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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 7:35 am 
 

From World War II.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:47 pm 
 

I like the sea-of-faces pic from Starmere, + one rather morose looking dog.

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WWI. Here we have British lines just beginning to be shelled. Looks like the guys in the background walking on the wooden walkway have been caught off guard. Several German PoWs are visible in this pic as well.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 4:28 pm 
 

WW1: Canadian Soldier returning alone from the frontline. Hard eyes.
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Trenches and craters. Unknown Source.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 5:01 pm 
 

Passchendale, before and after

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 11:40 pm 
 

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Behold, the Schwerer Gustav, the biggest gun in WW2!

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It fired these:
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Needless to say, the whole thing moved pretty slowly and took ages to reload and aim, making it a costly and inefficient piece of overkill that never got much real action.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 1:10 am 
 

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WWI - An American officer balloons high above it all.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 4:24 am 
 

Mexico is not at war right now (yeah, right) but the crudest thing i remember is the massacre in Acteal, a small village in Chiapas. 45 people slaughtered while they were praying in the local chapel, including children and pregnant women.

this picture was taken the day after the massacre

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here's some more inf about it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acteal_massacre
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:40 am 
 

The U.S. Department of Defense defines irregular warfare as "a violent struggle among state and non-state actors for legitimacy and influence over the relevant populations." By this definition, Mexico is fighting an irregular war. The Mexican government's campaign against the drug cartels is far more than a law enforcement problem; the two sides are engaged in a violent struggle for influence over the Mexican population.


Four years after Mexican President Felipe Calderón threw 80,000 soldiers at the cartels, their businesses remain as strong as ever. According to the Los Angeles Times, the overall drug trade continues to flourish, bringing in by one estimate $39 billion a year to the Mexican economy, equal to 4.5 percent of Mexico's economic output in 2009.

The cartels, formerly just smuggling businesses operating largely out of sight, have evolved into political insurgents, and Calderón has openly wondered whether the Mexican state will survive. Neither side has the capacity to crush the other. This implies an eventual compromise settlement and with it a de facto or actual legalization of the drug trade in Mexico. When Calderón and the cartels make such a deal, the United States will have to deal with the consequences.

Pictures of the mayhem caused by the cartel wars. This is why the military was brought in. Scenes like these are becoming a common place thing in Mexico:


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Pics of Mexican military used in the war against the Cartels. It has been reported that the Gulf Cartel and the Juarez Cartel have matched the government by employing ex-military soldiers as hitmen/footsoldiers in their struggle for control of the trafficking territories between the states of Arizona and Texas. The Gulf cartel employed the Zetas, a group of defected special ops soldiers who were trained in the state of Georgia of the United States by our military. Since March of this year the Gulf cartel has waged war on the Zetas who tried to muscle their way as a legitimate cartel in the Gulf of Mexico region. The Juarez Cartel uses a another group of ex-special ops soldiers known as the Linces, the Bobcats, numbering in the 80s but who work in small groups of 4 or 5 and are used for the sole purposes of killing rival cartel members and military. The Zetas inspired every other cartel to use military style tactics and weaponry such as RPGs, grenades, bazookas, R-15s, .50 cals, and commando hit squads.

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The military has a nasty job in their hands.

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Pics of a fallen cartel leader.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:10 pm 
 

Thanks for this, nekuomanteia. Extremely grisly material, but rather informative on a subject I'm sure very few of us know anything about. I'd be curious to know all the ins and outs of the conflict, and how high the ultimate chain of command reaches in all of this.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 4:42 pm 
 

As far as how deep are political figures involved in the chain of command, one can only guess. They have been caught in photographs using cartel members as body guards. A U.S. DEA agent once stated that the reason the cartels have gotten so big and powerful is that 50 or 60 years ago, the main political party, the PRI, made a pact with them. The cartels were to be left alone on the condition that they focus primarily on trafficking drugs into the U.S. without causing too much violence and disruption at home. This was a grave mistake, says the DEA agent, for this only allowed the unimpeded underground criminal element to grow into monstrous, uncontrollable proportions.

