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PrinceofEmptiness
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 4:41 pm 
 

deathmetalpwnz wrote:
How am I wrong? Romero's stuff is boring as fuck, totally overrated and couldn't end up any worse.

How the fuck is Romero's stuff boring? He is the only zombie movie director to have a consistently good or even decent career.
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The original "Dawn of the Dead" is without doubt in my top five favourites of all time, so the idea of attempting to watch the 'modern' remake of it is about as appealing as watching my loved ones being raped in front of me. Same with "Halloween", another total classic which I have no desire to see somebody else's half-baked interpretation of. It was perfect to begin with, so don't fuck around unless you know what you're doing!

Remakes like "The Fly" and "The Thing" were worthwhile because they both took the original concept of the film and ran with it an an intelligent way, updating not only the visual aspect of the film but also providing a genuinely new artistic insight onto the old material. There's nothing necessarily wrong with remakes I guess, but most of the time they're just done as an excuse to make a quick buck without having to bother writing any new or insightful content. Anyone see the remake of "The Omen"? What a completely fucking pointless waste of time and resources that was. Somebody needs a slap for that one.

Thank FUCK they scrapped the remake of "Rosemary's Baby" though. If they'd actually gone through with it I wouldn't have been responsible for my actions.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 6:29 pm 
 

Remakes are pretty much always worse, but the cheesy dialogue and terrible effects of older horrors are definitely not aging well either. There needs to be a wave of actually good modern horrors immediately.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:41 pm 
 

Let's hope that they NEVER remake THE EXORCIST. Now that would be a real cinematic tragedy.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:56 pm 
 

The common paradox of remakes is that critics inevitably compare it to the original. Simultaneously, filmmakers have also taken liberties considered downright wrong, which is understandable.

I just recently bought the Wizard of Gore remake. WoG is often considered H.G. Lewis' Magnum Opus, along with Blood Feast. Critics naturally griped that the inclusion of the SuicideGirls as the Wizard's victims was gratuitous. But then again, I respond, "It's a H.G. Lewis film; how good could the original have been?!" I do agree with them in that I really didn't like the metro-Montag; I preferred him with a thick mustache. To add, Glover's Montag jarred my eyes with his white clothes. The character looked better in red.

Those aesthetic complaints aside, it was an okay film...if a bit corny towards the end. As far as the ending is concerned...meh; I wasn't too impressed with its epilogue.

If I were to assign it a grade, I'd give it a 65/100. Passable, but only for those interested and those whom want to see the remake.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:57 pm 
 

Funny, I would have given the original the same score that you gave the remake. It really wasn't that great of a movie. :p
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:59 pm 
 

Empyreal wrote:
Funny, I would have given the original the same score that you gave the remake. It really wasn't that great of a movie. :p


(nods in agreement)

Like I said, "It's an H.G. Lewis movie; how good could it have possibly been?!"

WoG is horribly dated to begin with.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:04 pm 
 

Horned_Owl_Holocaust wrote:
Remakes are pretty much always worse, but the cheesy dialogue and terrible effects of older horrors are definitely not aging well either. There needs to be a wave of actually good modern horrors immediately.


idk i think that the bad aging adds a whole different level of entertainment. To me they almost become parodies of themselves and are great for a laugh. But on the other hand some of the gore effects do hold up well. Like the shot gun scene in "Maniac." Its kind of cool to see when so much relies on CG these days.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:07 pm 
 

fluff987 wrote:
Horned_Owl_Holocaust wrote:
Remakes are pretty much always worse, but the cheesy dialogue and terrible effects of older horrors are definitely not aging well either. There needs to be a wave of actually good modern horrors immediately.


idk i think that the bad aging adds a whole different level of entertainment. To me they almost become parodies of themselves and are great for a laugh. But on the other hand some of the gore effects do hold up well. Like the shot gun scene in "Maniac." Its kind of cool to see when so much relies on CG these days.


