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Catachthonian
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:41 am 
 

No, they were discussed to death several times before and considered not metal enough.

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Fulgurius
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 9:43 am 
 

By the way, I remember some time ago someone asked about Great White and Witcher agreed that their first album was metal enough, but said that it needs to be discussed on mods forum. So what was the decision on them?

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_Moria
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:11 am 
 

I just added Green Jellÿ but it got rejected. Why? The Wiki clearly says it is a heavy metal/Punk rock group!

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:15 am 
 

_Moria wrote:
I just added Green Jellÿ but it got rejected. Why? The Wiki clearly says it is a heavy metal/Punk rock group!

What wikipedia says means nothing. It can be updated by everybody.

It got rejected, because it is not metal, they do not have any consequently and predominantly metal album.

Think, if they were valid, they would be among the first, more famous bands that were added and would be listed here already since years...

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_Moria
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:24 am 
 

Witcher wrote:
_Moria wrote:
I just added Green Jellÿ but it got rejected. Why? The Wiki clearly says it is a heavy metal/Punk rock group!

What wikipedia says means nothing. It can be updated by everybody.

It got rejected, because it is not metal, they do not have any consequently and predominantly metal album.

Think, if they were valid, they would be among the first, more famous bands that were added and would be listed here already since years...

According to Wiki, Last.fm and their own MySpace this clearly is a Metalband. (+ tomorrow they go to a Metalfest in San Marcos and on 27 September to another Metalfest in Indianapolis.

I don't think many non-metal bands go there...

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TheGrimWombat
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:05 pm 
 

Fulgurius wrote:
By the way, I remember some time ago someone asked about Great White and Witcher agreed that their first album was metal enough, but said that it needs to be discussed on mods forum. So what was the decision on them?


I was just thinking of this myself recently.

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TheGrimWombat
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:07 pm 
 

Fulgurius wrote:
By the way, I remember some time ago someone asked about Great White and Witcher agreed that their first album was metal enough, but said that it needs to be discussed on mods forum. So what was the decision on them?


I, too, was just thinking of this recently

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 2:07 am 
 

_Moria wrote:
Witcher wrote:
_Moria wrote:
I just added Green Jellÿ but it got rejected. Why? The Wiki clearly says it is a heavy metal/Punk rock group!

What wikipedia says means nothing. It can be updated by everybody.

It got rejected, because it is not metal, they do not have any consequently and predominantly metal album.

Think, if they were valid, they would be among the first, more famous bands that were added and would be listed here already since years...

According to Wiki, Last.fm and their own MySpace this clearly is a Metalband. (+ tomorrow they go to a Metalfest in San Marcos and on 27 September to another Metalfest in Indianapolis.

I don't think many non-metal bands go there...

How the label themselves does not mean anything. It is their music, that matters. If you have no other arguments then some internet labelling, then give it up, please.

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_Moria
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 2:43 am 
 

Witcher wrote:
_Moria wrote:
Witcher wrote:
_Moria wrote:
I just added Green Jellÿ but it got rejected. Why? The Wiki clearly says it is a heavy metal/Punk rock group!

What wikipedia says means nothing. It can be updated by everybody.

It got rejected, because it is not metal, they do not have any consequently and predominantly metal album.

Think, if they were valid, they would be among the first, more famous bands that were added and would be listed here already since years...

According to Wiki, Last.fm and their own MySpace this clearly is a Metalband. (+ tomorrow they go to a Metalfest in San Marcos and on 27 September to another Metalfest in Indianapolis.

I don't think many non-metal bands go there...

How the label themselves does not mean anything. It is their music, that matters. If you have no other arguments then some internet labelling, then give it up, please.

- 2 metalfests is not their own labeling
- I have some song from them in a Metalcollection

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 2:49 am 
 

_Moria wrote:
Witcher wrote:
_Moria wrote:
Witcher wrote:
_Moria wrote:
I just added Green Jellÿ but it got rejected. Why? The Wiki clearly says it is a heavy metal/Punk rock group!