Well to get a better picture of what's happening right across the border I condensed a timeline of main events since 2007 up to early 2010. I left out cartel on cartel and military/police on cartel warfare as they are too numerous to list here. Each year the lists of events keep getting longer and bloodier. The following are happenings in which figures of authority were involved. As you can see the level of corruption is rampant amongst them which makes one wonder if it's a matter of aiding the cartels at the threat of being killed along with their whole family or if they were simply in it for the money. Either way, if you help the cartels or not you'll still end up at the end of their gun barrel.

2007:

• May 14, 2007 - Jorge Altriste, head of operations for Mexico's elite police force in Tijuana, was murdered.

• December 29, 2007 - The entire police force in the town of Playas de Rosarito, Baja California, is disarmed from their weapons after suspicion of collaborating with drug cartels.

2008:

• May 8, 2008 - National Police Chief Édgar Eusebio Millán Gómez was gunned down in Mexico City. He was the highest-ranking Mexican official to be killed.

• May 9, 2008 - Esteban Robles Espinosa, the commander of Mexico's investigative police force, was shot dead on a street in Mexico City.

• May 17, 2008 - Presumed members of the Sinaloa Cartel attacked Villa Ahumada, Chihuahua, and killed the police chief, two officers, and three civilians, and kidnapped at least 10 additional people.

• May 28, 2008 - Seven federal police agents die in a shootout in Culiacán, Sinaloa.

• June 26, 2008 - Police commander Igor Labastida is shot dead in a restaurant in Mexico City.

• October 24, 2008 - Mexican criminal investigator Andres Dimitriadis is shot dead by drug traffickers in his car on his way home.

• November 2, 2008 - Senior Mexican police officer Víctor Gerardo Garay resigns amidst claims one of his aides was on the payroll of the Sinaloa cartel.

• November 19, 2008 - Mexican Interpol chief Ricardo Gutiérrez Vargas is arrested on suspicion of links with drug traffickers.

• November 21, 2008 - Noé Ramírez Mandujano, ex-head of Mexico's anti-organized crime agency, is arrested on suspicion of links with drug traffickers.

• December 10, 2008 - Felix Batista, an American anti-kidnapping expert was kidnapped in Saltillo, Coahuila.

• December 21, 2008 - Seven off-duty soldiers and one police commander were kidnapped, tortured and decapitated. Their heads were left at a shopping center with a threat note to the military.

2009:

• January 6, 2009 - Gunmen fired on and threw grenades at the Televisa TV station in Monterrey during a nightly newscast, causing no injuries. A note left on the scene read: "Stop reporting just on us. Report on the narco's political leaders."

• January 19, 2009 - 21 police officers in Tijuana are arrested on suspicion of collaborating with drug cartels.

• February 3, 2009 - The body of retired General Mauro Enrique Tello Quiñónez, who had been appointed a special drugs consultant to the Benito Juárez municipality mayor, was found near Cancún along with the bodies of his aide and a driver.

• February 10, 2009 - Troops descended upon a police station in Cancún in connection with the torture and murder of former general Mauro Enrique Tello, who led an elite anti-drugs squad.

• February 12, 2009 - Gunmen assassinate Detective Ramón Jasso Rodríguez, the chief in charge of the homicide division for the state police of Nuevo León.

• February 13, 2009 - A police patrol was ambushed in a grenade attack in Lázaro Cárdenas, Michoacán. Two municipality police officers were injured and evacuated to the hospital, they were reported to be in stable condition.

• February 15, 2009 - Gunmen in Tabasco kill a policeman, ten members of his family, and another person.

• February 20, 2009 - Ciudad Juárez Police Chief Robert Orduna announced his resignation after two police officers are killed. Drug traffickers had threatened to kill a police officer every 48 hours until the chief resigned.

• February 24, 2009 - Heavily armed gunmen assassinated the Vista Hermosa Mayor in Michoacán.

• February 25, 2009 - assailants attacked a police patrol with gunfire and fragmentation grenades in Zihuatanejo, Guerrero, killing four police officers.

• March 9, 2009 - The Mexican Army confirmed the arrest of 26 members of the Arrellano Félix Cartel, including Ángel Jácome Gamboa (El Kaibil'), one state police officer, one municipal police officer, and other suspects.