And what about the ones that don't become dated? The Exorcist, Halloween, Black Christmas, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, et cetera.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 5:43 pm 
 

I heard that there is going to be a remake of A Nightmare On Elm Street. I seriously hope they don't. It's one the greatest horror movies ever and deserves to be left alone.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 7:43 pm 
 

DeadXManiac wrote:
I heard that there is going to be a remake of A Nightmare On Elm Street. I seriously hope they don't. It's one the greatest horror movies ever and deserves to be left alone.

:nono:
If that's true, then.... something. Something BAD, possibly involving spikes and anal tracts.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 7:44 pm 
 

ANOES is pretty overrated, but to remake it would be a crime - NOBODY can outdo Mr. Englund as Freddy!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 8:53 am 
 

DeadXManiac wrote:
I'm one of the few people that enjoyed Rob Zombies remake of Halloween. It was more interesting and had more of a story than the original IMO.
I also enjoyed The Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake.
same here. I thought the remake of Halloween was fantastic.

The remake of Dawn of The Dead wasn't horrible..but i prefer the original :D

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 1:07 pm 
 

Horror remakes are an abomination to cinema and only hinder the United States from ever creating anything innovative (sans films like Saw or Cabin Fever, though not great, still were 'new' to this lackluster industry). How would we have ever gotten great films from Carpenter, Raimi, or Romero (to name a few) if all they did was remake older films at the time? To me, it is the one deterrent that makes it impossible for me to enjoy unoriginal American horror. As Juan Bayona, director of the stylistic suspense thriller El Orfanato, put it in response to his film being remade by New Line Cinema: "The American industry doesn't take chances, that's why they make remakes of movies that were already big hits." Movies revamped with loads of cheap thrills and scares to cash in...

It's all right, I will stick to Argento and the classics.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 1:40 pm 
 

Empyreal wrote:
fluff987 wrote:
Horned_Owl_Holocaust wrote:
Remakes are pretty much always worse, but the cheesy dialogue and terrible effects of older horrors are definitely not aging well either. There needs to be a wave of actually good modern horrors immediately.


idk i think that the bad aging adds a whole different level of entertainment. To me they almost become parodies of themselves and are great for a laugh. But on the other hand some of the gore effects do hold up well. Like the shot gun scene in "Maniac." Its kind of cool to see when so much relies on CG these days.


And what about the ones that don't become dated? The Exorcist, Halloween, Black Christmas, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, et cetera.


I think "The Exorcist" is a bit "dated" (I really hate this term) for me, personally. It used to be a favourite of mine, but the more I watch it the less I become convinced and the more the catholic agenda seems to become apparent. I don't think this movie will be remade because it's already been copied so many times by other filmakers who simply slapped a different name on their knock-off.

Edit; Witchfinder, I saw your namesake movie over the weekend! Anyway, I agree with you, but I would like to point out that "Cabin Fever"" is a Canadian movie.
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I'm not sure what to think about this topic. I like some classics, especially if we're talking about horror movies, but I like some remakes, too. You just shouldn't worry about it. I think it's nice to see an old movie from a different view, but if you can't live with that, why don't you just ignore the movie? For example, I did like the "Dawn of the Dead" remake. Also, I do like the original "Dawn of the Dead", and I'm glad they did the remake, so I can enjoy it. On the other hand, I can't stand the "Halloween" remake, but why shouldn't I just ignore the remake of Cock Zombie?

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primatepower wrote:
I'm not sure what to think about this topic. I like some classics, especially if we're talking about horror movies, but I like some remakes, too. You just shouldn't worry about it. I think it's nice to see an old movie from a different view, but if you can't live with that, why don't you just ignore the movie? For example, I did like the "Dawn of the Dead" remake. Also, I do like the original "Dawn of the Dead", and I'm glad they did the remake, so I can enjoy it. On the other hand, I can't stand the "Halloween" remake, but why shouldn't I just ignore the remake of Cock Zombie?


