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The_Beast_in_Black
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:43 am 
 
Then the fact that it's a trendhop isn't something that you should be devoting such a lot of time to in the review. In fact, it shouldn't really be an element to consider at all.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:10 am 
 
i will take your opinion into account and revise the review accordingly.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:54 am 
 
I honestly don't see Darkthrone's switch to black metal on A Blaze in the Northern Sky as a trend hop. A huge and possibly quite hasty leap (when one considers the amount of death metal leftovers on A Blaze...). But when looking at the really small number of black metal releases in 1990 and 1991 (a RYM search shows about 7 or 8, some of which are demos). Could anyone have really predicted that black metal would've been the next big thing in very early 1990s? I honestly couldn't say. Besides, I was under the impression that Darkthrone's 2nd was the first Norwegian black metal full-length release (February 1992). Seems rather "trendsetting" if you ask me.
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The_Beast_in_Black
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:03 am 
 
It was still a trend they were jumping onto; just a very local one. You can find some interesting reads about the scene in Scandinavia at the time. Apparently the Norwegians used to all be into death metal, like their neighbours in Sweden (which you can see from all the black metal bands that started out life as demo-only DM bands), but then Mayhem started to get serious about the idea of making this "black metal" concept a reality and suddenly all the Norwegian death metal bands jumped ship onto Mayhem's bandwagon. According to the anecdotes in that Swedish Death Metal book, Darkthrone was notably childish about it; abruptly severing friendships with Swedish bands in an attempt to distance themselves as much as possible from their death metal roots, so they could be seen as true to this new anti-death metal movement.
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Hey guys, I was wondering what your guys' reccomendations would be for earbuds. I'm pretty much completely ignorant of what good ones are. I'm a college student so my budget is kind of tight, and I pretty much listen exclusively to extreme metal (well I lied, but I want to optimize for such). The problem I have with my current earbuds (generic ipod) is that I can hardly discern through my grind and more abrasive-sounding black metal; it ends up sounding like noise. Like I said, I don't know anything about aural science so I thought maybe some audiophiles could reccomend me something that would get across much of the rough production that is prevalent in extreme metal while being affordable.

I sure as hell am no audiophile, but I have had some experiences with in-ear earbuds. If you want a pair that are decent enough for extreme metal and are also a bang for your buck, try this or this. I especially enjoyed using the first one. Not sure where you can find them in your country though.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:08 am 
 
Ah, that's a good point, Beast. But that is very, very small-scale trendhopping I'm pretty sure you'll agree, and I guess there's a slight difference in definition there. ;) At any rate, at least two of Darkthrone's career "leaps" were - in a strange way - what I'd call "logical regressions". Mayhem had that big, rallying cry of "death to death metal, back to Venom" or something like that. So, it's weird to think that all the black metal bands thought they were resurrecting a dead style rather than creating something new.

My brother's actually got that death metal book, I should probably try and finish it soon. :lol:
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:18 am 
 
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Edit: Razakel, are you seeing Primordial's 20th anniversary gig? I don't care about Primordial ("I'M...SO...IRISH...VOCALS!"), but you will get Solstice as a support band, and Solstice rule.


Wow, dude is it Primordial's 20th anniversary show? That's crazy, I had no idea, but fuck yeah I'm going!

I wonder what they'll be doing in celebration of the anniversary. Probably/hopefully playing some rarer older songs.

Also, on the subject off Darkthrone selling out - I'm fairly certain their switch in style with The Cult is Alive didn't get them a shitload of money or anything. Isn't selling out compromising your music to get rich?

Also, Noktorn: "fenriz is a pathetic shell of a man who will die drunk and alone in his studio apartment with nothing to show for himself and no one to mourn his passing"

You're talking about the guy who wrote all of Transilvanian Hunger, I can guarantee you thousands of people will mourn his passing. Come on man, so you don't like some of their music, but a bit of an overreaction, no?
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BaloroftheEvilEye
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:55 am 
 
http://www.metalsucks.net/2011/08/24/en ... nown-band/

Worth a chuckle or two. Out of interest, how many people here have both heard of this band and would be willing to pay up for a special edition download?
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Abominatrix
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:02 am 
 
Cult is Alive is indeed a little flimsy compared with what came after, but then again it has utterly fantastic songs like "Atomic Coming" and "Whisky Funeral", so in the end I still enjoy it a good deal. "Too Old" is probably one of the worst songs they ever penned though, despite not being terribly different from what surrounds...

Haven't read that review yet. No Darkthrone deserves anywhere near a 0, not even Plaguewielder.