What wikipedia says means nothing. It can be updated by everybody.

It got rejected, because it is not metal, they do not have any consequently and predominantly metal album.

Think, if they were valid, they would be among the first, more famous bands that were added and would be listed here already since years...

According to Wiki, Last.fm and their own MySpace this clearly is a Metalband. (+ tomorrow they go to a Metalfest in San Marcos and on 27 September to another Metalfest in Indianapolis.

I don't think many non-metal bands go there...

How the label themselves does not mean anything. It is their music, that matters. If you have no other arguments then some internet labelling, then give it up, please.

- 2 metalfests is not their own labeling
- I have some song from them in a Metalcollection

That means absolutely nothing, some people label Koprn metal and do you see them here?
Their music is not metal, therefore they do not belong. Where they play is of no importance.
Period.

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TheGrimWombat
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 3:47 am 
 

Was "John Holmez" lost in the recent site issues, or legitimately deleted?

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 9:39 am 
 

TheGrimWombat wrote:
Was "John Holmez" lost in the recent site issues, or legitimately deleted?

Definitely NOT deleted.
Resubmit.

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MutatisMutandis
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 3:02 pm 
 

I haven't bothered trying to submit them yet, but is Sleepytime Gorilla Museum passable as a "metal band"? I ask because Mr. Bungle is featured on the archives, and they're equally avant garde (if not less considering how everything past the s/t dropped the metallic qualities) than SGM.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 3:23 pm 
 

MutatisMutandis wrote:
I haven't bothered trying to submit them yet, but is Sleepytime Gorilla Museum passable as a "metal band"? I ask because Mr. Bungle is featured on the archives, and they're equally avant garde (if not less considering how everything past the s/t dropped the metallic qualities) than SGM.

No, they are not. Currently on the black list.
We judge here bands according to their most metal release, not their most borderline one.
Mr. Bungle's first demo was something like death metal.

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MMisantropo
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 6:07 pm 
 

Fulgurius wrote:
By the way, I remember some time ago someone asked about Great White and Witcher agreed that their first album was metal enough, but said that it needs to be discussed on mods forum. So what was the decision on them?


They were vetoed by the majority.

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literamaniac91
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:09 am 
 

Could someone please explain to me why they were deleted?

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TheGrimWombat
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:37 am 
 

Witcher wrote:
TheGrimWombat wrote:
Was "John Holmez" lost in the recent site issues, or legitimately deleted?

Definitely NOT deleted.
Resubmit.


Okay, thanks!

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kampfplatz666
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:14 pm 
 

An argentinian heavy/trash band, Awqanaquy, from the province of Tucuman, with an unnamed demo going hand by hand was rejected and some other bands with only a demo are allowed.
And in proof of their metal sound, and/or their existence, here are two live songs in a unknown presentation and in the metal Tuerca Rock fest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8mRxGlm3lc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avs--Nbyd3g

Hails!


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HellBlazer
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:25 pm 
 

literamaniac91 wrote:
Could someone please explain to me why they were deleted?


They were not deleted, but unfortunately lost in a database crash. I have just restored them from a backup.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 3:34 pm 
 

kampfplatz666 wrote:
An argentinian heavy/trash band, Awqanaquy, from the province of Tucuman, with an unnamed demo going hand by hand was rejected and some other bands with only a demo are allowed.
And in proof of their metal sound, and/or their existence, here are two live songs in a unknown presentation and in the metal Tuerca Rock fest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8mRxGlm3lc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avs--Nbyd3g

Hails!

You have to prove, that a physical release exist.
Read rule 7.
More importantly, this is not a metal band, but a rac/oi! one.
Not metal, does not belong.

And do not submit cover bands - that Ricardo one.

