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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 2:54 pm 
 

DukeofUnblackMetal wrote:
Its been on the rejected list since the beginning?
How come the email said not enough info, as opposed to "not-metal"?

Because I did not bother to listen to it, when there was no convincing release info.

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Fanfarigoule
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 2:55 pm 
 

You mean you were able to submit the band once? When?
I know the band had already been submitted by some other user on the release date (i.e. mid-November). It was rejected and blacklisted.

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DukeofUnblackMetal
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 2:58 pm 
 

Listening some more, the guitar compositions may not stand out a ton, but there is guitar in every song (except one). It has heavy ambient to it, but it is metal.


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DukeofUnblackMetal
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:00 pm 
 

Fanfarigoule wrote:
You mean you were able to submit the band once? When?
I know the band had already been submitted by some other user on the release date (i.e. mid-November). It was rejected and blacklisted.


I submitted the band last night. It got rejected because I did not submit enough info about the release. I researched some more today, and found a bunch more info, went to go resubmit it, and it said "band has been previously rejected for not being metal"

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:01 pm 
 

DukeofUnblackMetal wrote:
Listening some more, the guitar compositions may not stand out a ton, but there is guitar in every song (except one). It has heavy ambient to it, but it is metal.

To you, not to us. The decision was made.

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DukeofUnblackMetal
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:02 pm 
 

Alright. fair enough.

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Fanfarigoule
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:04 pm 
 

That puzzles me. You were able to submit the band once and the second time it said "previously rejected". That would mean that the band was blacklisted between both your attempts. Strange, considering that the band was rejected the first time because of lack of info. Besides, I remember having blacklisted the band myself in November.
Am I missing something?

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DukeofUnblackMetal
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:07 pm 
 

I'm not really sure. Unless someone else took it off the blacklist, and then someone else put it back on.

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Fanfarigoule
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:15 pm 
 

Yeah, maybe...

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:30 pm 
 

Fanfarigoule wrote:
Yeah, maybe...

No, the name contained "of Sorrw".

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Uxoria
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:43 pm 
 

Hi... I'm Uxoria... from Argentina... the man behind A Cloud in Circle...
I understand the reasons in the rejection... cause is not a pure metal!
but... I don't understand...

Fanfarigoule wrote:
Yes, as you have noticed the band is on the rejected list. I listened to check and yeah: it's not metal enough. We have 2 ambient tracks and a third track which resembles more to black metal than the other ones but is still far from making it.


Then... why these bands are not rejected?
Profane Grace: http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=38707
Vinterriket: http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=11800
Raven's Bane: http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=28882
Mysterian: http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=28884
Equimanthorn: http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=19311
Aghast: http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=14834
Amaka Hahina: http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3979
Arkane: http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=35950
Aäkon Këëtrëh: http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=14415
Bolverk: http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=31002
Boreb: http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=31839
Dark Ages (Ukr): http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=43053
De Infernali: http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=14461
Draug: http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=46925
Equitant: http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=71186
Eros Necropsique: http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=38855

and more than 694 search results for "ambient"!
(can you check this puting "ambient" in the Keyword Search in Music Genre)

I understand that I am not accepted! but there are many of these bands that haven't prooves to take part inside the page...
Someone can explain it to me?



PD: Just like LordSathan... Sorry for my poor english

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:46 pm 
 

They are either side projects or staff made exceptions. Read the written rules.
Anyway, ambient was never a metal genre and as such, has normally no place here and no more right to be here than techno, jazz or rap.

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Fanfarigoule
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:52 pm 
 

There might be some bands which shouldn't be here, though. If you know of a band which doesn't have worldwide distribution, you can report it in the appropriate thread. All the LLN stuff is part of the staff-made exceptions.

Witcher wrote:
No, the name contained "of Sorrw".

Ahh, that's it.

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DukeofUnblackMetal
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:58 pm 
 

I was not aware that I made a spelling error. I apologize for that.

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MystyForest
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 5:51 am 
 

Ok, I posted a band.. A side project that we, the members of Freezing Moon slovakia have created.

It is called "Caedo" and we have one selfreleased demo with 30 copies.
Its depressive black metal.

What else do I need to do so it wouldnt be rejected all the time.