Maybe I'll get back into reviewing with tackling more of the Darkthrone discography.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:07 am 
 
Razakel wrote:
Also, Noktorn: "fenriz is a pathetic shell of a man who will die drunk and alone in his studio apartment with nothing to show for himself and no one to mourn his passing"

I'm sure there'll be armies of Rainfall fans just ripping their hair out in grief when Noah keels over.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:11 am 
 
Darkthrone seems to be a band that brings strong opinions/reactions out of people. For every ten people that like them, there seem to be thirty others offended and outraged by their continual existence.
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Abominatrix
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:15 am 
 
wreath_of_coils wrote:
Darkthrone seems to be a band that brings strong opinions/reactions out of people. For every ten people that like them, there seem to be thirty others offended and outraged by their continual existence.


Which is quite bizarre, really. Their music has always been almost intrinsically likable...suppose if you consider that problematic they might earn some zealous negativity but it ultimately just seems to come down to non-fans finding them boring to listen to.

Also, I don't understand the personal attack against Fenriz at all. Sure he can occasionally be a bit of a curmudgeon perhaps but saying he'll die alone and drunk in his apartment just seems to come completely out of left field...
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:26 am 
 
BaloroftheEvilEye wrote:
http://www.metalsucks.net/2011/08/24/envinity-a-study-in-what-not-to-do-if-youre-an-unknown-band/

Worth a chuckle or two. Out of interest, how many people here have both heard of this band and would be willing to pay up for a special edition download?


Surprisingly, the music is not bad at all, a bit whiny for my taste but you can hear that a lot of effort went into making it.

http://envinity.org/moiras-lake.html
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:43 am 
 
wreath_of_coils wrote:
Darkthrone seems to be a band that brings strong opinions/reactions out of people. For every ten people that like them, there seem to be thirty others offended and outraged by their continual existence.


I find myself more indifferent to them than anything. Their music has never interested me much at all, and for every nice riff or cool point of atmosphere they'll throw at you there'll invariably be some other mediocre melody or crappy vocal styling to counterbalance it somewhere else along the line. It's just some good, some bad...nothing to get up in arms about.

As to the Envinity thing above, I did check out a bit of it on Soundcloud, and it wasn't the worst thing I've ever heard. The presentation aspects were truly ridiculous, no doubt, but the music itself wasn't abominable, even if the Christian rock-esque vocals were pretty amusing. Again...nothing worth much incredulous hair-pulling. Just another drop in the ocean of Whatever.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:46 am 
 
Envinity sound kind of like a second rate US prog metal act or something - just an overly bloated, self indulgent one.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:50 am 
 
Post-"Total Death" Darkthrone can use all the negative reviews it can get, the more the better.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:57 am 
 
I checked out one Envinity song that started off sounding something like Lantlos, but then when the oddly out-of-tune vocals kicked in, I immediately lost all interest.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:57 am 
 
That's bedroom prog. At best. And whiny at that. Ideas, maybe, but the delivery is not anything to worship.

If I may offer any advice to the younger generation, it would be "Never, EVER go progressive in the bedroom."
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:08 am 
 
Napero wrote:
If I may offer any advice to the younger generation, it would be "Never, EVER go progressive in the bedroom."


I thought experimentation was supposed to be good for a marriage. Don't tell me I can only go progressive in the shower...
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Youngsters... pfft... True progression is more than random tempo changes, technicality, and time signatures. Be careful, or your performance turns to mere...



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:35 am 
 
From their Last.fm description:

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The dreaded ‘sophomore jinx’ is a term used in sports (which, for our more sedentary readers, are contests of physical dexterity often involving a ball-like apparatus). It describes a player having a disappointing second year after an outstanding debut. This can happen in music, as well, and it takes outstanding talent to avoid such a pitfall. Lucky for us, Envy is posessed of abundant abilities and a deft knack for writing gripping progressive goth-metal. Empyreal Progeny builds on the sound they established in their 2002 debut Sweet Painful Reality and carries listeners on a maudlin -but never mopey- march around the bases.

Speaking of bases, Envy covers them all by incorporating elements from numerous genres into a distinctive blend which ensures you won’t mistake them for any run of the mill goth-rockers. Empyreal Progeny has a strong progressive component that yields complex guitar riffing and delicate drum patterns laced with jangling synthesizers. The guitar work here is much stronger than on their debut, and is helped tremendously by crisp, bright production: full of bite and vitality. This sonic clarity leaves plenty of space for ringing synth arpeggios to chime in and lend the music an exotic edge. It also provides ample room for Niko to ply his vocal trade.

Niko’s singing keeps the album’s progressive flights of fancy grounded in trademark gothic handwringing, lending gravity and pathos to what otherwise might be mistaken for darker than average prog metal. Indeed, his clean, evocative vocals provide an emotional core to the album around which the other sounds revolve. Far from being a gothic gloomy gus, Niko seems determined to soldier on through his worrisome angst.


o_O sounds like The Inspirer
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:36 am 
 
The_Beast_in_Black wrote:
Razakel wrote:
Also, Noktorn: "fenriz is a pathetic shell of a man who will die drunk and alone in his studio apartment with nothing to show for himself and no one to mourn his passing"

I'm sure there'll be armies of Rainfall fans just ripping their hair out in grief when Noah keels over.