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kampfplatz666
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 7:32 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
kampfplatz666 wrote:
An argentinian heavy/trash band, Awqanaquy, from the province of Tucuman, with an unnamed demo going hand by hand was rejected and some other bands with only a demo are allowed.
And in proof of their metal sound, and/or their existence, here are two live songs in a unknown presentation and in the metal Tuerca Rock fest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8mRxGlm3lc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avs--Nbyd3g

Hails!

You have to prove, that a physical release exist.
Read rule 7.
More importantly, this is not a metal band, but a rac/oi! one.
Not metal, does not belong.

And do not submit cover bands - that Ricardo one.


Ok, I thought they were metal, and i still think that, since they always played with metal bands, in metal concerts, and they play heavy/trash covers ('Robo un Auto' from Hermetica is in youtube, for example)... But with that of the physical release I have nothing to say, i don't have the demo...
...Ricardo Iorio released his first album as solist a couple of days ago, and I submit it because i think it must be here, Ricardo Iorio is the highest personality of the argentinian metal scene (he was frontman of V8, Hermetica, Almafuerte) and the force behind the history of metal here (and almost every other argentinian should agree with that)...

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literamaniac91
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 7:35 pm 
 

HellBlazer wrote:
literamaniac91 wrote:
Could someone please explain to me why they were deleted?


They were not deleted, but unfortunately lost in a database crash. I have just restored them from a backup.


I thought so, thanks

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~Guest 62838
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:42 pm 
 

I don't want to bring up a dead topic, but what happened on the situation with Slipknot's newer release? Have they officially been rejected once again or are the mods still debating it? I remember reading a thread where many people stated that the newer album was metal enough to meet the site's standards.

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SpeedF
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Location: United States
PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:46 pm 
 

Viral wrote:
I don't want to bring up a dead topic, but what happened on the situation with Slipknot's newer release? Have they officially been rejected once again or are the mods still debating it? I remember reading a thread where many people stated that the newer album was metal enough to meet the site's standards.


lol you are an brave person.



regardless of what the majority of the forum users say, i think the new album has some very metal parts to it. Well, in a modern metalcore way. but metalcore is metal, garbage or not. it's up to the site owners to decide if they want the band on here or not. i doubt it, seeing as how the metal community has some sort of personal prejudice and hatred against Slipknot.
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 3:44 am 
 

kampfplatz666 wrote:
Witcher wrote:
kampfplatz666 wrote:
An argentinian heavy/trash band, Awqanaquy, from the province of Tucuman, with an unnamed demo going hand by hand was rejected and some other bands with only a demo are allowed.
And in proof of their metal sound, and/or their existence, here are two live songs in a unknown presentation and in the metal Tuerca Rock fest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8mRxGlm3lc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avs--Nbyd3g

Hails!

You have to prove, that a physical release exist.
Read rule 7.
More importantly, this is not a metal band, but a rac/oi! one.
Not metal, does not belong.

And do not submit cover bands - that Ricardo one.


Ok, I thought they were metal, and i still think that, since they always played with metal bands, in metal concerts, and they play heavy/trash covers ('Robo un Auto' from Hermetica is in youtube, for example)... But with that of the physical release I have nothing to say, i don't have the demo...
...Ricardo Iorio released his first album as solist a couple of days ago, and I submit it because i think it must be here, Ricardo Iorio is the highest personality of the argentinian metal scene (he was frontman of V8, Hermetica, Almafuerte) and the force behind the history of metal here (and almost every other argentinian should agree with that)...


The covers from metal bands do not save them. Their own music must be metal.
As for Ricardo Iorio, he has no own released material, only covers by other bands. Therefore it is cover/tribute project. I told you to read the rules on that and you come up with all Argentinians?? :roll:


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Witcher
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 3:46 am 
 

Viral wrote:
I don't want to bring up a dead topic, but what happened on the situation with Slipknot's newer release? Have they officially been rejected once again or are the mods still debating it? I remember reading a thread where many people stated that the newer album was metal enough to meet the site's standards.