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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 6:08 am 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/guidelines.php
-> rule 5
must be a metal band
=> offer some evidence (offer links to the music)


-> rule 7
must have a release out
=> offer some evidence (photo of a release and add it in a report after you have finished the submission)
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MystyForest
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 6:29 am 
 

oneyoudontknow wrote:
-> rule 7
must have a release out
=> offer some evidence (photo of a release and add it in a report after you have finished the submission)


Ok, how do I create a submission report to add some links and pics in it?


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Fanfarigoule
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 6:32 am 
 

Reporting is accessible once you submitted the band.

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MystyForest
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 6:46 am 
 

Fanfarigoule wrote:
Reporting is accessible once you submitted the band.


I didnt notice anithing, you mean the section where you can add releases? I added a release, also with lyrics and picture

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 6:51 am 
 

MystyForest wrote:
Fanfarigoule wrote:
Reporting is accessible once you submitted the band.


I didnt notice anithing, you mean the section where you can add releases? I added a release, also with lyrics and picture

There were no links and the cover was only computer generated.
That proves nothing.

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Fanfarigoule
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 6:57 am 
 

MystyForest wrote:
I didnt notice anithing, you mean the section where you can add releases? I added a release, also with lyrics and picture

After that. When you are on the pending band's page. "Report additional info on this band"

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MystyForest
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 6:58 am 
 

Witcher wrote:
MystyForest wrote:
Fanfarigoule wrote:
Reporting is accessible once you submitted the band.


I didnt notice anithing, you mean the section where you can add releases? I added a release, also with lyrics and picture

There were no links and the cover was only computer generated.
That proves nothing.


Ok, I will provide links to music and take a photo of the release

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hellhippie
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 12:08 pm 
 

i submitted archaguthus,, they did a split with agathocles. it is in my hands right now ,, i looked on the archives and their it is , under AG's discography,
why did this get rejected ??
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Fanfarigoule
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 12:23 pm 
 

Doesn't seem to be metal.

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SynnRyder
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:35 pm 
 

Just wounder why Jag Wire were rejected? It's for sure bordeline band,but more metal than dozens of those who are in Archives. Like Sgt. Roxx . Album "Made In Heaven" have 8 songs. 4 of them are pure Heavy Metal,one Ballad and 3 Hard Rockers.So where's the problem?

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:43 pm 
 

SynnRyder wrote:
Just wounder why Jag Wire were rejected? It's for sure bordeline band,but more metal than dozens of those who are in Archives. Like Sgt. Roxx . Album "Made In Heaven" have 8 songs. 4 of them are pure Heavy Metal,one Ballad and 3 Hard Rockers.So where's the problem?

Hard Rock. There is no pure heavy metal on it, the second song may be closest. Otherwise too soft.
And stop with it more metal than dozens others, it will not help you just a bit.
Sgt. Roxx are far heavier, at least on the album. They have made a ballad collection on the myspace, apparently.

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urination
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 6:54 pm 
 

Wondering why Yakuza was rejected. I mean, the obvious thing is, "they aren't metal" but I have a feeling that they were reviewed a long time ago. I am listening to their latest release from Prosthetic Records, and they are clearly metal. I think they should at least be reconsidered.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 6:57 pm 
 

urination wrote:
Wondering why Yakuza was rejected. I mean, the obvious thing is, "they aren't metal" but I have a feeling that they were reviewed a long time ago. I am listening to their latest release from Prosthetic Records, and they are clearly metal. I think they should at least be reconsidered.

No, their style is the same.

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urination
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 7:26 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
urination wrote:
Wondering why Yakuza was rejected. I mean, the obvious thing is, "they aren't metal" but I have a feeling that they were reviewed a long time ago. I am listening to their latest release from Prosthetic Records, and they are clearly metal. I think they should at least be reconsidered.

No, their style is the same.
What specifically about their style is considered non-metal? All of the bands that sound anything like this are all metal, and for exactly the same reasons.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 7:42 pm 
 

urination wrote:
Witcher wrote:
urination wrote:
Wondering why Yakuza was rejected. I mean, the obvious thing is, "they aren't metal" but I have a feeling that they were reviewed a long time ago. I am listening to their latest release from Prosthetic Records, and they are clearly metal. I think they should at least be reconsidered.

No, their style is the same.
What specifically about their style is considered non-metal? All of the bands that sound anything like this are all metal, and for exactly the same reasons.

