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KingVold
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 11:00 pm 
 

Hircine wrote:
Bezerko wrote:
Blood and Honour still pulls a good 1000 at their larger events in the U.K, so it's not like the United Kingdom is a shining beacon of antifa.

The lack of NSBM there is quite interesting though.


In my view this is a good thing. While I do think that bands like Landser should be allowed to say what they say, I'm not going to care much if they get chucked into jail.


Wouldn't that be like a USBM band singing about Capitalism and Democracy?
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Acidgobblin wrote:
I refuse to listen to a genre using an onamatapoeiac descriptor.

Motion to change "Death Metal" to "EEURRRGHHH"

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STO
Mallcore Kid

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 11:03 pm 
 

Woolie_Wool wrote:
There's a big difference between a positive allegiance to a concept or being (Satan) that fewer and fewer Europeans even believe in, much less take seriously, and a negative statement railing against a very real ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, or similar group of people. People blathering about Satan do not fall under any sort of hate speech because Satan is a meaningless concept to a secular government.




Are you kidding?

The MSM has a long history of negative statements/propaganda/slander, railing against many groups and nations when it tries to convince the American people of the need to support military aggression againt some unfortunate nation like for example Iraq, Serbia, Afghanistan, etc. These military attacks result in the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians, yet the MSM is never held accountable for the lies they promote for the government.

Attacks on Christians and Muslims are not only tolerated but encouraged in modern western society, while any perceived even slightly negative view regarding jewish behaviour {even when it is criminal} is condemned and the 'offender' is literally crucified.

Hate speech laws are criminal and tyrannical, there is absolutely no justification for them and the only purpose they serve is to stifle debate about important issues and to criminalize thought. These so called laws go againt everything that western civilization is meant to represent. The question needs to be asked, what are these people who push these laws afraid of? What is the agenda which is being served by these laws? Who benefits from the imposition of such laws?
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NeglectedField
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 2:50 pm 
 

MaDTransilvanian wrote:
I'm pretty sure that there are a hell of a lot of (white) brits who are pissed off about that same multiculturalism. That said, maybe they're just intelligent enough to avoid spreading their ideas in a radical and self-destructive way.


Well, I'm pissed off about multiculturalism myself - it's incompatible with a true sense of comradeship that this country needs because we currently have no binding values apart from getting on with our own lives and being good consumers. There's a chasm of difference between expressing disdain towards multiculturalism and expressing hatred for other ethnicities, but unfortunately zealous loser far-leftists are making sure that people don't learn to make the distinction.

You are right though, most folkish UK bands are intelligent enough to not make it a case of 'hate' but a matter of introducing something positive - a pride and preservation of history and heritage. That's a universally applicable principle: true cultures against homogenizing globalism. That sentiment isn't just held by NS sorts, just read Alan Nemtheanga of Primordial's rants.
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MaDTransilvanian
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 2:20 am 
 

Indeed, bands like Primordial, Enslaved, Windir, Nagura Bunget and all bands which feature in their work an aspect of their country's culture (as well as more politically pronounced bands like Drudkh, Hate Forest, Temnozor, etc) are much better and have a much more positive effect on their ideals and their struggle than radicals such as Aryan Terrorism, Der Sturmer and their ilk (who pretty much share the same ideals but talk about them a way that's somewhat self-damaging).

In the end though, you're right about the fact that most leftists make no difference between moderates and radicals when it comes to people who don't agree with all that multiculturalist/egalitarian bullshit they spew forth.

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hakarl
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 8:40 am 
 

MaDTransilvanian wrote:
(as well as more politically pronounced bands like Drudkh,
Whoops!

Drudkh wrote:
The absence of any comments or information from DRUDKH's side gave an opening to a few ignorant internet warrior-fans to spread rumors, that the band embraces some extreme political views. This is absolutely misleading and a total profanation, since there is nothing in DRUDKH's music or lyrics that would suggest any political outlook. DRUDKH praise individualism, self-improvement and estrangement from modern values.
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Bezerko
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 8:50 am 
 

I think MaDTransilvanian was just referring to the members themselves and their Hate Forest connection, rather than the Drudkh entity.

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imb
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 12:34 pm 
 

Can people stop saying 'the people of Europe' , it is really beginning to piss me off. Most of these laws are enacted by morons who don't represent the views of the majority of the public. Where I live people of all different backgrounds express their distaste for political correctness and a lot of what is happening with regards to immigration. So for people from other countries, most often yanks, to generalise an entire continent, one which they most likely haven't been to, to get their snippets of information from right wing newspapers, and then go on about how we are all so guilt laden about expressing our minds is complete and utter bullshit. Europe is not one homogeneous zone, I have family in Poland, and quite frankly, they are racist, and I'm certain there's not any enforced constraints in terms of what say there. I too am not going to be arrested and sodomised by the police force for expressing my opinion in the UK. I'm confident I can say what I want as I'm going about my business, the only possible backlash will be people staring at me funny. That's not to say that there isn't a bunch of silly laws that ought to be appealed, but I certainly am not repressed.

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STO
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 9:40 pm 
 

HATE BILL INTRODUCED INTO CONGRESS!

http://www.truthtellers.org/alerts/hate ... uced09.htm
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PlagueRages
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:47 pm 
 

NeglectedField wrote:
MaDTransilvanian wrote:
I'm pretty sure that there are a hell of a lot of (white) brits who are pissed off about that same multiculturalism. That said, maybe they're just intelligent enough to avoid spreading their ideas in a radical and self-destructive way.


Well, I'm pissed off about multiculturalism myself - it's incompatible with a true sense of comradeship that this country needs because we currently have no binding values apart from getting on with our own lives and being good consumers. There's a chasm of difference between expressing disdain towards multiculturalism and expressing hatred for other ethnicities, but unfortunately zealous loser far-leftists are making sure that people don't learn to make the distinction.

You are right though, most folkish UK bands are intelligent enough to not make it a case of 'hate' but a matter of introducing something positive - a pride and preservation of history and heritage. That's a universally applicable principle: true cultures against homogenizing globalism. That sentiment isn't just held by NS sorts, just read Alan Nemtheanga of Primordial's rants.


Excellently put. And on MaDTransilvanians point there are of course white british people who dislike multiculturalism but it's those who are simply racist towards other ethnicities (whilst using the guise of an anti-multicultural argument) that have contributed to this stupid PC climate that criticising multiculturalism=hate speech. This has of course been seized upon my far leftists as Neglected Field said and exploited to their advantage to stifle criticism of multi-culturalism.

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