:lol: Too fucking true.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:58 am 
 
The_Beast_in_Black wrote:
I'm sure there'll be armies of Rainfall fans just ripping their hair out in grief when Noah keels over.


Call_From_The_Tower wrote:
:lol: Too fucking true.


Meh, I didn't mean it like that. As far as I know Noktorn abandoned Rainfall a while ago and has moved on to better things. Still, I don't think anyone should make claims as grossly hyperbolic as that.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:02 am 
 
Razakel wrote:
The_Beast_in_Black wrote:
I'm sure there'll be armies of Rainfall fans just ripping their hair out in grief when Noah keels over.


Call_From_The_Tower wrote:
:lol: Too fucking true.


Meh, I didn't mean it like that. As far as I know Noktorn abandoned Rainfall a while ago and has moved on to better things. Still, I don't think anyone should make claims as grossly hyperbolic as that.


Yeah, it's absurd on a number of levels. Fenriz isn't GG Allin after all...
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:04 am 
 
Ok I guess the "magic" thread was heading for for a swift demise from the outset, no proof was offered and questions were hardly attempted to be answered, lots of hahaha though, which is why I thought ASV especially was having some sport and seeing where it would all lead.
Can`t a thread just be fun and if an OP makes an ass out of himself, others will soon point it out for him/her.


I believe there is something more than this place, no I can`t prove it and believe it is unprovable here. I certainly don`t believe in the magic that was hinted at in chronolith`s thread to be used for personal advancement or whimsy if someone pisses them off. But to go through this strange life thinking this is it, I have never really felt death is the end and I truly feel sorry for anyone who does as I think it makes them very "hard faced" and cynical.
It is something very personal I wouldn`t normally talk about, non religious (not mainstream religion anyway) just some feeling that gives me hope and courage when I witness the crap that goes on daily around us.
That`s why I`m interested in eastern philosophy and especially the eightfold path - which I sometimes fail at miserably, because I believe how we treat others and lead our life counts for something, karma? I don`t know, maybe.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:30 am 
 
Why would there be anything after death? All that makes up your mind, and most of your personality is in your brain. Hell, when people get braindamage and become vegetables, their personality, their minds dissappears forever. Why would death be any different?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:43 am 
 
You think for $1,000,000 he would at least include the the fly vhs tape in the auction.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:48 am 
 
Under_Starmere wrote:
I find myself more indifferent to them than anything. Their music has never interested me much at all, and for every nice riff or cool point of atmosphere they'll throw at you there'll invariably be some other mediocre melody or crappy vocal styling to counterbalance it somewhere else along the line. It's just some good, some bad...nothing to get up in arms about.


Yeah, I respect their perseverance and their not giving a fuck demeanor. I think Darkthrone tunes are fun to crank when getting hammered ass drunk. Definitely not the be all end all for me but still reliable. As you pointed out, their albums definitely tend to be hit or miss.

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I believe there is something more than this place, no I can`t prove it and believe it is unprovable here.


We just can't know!


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BaloroftheEvilEye wrote:
Why would there be anything after death? All that makes up your mind, and most of your personality is in your brain. Hell, when people get braindamage and become vegetables, their personality, their minds dissappears forever. Why would death be any different?


Yeah I know you make more sense and could well be right, but this is it?
Ever seen the film K-Pax? maybe bad anology, how about Awakenings? people lie catatonic after the 1917 epidemic and are revived, briefly. Yeah the point you make is a very valid one I struggle to find a clear answer.

Why would there be anything after death? - we were unaware before we were born and life was waiting for us.


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But we should be able to talk about it sensibly without every thread on the subject getting locked
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Come on, dude, don't turn the FFA into another locked thread. WJCK, the end.
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mindshadow wrote:
BaloroftheEvilEye wrote:
Why would there be anything after death? All that makes up your mind, and most of your personality is in your brain. Hell, when people get braindamage and become vegetables, their personality, their minds dissappears forever. Why would death be any different?


Yeah I know you make more sense and could well be right, but this is it?
Ever seen the film K-Pax? maybe bad anology, how about Awakenings? people lie catatonic after the 1917 epidemic and are revived, briefly. Yeah the point you make is a very valid one I struggle to find a clear answer.


That's called science fiction, buddy. No one knows the answers to your questions though, that's why they're fun and exciting to think about.
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Under_Starmere wrote:
Come on, dude, don't turn the FFA into another locked thread. WJCK, the end.


sorry guys. Ban me mods if I`ve done wrong, don`t lock the ffa.
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:lol: if you're serious. WE'VE GOT A MARTYR.
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mindshadow, I hope you're happy.

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