Well, imagine if you were a huge Metallica fan, and suddenly Trivium decided that they were going to release an album that was "Master of Puppets", but done entirely their way .. a tribute to their biggest influence, if you will.. Maybe this would amuse you and you wouldn't care that suddenly a whole bunch of teens would be running around saying, "yeah, that trivium album "Master of Puppets" kicks so much ass, dude!" and completely disregarding the original, but my guess is that on some level you'd be pretty put off. I liken re-making movies to re-writing old novels to make them fit with the times, and it is a deplorable ideas as far as I'm concerned. Why even bother? I just don't see the purpose .. do what Stephen King does and write new stories that harken very clearly and obviously to your influences, and talk about them often. Quentin Tarentino has made a whole career out of this.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:42 pm 
 

Torwilligous wrote:
DeadXManiac wrote:
I heard that there is going to be a remake of A Nightmare On Elm Street. I seriously hope they don't. It's one the greatest horror movies ever and deserves to be left alone.

:nono:
If that's true, then.... something. Something BAD, possibly involving spikes and anal tracts.


I'm almost 100% positive that there is a ANOES remake in the works. The Friday the 13th remake is coming out soon, and classics like Halloween, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, and Dawn of the Dead have all been remade (or "reimagined"). There is no reason not to expect a ANOES remake to happen.

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Abominatrix wrote:
I think "The Exorcist" is a bit "dated" (I really hate this term) for me, personally. It used to be a favourite of mine, but the more I watch it the less I become convinced and the more the catholic agenda seems to become apparent. I don't think this movie will be remade because it's already been copied so many times by other filmakers who simply slapped a different name on their knock-off.





Dated? Thats like saying that Altars Of Madness, Reign In Blood or Pleasure To Kill are 'dated'. Timeless classics like these never get old and will never be forgotten.

You are right about the Catholic agenda though, but who cares? I most certainly dont. The Exorcist will never 'age' as quite simply it is the greatest horror film ever made, it is the film which set the standard, a blueprint for a million inferior copies and rip offs. This film disturbed an entire generation, people were running out of the cinemas screaming, crying, some were even collapsing and had to be taken out. The scenes on its release in Dec 1973 were something to behold for NEVER had a movie received such a reaction before and never since. Of course toaday the average idiot is so jaded and something like this can never happen again but thats beside the point. the fact is that there is no other film which can even come close to The Exorcist in my opinion. The amazing acting, mood and atmosphere of this film cannot be matched or recreated and thats a good thing for it shows the quality and influence of the film.

The reason Im against a remake is because we all know that the producers would attempt to up the ante with the gore for a “newer” audience and this would completely destroy the film. Also the atmosphere of the movie would be impossible to create today and I dont see anyone of the current actors in Hymiewood who would be able to put in such a performance as the original cast.

The Exorcist is the only film that ever scared me when I was young and I have seen nearly every 'horror' film ever made, none of which even slightly frightened or disturbed me.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 1:46 am 
 

Abominatrix wrote:
Edit; Witchfinder, I saw your namesake movie over the weekend! Anyway, I agree with you, but I would like to point out that "Cabin Fever"" is a Canadian movie.


Great film - Vincent Price was and still is a true horror icon (Christopher Lee as well!) I'm a HUGE sucker for the Hammer Horror and Corman classics.

However, Cabin Fever is definitely an American release directed by Eli Roth, born in Massachusetts.

Here is a source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabin_Fever_(film)

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I think "The Exorcist" is a bit "dated" (I really hate this term) for me, personally. It used to be a favourite of mine, but the more I watch it the less I become convinced and the more the catholic agenda seems to become apparent. I don't think this movie will be remade because it's already been copied so many times by other filmakers who simply slapped a different name on their knock-off.


