The remixes for those releases are great too.

I love the The Fragile by Nine Inch Nails. Such a great album and the track "The Great Below" is one of my favorite NIN songs. I've been really looking forward to that definitive version in 5.1 surround that should be coming out this year.

Was a favourite album of mine in high school. Still holds up very well. What else is involved for the reissue?

Reznor has mentioned it a few times as an "ultimate re-issue" and it was supposed to be out as a 10th anniversary edition but faced delays for some reason. The only thing known for sure is that the producer of the album is currently working on the 5.1 mix and revisiting all the material. Trent made so much music during that album, apparently there's a lot of unused stuff. I'm really hoping it's truly definitive and contains all the extra material and I'm imagining that it should have all the unedited versions that were on the vinyl and cut from the CD version.
This is one of those re-issues that should have some major differences, changes or inclusions instead of just the mix being different with some demo versions tacked on.
I'm really excited about this!

By the way, I loved the recent re-release of Pretty Hate Machine. Nothing extra except that Queen cover but those songs sound much better now I think.

Sure sounds interesting. I'm usually against 5.1 mixes, but for NIN i'll make an exception.

I haven't heard the PHM reissue, but it seems a bit bare bones after the TDS reissue. Was a bit suprised really.

Yeah it was bare but I think the improvement in sound makes up for the lack of extras pretty well. It wasn't produced as good as anything that came after it so it really needed it. I'm guessing there wasn't too much extra recorded around at the time that was worth including (there were demo tracks though I think...) and yeah, the TDS re-issue really delivered... it was nice to have those soundtrack songs, "Dead Souls" and "Burn" included.

Have ya'll heard Purest Feeling? I actually prefer it to PHM. What do ya'll think about his later releases (With Teeth, Year Zero, The Slip)?

Ya know, I hate to say that I haven't heard the Purest Feeling bootleg and really wasn't even aware of it! I had a feeling there were demo versions of PHM but haven't gotten around to looking them up, thanks for mentioning this, I'm definitely going to check this out as soon as possible.
As for recent NIN, I love it all; I think Trent is very consistent, always quality, and there's really nothing I don't like or skip over from him. Out of the last 3 or 4 albums I'm especially fond of With Teeth. The Slip, Year Zero and Ghosts I-IV are great too and I've actually been listening to those a lot lately.
How about "The Perfect Drug"? I really like this one and I remember it felt like such a small taste to hold the fans over with so much waiting between TDS and The Fragile.
By the way, as far as the thread subject goes, I think all of these are worth 100% and I wouldn't be suprised to see it. No duds from NIN in my eyes.

22B3 is the rare,masterpiece only album by 80s synth rock/pop supergroup Device. It is probably my favourite "pop" record of all time, and it's production, catchiness, emotion and instrumental work combine for a high-caliber futiristic masterwork. Love it.

The Pefect Drug song or remix EP? I rate the song pretty highly.

What was the remix album that came as a limited with a DVD a few years ago?

No love for Neofolk in this thread

Kix put out some questionable stuff early on, but hit their stride with Midnite Dynamite in '85, where they try their damndest to impersonate the ever-awesome Ratt. This one's getting pretty high up there for me, as far as glam rock records.

I'm still trying to really get into the remix album. I love the song but whenever I try to get through "The Perfect Drug" remixes I just feel like playing the original instead. It's all good though.



Ok, I'll say right now without any doubt that I consider everything ever released by Tenhi to be completely perfect. There's just something about this band, the way the melodies and songs are composed and played out that is passionate, delicate and inspired in the best way this genre delivers. Best band in Neofolk. I could never get enough of Tenhi and I've been dying to hear the proper follow-up to Maaäet.

The Broken EP is probably my favourite NIN release. I'd call The Downward Spiral his masterpiece but Broken is what I find myself listening to the most. It just doesn't get much better than Wish or Last.

"Wish" is the track that got me into NIN. I don't think there's a better gateway into NIN if your into metal than Broken.

Guns N' Roses-Appetite For Destruction
Easily the best thing this band ever did. Not a bad song on it.

Rush-2112
Title track itself makes this an amazing album. Best prog rock album I've ever heard.

Pink Floyd-Wish You Were Here
I'm a huge Pink Floyd fan, and this is my personal favorite. Takes me on a trip everytime.

I like this thread. Some very interesting picks so far.

My own choices that would get 100% or close to it are:

The Angelic Process - Weighing Souls With Sand
Some considering this metal but, seeing as it isn't on the website, I'll include it. Very difficult to get into at first, even for me, a lover of huge wall-of-sound albums. Love the vocals, love the mammoth atmosphere, some superb cleaner sections and the tragedy behind the bands demise makes me appreciate this all the more.

The Cure - Disintegration
Their best. When post-punk/gothic rock is mixed together right, it's godly. Despite Smith's weird image, his vocals are wonderful. Some highly emotive songs with great lyrics, like 'Pictures of You'. Wonderful keyboards, too.