• March 22, 2009 - Gunmen have killed a state police commander in charge of investigating kidnappings and extortion in the western state of Michoacán. Édgar Garcia was sitting at a red light in his car Sunday when two other vehicles pulled up and opened fire, the state government said in a communique late Sunday. He died at the scene. State police in a nearby patrol car chased the suspects. One of the cars went out of control and crashed into a university building, according to the statement. A gunman got out of the car and began shooting at police, injuring one officer. Police then shot the gunman dead while his partner fled with apparent gunshot wounds.

• March 26, 2009 - A US Marshal, Vincent Bustamante who was the subject of an arrest warrant, was found dead in Ciudad Juárez.

• April 19, 2009 - Eight police officers are killed in an attack on a prison convoy transporting senior leaders of the Beltrán Leyva cartel cartel.

• July 7, 2009 - Anti-crime activist Benjamin LeBaron and his brother-in-law Luis Widmar are murdered after armed men storm their house in Galeana, Chihuahua.

• July 11, 2009 - Several Police headquarters are attacked by gunmen in Michoacán, leaving several injured, and 2 members of the Mexican Army dead.

• July 14, 2009 - The organization tortured and murdered twelve Mexican federal agents and dumped the bodies along the side of a mountain highway. The agents were investigating crime in President Felipe Calderón's home state of Michoacán.

• December 16, 2009 - A two hour shootout between 200 Mexican Marines and Beltrán-Leyva Cartel gunmen led to the death of Marcos Arturo Beltrán-Leyva the main head of the organization and his brother Mario Alberto Leyva, or Hector, in an upscale resort in Cuernavaca, also killed were four of his bodyguards, of which one committed suicide while surrounded by marines. Two marines were also injured and one other died, Navy 3rd Petty Officer Melquisedet Angulo Córdova died while being treated for his injuries.

• December 22, 2009 - Only hours after the burial of 3rd Petty Officer Melquisedet Angulo Córdova, gunmen break into his family's house and kill Angulo's mother and three other relatives. The shooting was believed to be retaliation for the death of Marcos Arturo Beltrán-Leyva, as well as a warning against the military forces involved in President Felipe Calderón's war on Mexico's drug cartels.

2010:

• January 8, 2010 - Due to high crime rates in the municipality of Tancítaro, Michoacán its Municipal Police force have been disbanded. City officials will leave the Army and Policia Estatal (State Police) incharge of public security.

• March 15, 2009 - Three people connected to the US consulate in the Mexican border city of Ciudad Juarez were killed. A U.S. consular employee and her husband were gunned down inside their SUV near the Santa Fe International Bridge. The husband of an employee of the U.S. Consulate is also executed within seconds. The executions are attributed to the Juarez cartel armed wing "La Linea" using street gangsters of Barrio Azteca with ties to El Paso and Ciudad Juarez.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:38 pm 
 

This thread reminds of this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwsP-QG2tOA
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 2:40 pm 
 

Trying to keep this thread focused on still images, guys, though video entries are also welcome in limited quantities and if particularly merited.

More from WWI:

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The British Grand Fleet sails for northern Scotland at the outbreak of war, 1914.

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British soldiers marching during the Battle of Broodseinde (Greater Battle of Passchendaele), 1917

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 6:53 pm 
 

^ Mmh, it reminds me of an album by Bolt Thrower. Anyway, it's a mesmerizing sight! Awesome photo.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 7:12 pm 
 

Under_Starmere wrote:
Thanks for this, nekuomanteia. Extremely grisly material, but rather informative on a subject I'm sure very few of us know anything about. I'd be curious to know all the ins and outs of the conflict, and how high the ultimate chain of command reaches in all of this.


As Dennis Miller put it: "Mexico right now is making the last fifteen minutes of Scarface look like The Sound of Music." There's discussion about legalization of narcotics otherwise it will just be a stalemate for awhile. However, any legalization would have to be enacted on both sides of the border(US-Mexico) for it to really work. If that Neo-Nazi group voluntarily patrolling the border to enforce SB 1070 thinks they are doing anything to make a dent on immigration and drugs, they are bigger idiots than anyone imagined because obviously they are ridiculously outmanned and outarmed by organizations that go toe to toe with the Mexican government.