I do agree with you about the Catholic agenda. I saw in the documentary that William Blatty, who wrote the novel, intended this story to have deep Catholic and religious roots to make viewers fearful of such 'satanic forces' subliminally shoving a message down your throat. However, this film is quite creepy; there is no denying that. The Exorcist III was surprisingly good after the sequel (The Heretic). :tongue:

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 10:54 am 
 

William Peter Blatty is a devout Catholic, so the Catholic agenda in "The Exorcist" should be no surprise.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:19 pm 
 

Has anyone seem the new Omen film?
It has some ok reviews i'm thinking about giving it a watch.

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Buried_Death wrote:
Has anyone seem the new Omen film?
It has some ok reviews i'm thinking about giving it a watch.


I haven't seen it, but I've heard that it was just a straight remake of the original. Most of the reviews I read were bad.

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TadGhostal wrote:
Buried_Death wrote:
Has anyone seem the new Omen film?
It has some ok reviews i'm thinking about giving it a watch.


I haven't seen it, but I've heard that it was just a straight remake of the original. Most of the reviews I read were bad.


It is a straight remake; very pointless - just stick with the original. It's almost as bad as when Gus Van Sant remade Psycho - frame for frame, line for line.

TadGhostal wrote:
William Peter Blatty is a devout Catholic, so the Catholic agenda in "The Exorcist" should be no surprise.


We're not saying it's a huge surprise, more so that the message is blatant and obviously annoying hindering you from enjoying the film to its full potential.
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TadGhostal wrote:
Buried_Death wrote:
Has anyone seem the new Omen film?
It has some ok reviews i'm thinking about giving it a watch.


I haven't seen it, but I've heard that it was just a straight remake of the original. Most of the reviews I read were bad.


I think i'll give it a miss.

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I didn't mind the Dawn of the Dead remake. I view it as more of a comedy than a horror film though. Shit, it had Richard Cheese's "Down With the Sickness" in it for Christ's sake.

I sense epic fail if someone does indeed remake ANOES.

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I don't usually agree with it, but yeah The Fly, and The Thing were awesome. The Thing is one of the most Doom mainstream flicks ever. House Of 1000 Corpses was basically a remake of Texas Chainsaw..... i think anyway. Zombies film are too MTV flashy and bright. Ruins the vibe. Though Devils Rejects was fun.

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NocturnalHolocaust wrote:
I didn't mind the Dawn of the Dead remake. I view it as more of a comedy than a horror film though. Shit, it had Richard Cheese's "Down With the Sickness" in it for Christ's sake.

I sense epic fail if someone does indeed remake ANOES.


The Dawn of the Dead remake was god awful. Running zombies? It totally ruined the slow moving and suspenseful ambiance of the original. Plus, the soundtrack was deploring. Goblin captured something with the original - a cold, lifeless musical landscape that complemented the suspense of inevitable death. The remake was merely made to cash in on the zombie franchise.
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You know what would be a pretty sweet film, if Rob Zombie re-did the It. That would be eerie.
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latinfiestacarnage wrote:
You know what would be a pretty sweet film, if Rob Zombie re-did the It. That would be eerie.


Good idea. His style would kinda suit that.

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lennonlikesmetal wrote:
latinfiestacarnage wrote:
You know what would be a pretty sweet film, if Rob Zombie re-did the It. That would be eerie.


Good idea. His style would kinda suit that.


Stephen King's? Yeah, I suppose so. It is pretty weird and vulgar, like Zombie's style is.
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Empyreal wrote:
lennonlikesmetal wrote:
latinfiestacarnage wrote:
You know what would be a pretty sweet film, if Rob Zombie re-did the It. That would be eerie.


Good idea. His style would kinda suit that.


Stephen King's? Yeah, I suppose so. It is pretty weird and vulgar, like Zombie's style is.


He jerks off over clowns too.

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I detest remakes of horror movies, simply because most suck ass.

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Imagine Hollywood remaking Lucio Fulci or Dario Argento??