Dredg - El Cielo
The definitive modern "art rock" band? Maybe.

Jakob - Solace
The best post-rock album I've ever heard. None come close to this one. Particularly wonderful use of bass. I love how the band builds and builds and builds to a crescendo. 'Lonesome' is one of my all-time favourite songs across any genre. Very intense, too.

Q Lazzarus - Goodbye Horses
"It puts the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again". I discovered this band/little EP through Silence of the Lambs. I absolutely adore this. Unfortunately, the band only ever released this 2-song EP (I think). Probably the best synth pop work I've heard and the vocalist is superb. I was quite surprised to find out it was a middle aged black woman!

My Bloody Valentine - Loveless
Initially I thought this was rather overrated but not anymore. Noise pop/shoegaze brilliance. I love the distortion and fuzz, the subtle clean vocals and the overwhelming melodies. A very strange album. Some songs make me jubilant and others make me want to die.

Red House Painters - Down Colorful Hill
In truth I'd probably pick 3 Red House Painters albums by for the sake of this thread, I'll choose this one. I really relate to the lyrics, I love Kozelek's voice. I love his interpretation of loneliness, pain and regret.

Siouxsie and the Banshees - Tinderbox
I love almost all of their albums but this one always grabs my attention due to the insane amount of catchy songs it has. It's far more pop-ish than their earlier albums but I like that. I also love Susan's voice. Probably the best female gothic vocalist I've heard thus far.

Slowdive - Just for a Day
The definition of shoegaze.

Cocteau Twins - Garlands
I love everything this band has put out but I'll go with their debut. Darker, harsher and bleaker. I love Elizabeth Fraser's voice. Possible the most unique vocalist around. It took me some time to warm to her style but she's breathtaking. I love the bass on this one, too.

The Veldt - Afrodisiac
One of the only predominantly black shoegaze bands. Unfortunately they slipped under the radar when they were first around but they're now receiving a lot of deserved attention through their new band, Apollo Heights. This is shoegaze with a soul. The vocalist, who is fantastic, has a lot of character and is inspired by Prince, I believe. One of the more experimental shoegaze bands and this album has at least seven 5-star songs.

Honorable mentions:
The Daysleepers - Drowned in a Sea of Sound
The Emerald Down - Scream the Sound
Irepress - Sol Eye Sea I
Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures
The Meeting Places - Find Yourself Along the Way
Mooncake - Lagrange Points
Oceansize - Effloresce
Portishead - Dummy
Sad Lovers & Giants - Epic Garden Music
The Sound - From the Lion's Mouth
The Sundays - Reading, Writing and Arithmetic
Tool - Lateralus

Those are my main choices but there's a tonne more.

I mentioned Arbeit's album Zum einem neuen Licht. I love that CD. Even if they are neo nazi (which I am not sure of.) Hopefully not, but good music is good music.

I think they have other good stuff. I don't see what's wrong with Spaghetti Incident, or Use Your Illusion (though i'll admit, none of those rock as hard as Apetite. The original album art on that thing rocks, too.

That artwork is great. I had no idea about it.

I have a lot of those! Although my favorite music genre is metal, I also listen to many other things (you know, music is music, and I find 99% of music worth of a listen, even the sweetest pop and many folk music). But since I don't have the time to write about all my favorite non-metal albums, I'll mention only two:

1. "...But Seriously" (Phil Collins).- What can I say about this album? It was recorded before I was born, but I enjoy it as if I was alive back then!

2. "Butterflies and Elvis" (Yohanna).- This young girl has the talent to go straight to the top! She has an amazing voice, and her music style is something you wouldn't expect from a 20-year-old girl who sings pop music. This album is quite mature, slow, and it's definitely worth a listen.

The Devil Makes Three's self-titled debut is one of the best albums of any genre I've ever heard. It's a great, gloomy strand of bluegrass, with no banjo/fiddle/mandolin/etc, just two guitars and an upright. There later albums feature a more conventional bluegrass sound, which is still remarkable, but I have yet to hear any acoustic music beat out the gloomy, alcoholic splendor of the Self-titled. Heres a clip if anyone's interested:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNJowyYkoOs

Mock me if you want, but Lou Reed's Metal Machine Music is basically perfect. It's noisy enough to annoy and shock, but lacks the harsh, grating aesthetic of modern noise styles. It's basically the first example in rock music of two of my favorite styles, drone and noise.

Certainly people here know the Cramps? Songs the Lords Taught Us is perfect. Undoubtedly the best thing to ever come from garage rock.

The Australian psychobilly band Zombie Ghost Train's second release, Glad Rags & Body Bags, is a triumph of rock music. It's easily the pinnacle of psychobilly music, one of the rare releases that manages to beat the classics.