Everything. They are too core and alternative based. Besides that, respect our decisions. What you consider metalo will not help you here.

Also, statement like "every band that sounds like that is metal" is quite illogical and entirely subjective.

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urination
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 7:55 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
urination wrote:
Witcher wrote:
urination wrote:
Wondering why Yakuza was rejected. I mean, the obvious thing is, "they aren't metal" but I have a feeling that they were reviewed a long time ago. I am listening to their latest release from Prosthetic Records, and they are clearly metal. I think they should at least be reconsidered.

No, their style is the same.
What specifically about their style is considered non-metal? All of the bands that sound anything like this are all metal, and for exactly the same reasons.

Everything. They are too core and alternative based. Besides that, respect our decisions. What you consider metalo will not help you here.

Also, statement like "every band that sounds like that is metal" is quite illogical and entirely subjective.
That's true. I guess I just feel there are too many similarities to bands that are metal. To be honest, I trust my own experience and intuition regarding what metal sounds like. I mean, I've never heard anyone suggest a strict definition for what is metal, therefore the whole classification process on the whole is itself entirely subjective.

But I suppose being somewhat respected as an informational source, M-A must have some kind of system or definition. Are there definitions that the people who review submissions follow?

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Brutalicon
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:29 pm 
 

Not the German drummer, the Polish band.

I am new here, but i have to question why this band is rejected when Antigama and Third Degree both made the cut since Herman Rarebell is made up of those groups members and sounds quite bit like both.

With influences like the above bands, Brutal Truth, Napalm Death and the fact they play blistering grindcore more in line with death metal than straight ahead grindcore I would think they would be on this website.

I am not trying to be a smart ass, just curious.

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Suicidesire
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 9:33 pm 
 

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 4:33 am 
 

I see, another Iranian band withoutt physical releases, huh?!!
Besides that, the music is shitty ambient and not metal.


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Witcher
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 4:34 am 
 

Brutalicon wrote:
Not the German drummer, the Polish band.

I am new here, but i have to question why this band is rejected when Antigama and Third Degree both made the cut since Herman Rarebell is made up of those groups members and sounds quite bit like both.

With influences like the above bands, Brutal Truth, Napalm Death and the fact they play blistering grindcore more in line with death metal than straight ahead grindcore I would think they would be on this website.

I am not trying to be a smart ass, just curious.

They are still not death metal based enough.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 5:05 am 
 

urination wrote:
Witcher wrote:
urination wrote:
Witcher wrote:
urination wrote:
Wondering why Yakuza was rejected. I mean, the obvious thing is, "they aren't metal" but I have a feeling that they were reviewed a long time ago. I am listening to their latest release from Prosthetic Records, and they are clearly metal. I think they should at least be reconsidered.

No, their style is the same.
What specifically about their style is considered non-metal? All of the bands that sound anything like this are all metal, and for exactly the same reasons.

Everything. They are too core and alternative based. Besides that, respect our decisions. What you consider metalo will not help you here.

Also, statement like "every band that sounds like that is metal" is quite illogical and entirely subjective.
That's true. I guess I just feel there are too many similarities to bands that are metal. To be honest, I trust my own experience and intuition regarding what metal sounds like. I mean, I've never heard anyone suggest a strict definition for what is metal, therefore the whole classification process on the whole is itself entirely subjective.

But I suppose being somewhat respected as an informational source, M-A must have some kind of system or definition. Are there definitions that the people who review submissions follow?

They are in the guidelines. That much you should know already before you try to submit something.

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steveh
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 2:07 pm 
 

Iron Thrones has released two discs thus-far, one EP, and one Full-Length. I understand that the full-length hasn't physically been released yet, but it's at the printers as of last Friday, and will be released by the end of the week physically online and in select stores. It has already received positive reviews at metalreview.com and other online publications as well.

Do you really want me to wait until Friday to re-submit?

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Fanfarigoule
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 2:15 pm 
 

steveh wrote:
Do you really want me to wait until Friday to re-submit?

Of course.

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steveh
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 2:23 pm 
 

Fanfarigoule wrote:
steveh wrote:
Do you really want me to wait until Friday to re-submit?

Of course.
Fair enough, I'll wait until then!

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twophoton
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:34 pm 
 

Can someone tell me why Agoraphobic Nosebleed is not on the archives? I thought it was because they are grindcore, but there are other grindcore bands listed.
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