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marktheviktor wrote:
Under_Starmere wrote:
Thanks for this, nekuomanteia. Extremely grisly material, but rather informative on a subject I'm sure very few of us know anything about. I'd be curious to know all the ins and outs of the conflict, and how high the ultimate chain of command reaches in all of this.


As Dennis Miller put it: "Mexico right now is making the last fifteen minutes of Scarface look like The Sound of Music." There's discussion about legalization of narcotics otherwise it will just be a stalemate for awhile. However, any legalization would have to be enacted on both sides of the border(US-Mexico) for it to really work. If that Neo-Nazi group voluntarily patrolling the border to enforce SB 1070 thinks they are doing anything to make a dent on immigration and drugs, they are bigger idiots than anyone imagined because obviously they are ridiculously outmanned and outarmed by organizations that go toe to toe with the Mexican government.


I am sure they have no idea what they are even messing with.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 3:47 am 
 

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This is from the Katyn massacre, where the NKVD Soviet secret police executed 22,000 prisoners of war over the course of 2 months, shortly after their surrender following the Nazi/Soviet invasion of Poland, as part of the process of liquidating the entire Polish state. They were under orders not to engage the enemy.

The dehumanized, bureaucratic efficiency with which this was accomplished still horrifies me. Executions began at dusk and continued till dawn, with industrial fans to cover the sounds, a sloping concrete execution chamber designed to be easily hosed down, and trucks to shuttle 250 bodies a night to the trenches (1 loaded every 3 minutes). The chief executioner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasili_Blokhin) shot 7,000 personally, employing an apron for cleanliness, a German pistol for better reliability, and served vodka at the end of every shift.

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When the Germans dropped their nonaggression policy and invaded, they discovered and exhumed the site, flew in international experts for examination, coming to the conclusion of Soviet involvement. When Soviets retook Poland, they re-exhumed it to present their own findings as a Nazi atrocity; some were actually tried and persecuted as a result. They only officially admitted anything as late as 1990. The Polish president's plane actually crashed when it was en route to the 70th anniversary of the massacre.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 8:47 am 
 

This is one of the most famous pictures taken during the Second World War in Yugoslavia:

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from Wiki:
Stjepan "Stevo" Filipović (27 January 1916 – 22 May 1942) was a Yugoslav Partisan who was executed during World War II and posthumously declared a People's Hero of Yugoslavia.

Filipović was born on 27 January 1916 in Opuzen (in modern-day Dubrovnik-Neretva County, Croatia), in the last days of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Before the outbreak of the Second World War he lived in Mostar and Kragujevac, then both part of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia. He joined the workers' movement in 1937, and the Communist Party of Yugoslavia in 1940. Filipović was arrested in 1939 and sentenced to a year in prison.

Filipović was commander of the Partisans' Tamnavsko-Kolubarski unit in Valjevo by 1941. He was captured on 24 February 1942 by Axis forces and subsequently hanged in Valjevo, occupied Yugoslavia, on 22 May 1942. As the rope was put around his neck, Filipović defiantly thrust his hands out and denounced the Germans and their Axis allies as murderers, shouting "Death to fascism, freedom to the people!". He urged the Yugoslav people to resist and implored them to never cease resisting. At this moment, a subsequently-famous photograph was taken from which a statue was cast.

Filipović was declared a National Hero of Yugoslavia on 14 December 1949. The town of Valjevo has a statue dedicated to him, "Stevan Filipović". A monument was also erected in his home town of Opuzen in 1968, but was torn down in 1991.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 6:59 pm 
 

These are photos of a confrontation in the city of Nuevo Laredo right across Laredo, Texas on July 16, 2010, between cartel members aka sicarios and members of the Mexican military who came to finish them all. Some say the clean head shots look to be the work of the military and judging by some of the soldiers at the scene they appear to be army as they usually wear green where as the marines wear light brown/green uniforms. It’s still not known whether the dead are of the Zeta, Juarez, or Sinaloa Cartels. Scenes like these where freight trucks and buses are car-jacked and used to block army/marines/police from getting to shoot-outs between cartels, are known as ‘narcobloqueos’, narcoblocks. The fat guy in the bus was apparently an innocent bystander. The cripsy critter was burned insidide his vehicle after it was shot up and caught on fire.

