexism because they don't actually like metal, and appear to approve of metal imagery for the sake of attention? I hope that's not it and I just missed your point entirely.

I think I will have to sig this.

I think I'd chalk that up to Beefheart being a complete maniac more than being a jerk. And to be honest, I wouldn't mind trying that approach to practicing some time in the future.

Well as far as the club owner is concerned, they lived up to their name.

I love this thread. Can it be moved to the Metal Forum so there could be more views and responses. Most of the details relate to metal bands anyhow so that would make it relavent.

if they're gonna be such obvious tryhards, what do they expect??

stereotypes exist because there is truth to them.

you average dude is pretty weak. . . .especially young ones. That shit gets you groupies. There wouldn't be so many of those kids if not.

actually, quite a bit of it is a youth problem. All those little kids have rockstar fantasies.

I don't know where you're from, but every show I go to in the general new York area the amount of girls in short skirts and low cut shirts, compared to the amount of girls dressed normally is quite a big difference.
Maybe it's just the east coast. I see a lot of Metal Sanaz wannabes around these parts.
I'm just calling it as I see it.

Maybe it's just too cold in Montreal for girls to do that

chicks who listen to metal are great, as long as they genuinely appreciate the music and not just use it to sleep with each member of said band, plus the sound guys.

I was going through my girlfriend's ipod one day and she had Anata, Beheaded, Mirrorthrone, Lord Gore and Machetazo. surprised the fucking shit out of me, considering I only showed her Dying Fetus and took her to see Vader.

kmfcm: Since you're nothing but a troll and fail to counter any arguments I made, I'll ignore you from here on.

I read about Jon Schaffer being a complete douchebag to In Flames, and apparently Anders Fridén especially. This was during their 2002 tour in North America. Schaffer called the band members names, talked crap about Europeans and Swedes (which is pretty weird) and apparently he complained all the time.

Also, From Seth Putnam's wikipedia page:
Jamey Jasta appears to be quite a douchebag too.

Putnam also had some beef with Pig Destroyer and Cannibal Corpse which I find hilarious. He seems like a genuinely tough guy who doesn't care about his music or what he does in reality.