I hesitate to include a greatest hits on here, but Thin Lizzy's Greatest Hits deserves a mention as an excellent anthology of quality rock. Thin Lizzy has quite a few excellent albums, but none of them were perfect. This meaty compilation, however, is. Every song is excellent. It's not quite the only thing you need from them, but it's pretty close.

I would choose several Rush albums, but they're on the archives so they don't really qualify.

The Cure-Pornography
Brian Eno-Another Green World
Philip Glass-Glassworks
Ennio Morricone-The Mission Soundtrack

To be quite honest, there are far more 100% (or as close to that as is possible) perfect albums in non-metal genres than there are in metal. In fact, I can't think of a single metal album that really merits a 100% perfect score. Most metal albums are too singular in their musical vision to really be considered perfect. To me, perfection requires variety.

Not even When The Kite String Pops? Or Hell Awaits? Or Angl?
Weirdo...

I'd like to mention Stonewall's self-titled. Great bluesy rock that easily deserves a 100%

You make no stipulation on the term "variety", though contextually it can be determined that the key factor og variety is not being metal. Most non-metal albums are bound to exist within the confines of one or another genre without pushing too many boundaries as that is the norm, however, this doesn't prevent them from making "far more" 100% (or as close as possible) perfect albums whereas the metal genre, which produces about the same number of "normal" (for the respective genres) bands as compared to "unusual" bands (in terms of additional influences introduced, non-standard composition methods and other specific ideosyncracies) as non-metal genres is consistently unable to reach the same levels of near-perfection as others. The innevitable conclusion to be made is that you just don't like metal and should reconsider why you (presumably based on your posting here) listen to it and whether or not you would be happier dropping whatever pretense maintains your metal listening habbits.

Agree with GnR and Floyd. Although I still think GnR is a metal band. What makes a song like Number of the Beast more metal than Welcome to the Jungle?

That intro scream... Most metal thing I've ever heard.



I just remembered they're on here. I don't really consider them metal, though.

Well someone is easily offended..

And no, I wasn't slandering metal whatsoever. I simply stated that most metal albums, even the really good ones, don't have quite as much variety as many really great non-metal albums. Remember, a band or album being non-metal doesn't necessarily mean that it falls into another easily definable genre or category. I don't think any album where each song can be easily grouped into the same specific niche could or should be considered perfect. One might say that Master of Puppets is a 10/10 thrash metal album and I'd consider that a justifiable statement (whether I agree or not), but if someone called it a 10/10 piece of music in general I'd cringe at the very notion. It's not a generic album by any means, especially at the time of its release, but each of its tracks inhabit the same sonic world as one another.

Ultimately, I'm simply judging these albums by my own arbitrary scale that has no meaning or merit to anyone else and if I came off as pretentious or offensive, that was not my intention.

Guided By Voices - Bee Thousand is quickly taking over my life. Just like Aeroplane Over The Sea it is kind of the darkhorse album out of the classics from 1994. 20 indie pop gems in just over half an hour. Recorded raw as fuck on 4 track. Darkthrone ripped these guys off.

Chill, dude. It's just what he thinks.

I'd like to mention Placebo's s/t. I just love every single song, I love the soft and harder songs mixing among the album. Come Home is one of my favorite songs from all their albums, too.

Why do you both assume I'm upset? I'm only trying to give the best possible advice I can to someone who appears to be forcing themselves into a subculture they don't really have rapport with. If I was upset I would have cut out the neutral language and passed judgement on your silly views rather than sticking to dry logic and reason.

Silly views? You're coming to the conclusion that he doesn't even like metal... when he's on a metal board. Maybe he's barely getting into metal, maybe he just loves other genres more than metal (which isn't bad at all), who the hell knows? But it's obvious he likes metal or he wouldn't be here.

Ah, fuck it. I don't even care about this, let's just get back on topic

So you'd give a Placebo album 100% but you wouldn't give a single metal album 100%? And uhhh, what exactly are you doing on this site?

Wrong person, NWG92 said he wouldn't give a metal album 100%, not me. For the record, I don't agree with him. To me, it just sounds like He likes metal, but he's more interested in other genres, so he doesn't like any metal enough to give it a 100%. You should probably read the whole conversation next time.

Oops, my bad, got you guys mixed up.

It's cool haha. But I see there's no love for Placebo

Right. But to say that "perfection doesn't exist within metal" then claim is does is placing a strict limitation on the genre of metal. I like some other genres more than metal, but since I am here, and I do like metal quite a bit, I would never say that "metal is too singular to be perfect or be 'great'". It's a legitimate stance to take against him for why he is here or why he is forcing himself to like a genre of music he doesn't think is capable of genius. I don't listen to house music seriously because I feel it's just not worth exploring because I get nothing from it. If he's a casual listener who likes metal for aggressiveness or something that's fine. But if he believes that pure artistic expression and genius qua genius does not exist within metal he simply doesn't like metal. Or he's forcing himself to listen to a genre of music seriously when he shouldn't.