edit: Some reports say these are Zetas as supposedly Gulf Cartel sicarios dress differently. And the cause of death of the charred man was as of result of a grenade thrown into his truck.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 8:05 pm 
 

Wow! I don't think I will ever see anything as gruesome as this stuff again. This drug war is just nuts!
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 9:15 pm 
 

This clash ocurred on June 2, 2010 at around 2am, in the city of Tubutama, Sonora Mexico, between rival sicarios of the Sinaloa Cartel and the Leyva Cartel. The Leyvas who have united with the Zeta Cartel, are making a strong push to take over the northern border of Mexico along Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas which were traditionally territories controlled by the Sinaloa, Juarez, and Gulf cartels. The Sinaloa Cartel sent over 50 trucks and SUVs to send a message but were themselves ambushed by their rivals who had already arrived at 11pm with enough time to prepare. The battle lasted 2 hours and left 21 sicarios dead. The dead wearing camos does not necessarily make them soldiers. Narcos have been known to use camos to fool the opposition or the public authorities. When police and military arrived to the scene, most of the involved had already left. Six men were left wounded while three others were detained.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 10:30 pm 
 

Not to be a humdrum of a user, but is it really necessary for users to post images up of such gruesome scenes? I'm not the internet police, but you guys could at least link that kind of stuff. Not that I'm disgusted by it, but it makes this place look like some exploitation forum or something.

Nonetheless, chilling pictures of a front not taken so seriously by the public.
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I agree with you, Ozzy. Nekuomanteia, I appreciate the contributions, but let's not turn this into Rotten.com. I think your topic has been well covered at this point. If you want to cover the Mexican drug war further, just be more selective, please. It's an interesting topic, but we only need so many pictures of blown-open craniums. Thank you :).

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 11:24 pm 
 

I'm just going to third OzzyApu. Maybe a bit redundant, but needs to be said...
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:11 am 
 

Agreed.

Thank you, but those pics are not exactly what the OP was looking for. There are more suitable sites for this kind of needs on the net.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:09 am 
 

Here's a bit o' vintage anti-Japanese War Propaganda:
http://www.authentichistory.com/1939-19 ... Japan.html

I may need some verification, but am I seeing what I think I'm seeing?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:12 am 
 

Well, that's certainly unlike propaganda I've seen before. Typically it'd be the Americans claiming the Japanese are the barbarians who would flay a human. I'm not sure if promoting the idea that your country's troops mutilate corpses is such a hot idea.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:14 am 
 

The_Beast_in_Black wrote:
Well, that's certainly unlike propaganda I've seen before. Typically it'd be the Americans claiming the Japanese are the barbarians who would flay a human. I'm not sure if promoting the idea that your country's troops mutilate corpses is such a hot idea.


It isn't a hot idea, but then again, the Japanese weren't known for their restraint with the Chinese.

By the way, I just edited my post. Anyone know what's behind that other image?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:22 am 
 

The_Apex_of_Collapse wrote:
marktheviktor wrote:
Under_Starmere wrote:
Thanks for this, nekuomanteia. Extremely grisly material, but rather informative on a subject I'm sure very few of us know anything about. I'd be curious to know all the ins and outs of the conflict, and how high the ultimate chain of command reaches in all of this.


As Dennis Miller put it: "Mexico right now is making the last fifteen minutes of Scarface look like The Sound of Music." There's discussion about legalization of narcotics otherwise it will just be a stalemate for awhile. However, any legalization would have to be enacted on both sides of the border(US-Mexico) for it to really work. If that Neo-Nazi group voluntarily patrolling the border to enforce SB 1070 thinks they are doing anything to make a dent on immigration and drugs, they are bigger idiots than anyone imagined because obviously they are ridiculously outmanned and outarmed by organizations that go toe to toe with the Mexican government.


I am sure they have no idea what they are even messing with.



Yeah all the dead Mexicans are making me slightly queasy. But thanks anyways, very interesting stuff. I used to live 13 miles from the Reynosa Checkpoint, I'm glad I moved when I did. But regarding the Nazi Douche holes patrolling the border...I haven't heard anything about that, got a link?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:41 pm 
 

Muhammadabbadabba wrote:
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What do you think you're seeing?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:57 pm 
 

The only thing I see is that the guy has a huge fucking nose.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:48 pm 
 

Under_Starmere wrote:
Muhammadabbadabba wrote:
I may need some verification, but am I seeing what I think I'm seeing?
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What do you think you're seeing?