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thewitchfinder wrote:
NocturnalHolocaust wrote:
I didn't mind the Dawn of the Dead remake. I view it as more of a comedy than a horror film though. Shit, it had Richard Cheese's "Down With the Sickness" in it for Christ's sake.

I sense epic fail if someone does indeed remake ANOES.


The Dawn of the Dead remake was god awful. Running zombies? It totally ruined the slow moving and suspenseful ambiance of the original. Plus, the soundtrack was deploring. Goblin captured something with the original - a cold, lifeless musical landscape that complemented the suspense of inevitable death. The remake was merely made to cash in on the zombie franchise.


The original was nothing to have an orgasm over either. I found myself nodding off during it.

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I liked the remake of Wes Cravens The Hills Have Eyes. The special effects were alot better than the original.

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NocturnalHolocaust wrote:
thewitchfinder wrote:
NocturnalHolocaust wrote:
I didn't mind the Dawn of the Dead remake. I view it as more of a comedy than a horror film though. Shit, it had Richard Cheese's "Down With the Sickness" in it for Christ's sake.

I sense epic fail if someone does indeed remake ANOES.


The Dawn of the Dead remake was god awful. Running zombies? It totally ruined the slow moving and suspenseful ambiance of the original. Plus, the soundtrack was deploring. Goblin captured something with the original - a cold, lifeless musical landscape that complemented the suspense of inevitable death. The remake was merely made to cash in on the zombie franchise.


The original was nothing to have an orgasm over either. I found myself nodding off during it.


Hmm, well then I suggest re-watching it when you're not TIRED. To each his own but I personally think Romero's film is probably the apex of the zombie genre - storyline and visual wise (hell, Night of the Living Dead helped to inspire a whole slew of the walking dead and flesh eating zombie films we see after 1968). His commentaries on society are priceless and Savini's effects, as always, were superb. Curious to know what zombie films are your favorite? Any specific reasons you did not like the film? I apologize for my 'grilling' but the original is something I hold in highest regards in my horror movie collection. Maybe I can help you...:D

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I liked the remake of Wes Cravens The Hills Have Eyes. The special effects were alot better than the original.


True. But the torture, sado-masochism effect is so overly done in these newer movies and remakes; it is almost quite boring.

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Imagine Hollywood remaking Lucio Fulci or Dario Argento??


Never. Never ever in my wildest dreams would I want to think of something like that.
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thewitchfinder wrote:
Hmm, well then I suggest re-watching it when you're not TIRED.


:D

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To each his own but I personally think Romero's film is probably the apex of the zombie genre - storyline and visual wise (hell, Night of the Living Dead helped to inspire a whole slew of the walking dead and flesh eating zombie films we see after 1968). His commentaries on society are priceless and Savini's effects, as always, were superb. Curious to know what zombie films are your favorite? Any specific reasons you did not like the film? I apologize for my 'grilling' but the original is something I hold in highest regards in my horror movie collection. Maybe I can help you...:D


There's no specific reason why I didn't like it. Don't get me wrong, I acknowledge the film's influence on the horror genre and respect it (you'd have to be just plain ignorant not to). To be honest, the only zombie film I really liked was Evil Dead.

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A remake of Suspiria was (is?) in development hell for quite a while. It was going to star Jessica Alba, supposedly.

Rob Zombie's movies are so misogynistic that it actually pisses me off. I was surprised that's even possible. I guess I wouldn't be so offended if Rob Zombie could write about a 9th grade level. It's just that his movies are so horrible on every level - even compared to usual Z-grade slasher fare - that all you're left with is naked chicks getting stabbed to death, over protracted periods of time, while sobbing uncontrollably.

I was kind of amazed they remade My Bloody Valentine. Or Prom Night, come to think of it. Do you really need to buy rights to anything to make another movie about some mysterious guy going around stabbing people, or whatever?

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Wes Craven remakes his own movie:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=I04K0Gax9Fw
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