Still not metal enough. There was not even a debate, it was dismissed by Morrigan upon hearing the new songs immediately.

The bands is blacklisted from the start, so there was no repeated rejection.

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silentmike
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 7:33 am 
 

I tried to submit my band Hatred Embraced, but it was rejected. We have a demo out, and I provided the cover. The e-mail I recieved said that there was either a lack of information or no apparent discography and that if I can prove that a demo was released I can re-submit it. How else can I prove it?

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 7:40 am 
 

silentmike wrote:
I tried to submit my band Hatred Embraced, but it was rejected. We have a demo out, and I provided the cover. The e-mail I recieved said that there was either a lack of information or no apparent discography and that if I can prove that a demo was released I can re-submit it. How else can I prove it?

You have to prove, that it was released in physical form - by links to trustful distros, fanzine reviews thatmention the art of the release or a scan of the whole release.
Cd-r with pen writings over it means nothing.

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silentmike
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 2:29 pm 
 

all of the copies that were distributed looked like that. If I can get someone to do a review will that work?

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 3:19 pm 
 

silentmike wrote:
all of the copies that were distributed looked like that. If I can get someone to do a review will that work?

No, unless it would be established fanzine, where we can be certain, that they will not mention the kind of release just to do you a favour.

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mentalselfmutilation
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 3:43 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
silentmike wrote:
I tried to submit my band Hatred Embraced, but it was rejected. We have a demo out, and I provided the cover. The e-mail I recieved said that there was either a lack of information or no apparent discography and that if I can prove that a demo was released I can re-submit it. How else can I prove it?

You have to prove, that it was released in physical form - by links to trustful distros, fanzine reviews thatmention the art of the release or a scan of the whole release.
Cd-r with pen writings over it means nothing.


In regards to this note, if the band themselves acknowledge it as a demo and physically sell copies of the demo which people payed for, does it count? I have a copy of a demo a band made in my area that looks like that, but postings in myspace bulletins advertised that copies were available at the show if anyone wanted to purchase them.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 3:54 pm 
 

mentalselfmutilation wrote:
Witcher wrote:
silentmike wrote:
I tried to submit my band Hatred Embraced, but it was rejected. We have a demo out, and I provided the cover. The e-mail I recieved said that there was either a lack of information or no apparent discography and that if I can prove that a demo was released I can re-submit it. How else can I prove it?

You have to prove, that it was released in physical form - by links to trustful distros, fanzine reviews thatmention the art of the release or a scan of the whole release.
Cd-r with pen writings over it means nothing.


In regards to this note, if the band themselves acknowledge it as a demo and physically sell copies of the demo which people payed for, does it count? I have a copy of a demo a band made in my area that looks like that, but postings in myspace bulletins advertised that copies were available at the show if anyone wanted to purchase them.

Yes, if such older blog notification exists, it can be proof enough. The word is older, not just made in the time of submission in oder to get a band accepted.

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silentmike
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 6:34 pm 
 

Well, I did post a blog about the demo when it first came out on our myspace page, but that page has since been deleted. Can I mail you a copy of the demo?

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 2:39 am 
 

silentmike wrote:
Well, I did post a blog about the demo when it first came out on our myspace page, but that page has since been deleted. Can I mail you a copy of the demo?

No, that would not help you.

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silentmike
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:50 am 
 

Is there any other way I can prove it then?

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:54 am 
 

silentmike wrote:
Is there any other way I can prove it then?

I have told you about all the possibilities.
If you do not have any such proofs, then you have to wait for a more convincing release by the band.

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silentmike
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 12:29 pm 
 

okay then

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mrchris
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:43 pm 
 

Would these guys be acceptable?

http://www.myspace.com/forenemiesofreason
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rexxz
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:35 pm 
 

This section isn't a preliminary area for asking if x band is acceptable.
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 2:53 am 
 

mrchris wrote:
Would these guys be acceptable?

http://www.myspace.com/forenemiesofreason

Certainly NOT, anyway.

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