After some hasty googling (I initially posted that previous message during my lunchbreak), I've found out that Black Arabs were enlisted in the North African division (called Deutches Afrika Korps) of the Third Reich. This particular gentleman is, according to this article, served as a volunteer under Franz Wimmer-Lamquet with Sonderstab F (Major Felmy's Freies Arabien Division). While I can't entirely vouch for the authenticity of the said article, it does play with your preconceived perception of history.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:03 pm 
 

German forces in that campaign needed as many conscripts as they could get their hands on against British and American troops in North Afrika including some black subjekts of the former Schutzgebiet Deutsch-Ostafrika. You must remember Rommel ran a clean campaign in that part of the war which he himself dubbed a "war without hate."
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:07 pm 
 

Muhammadabbadabba wrote:
Under_Starmere wrote:
Muhammadabbadabba wrote:
I may need some verification, but am I seeing what I think I'm seeing?
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What do you think you're seeing?


After some hasty googling (I initially posted that previous message during my lunchbreak), I've found out that Black Arabs were enlisted in the North African division (called Deutches Afrika Korps) of the Third Reich. This particular gentleman is, according to this article, served as a volunteer under Franz Wimmer-Lamquet with Sonderstab F (Major Felmy's Freies Arabien Division). While I can't entirely vouch for the authenticity of the said article, it does play with your preconceived perception of history.


Yes, Germany had Black and Arab volunteers who fought with them against the British. There were also a number of non-White (Asian) volunteers who fought with the Germans on the Eastern Front against the USSR. I believe there was even significant support in India for the Germans at a time when they wanted independence from the British. It just never really got anywhere due to geographical reasons.

For an army and State that's painted as the be-all end-all of racism they were a pretty fucking multinational army, both with these non-White volunteers in the regular Wehrmacht and within the Waffen-SS, which, though it remained essentially White-only, contained a massive number of volunteers from every European country in the book (though Poles and Czechs were a bit scarce).
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:16 pm 
 

Really, it was no different than US sending minority soldiers to fight for them in Vietnam either. For the regular army that is. A conscript is a conscript is a conscript.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 3:01 am 
 

Oberst_Orlok_SS wrote:
Really, it was no different than US sending minority soldiers to fight for them in Vietnam either. For the regular army that is. A conscript is a conscript is a conscript.


Right you are. Meat shield is meat shield. If some non-German wants to throw his body in front of some shrapnel for the cause, why stop 'em?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 3:24 am 
 

It reminds me of how the Americans sent a large number of soldiers of Japanese ethnicity to fight in Europe, where they served commendably while at home their relatives were being shoved into disease-ridden internment camps by the government. Goes to show that even the apparent "good guys" in the war weren't above some despicable behaviour themselves. War often has a tendency to bring out the worst of humanity's traits across the board.
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If I remember correctly, one of those Japanese-American units was the most highly decorated in the entire war, if not all of American military history. Ah, the irony.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:08 am 
 

Under_Starmere wrote:
If I remember correctly, one of those Japanese-American units was the most highly decorated in the entire war, if not all of American military history. Ah, the irony.

You are correct. it was the 442nd Infantry Regiment. That unit was (and still is) the most highly decorated in the entire history of the United States Armed forces. they had something like 20 members who received Medals of fucking Honor. And yes, most of their families back home did get shoved into those internment camps. It makes me cringe just thinking about it.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:57 am 
 

Found this site of WWII posters: http://www.war-stories.com/wwii-posters-1.asp

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Bougainville Campaign - WWII Pacific Theater

Took from 1943 to the end of the war with comparably light casualties for the Allies. The Japanese lost thousands, however. I thought this image was badass, even though the battle took forever and is criticized for being a waste.

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WWI - Western Front. If I saw that after months on the front, I'd shit my pants. Taken at the perfect moment to capture that blow of dirt and smoke. Folks called this one the "Reaper" when it was published in England and the States during the war.

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(WWI) Lastly, if that's your situation, I could only imagine how less than a fuck you'd figure life is meaningful.
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