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~Guest 153339
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:44 pm 
 

If you read the rules, you'd realize that pure grindcore is not accepted, nor is it on the archives. The bands that are grindcore would have to contain some sort of metal influence, possibly being death/grind like Napalm Death.

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twophoton
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 10:27 pm 
 

Ok, fine. The MA policy is that grindcore bands aren't listed (that's what I had thought). But in practice, there are bands that are listed and labeled solely as "grindcore" with no other modifiers ("death" or otherwise). Here are examples:

Fuck...I'm Dead - "grindcore"
Discordance Axis - "grindcore"
Pig Destroyer - "grindcore" (funny, because Scott Hull was in AN)

If grindcore is not metal, why are these allowed? If these are considered "grind/death", then they are clearly mislabeled. "Grindcore" can't mean two different things at the same time. The purpose of classification is to assign labels to like groups. If two bands are considered grindcore, and one of them is allowed, and the other isn't, then clearly, they shouldn't be classified with the same tag. That's just common sense.
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twophoton
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 10:34 pm 
 

BTW, listen to the song "Kill Theme for American Apeshit" from Frozen Corpse Stuffed with Dope and tell me again AN are not metal. That's ridiculous. The whole album is filled with metal riffs. ???

To top it all off, Pig Destroyer are on the archives and labeled simply as "grindcore". Like all of a sudden Scott Hull became a metal guitarist in that band and not the first one. Again, with the same label.
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GrtUnclean
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 3:58 am 
 

Just a question about Hammer Horde, was it rejected because their album has not been released yet and should I re-submit it after they release the album.

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LucasfuckingDan
Mallcore Kid

Joined: Tue Jan 06, 2009 3:52 am
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 4:04 am 
 

I tried submitting Andrew W.K. with his album I Get Wet because I believe it sounds pretty metal. But it got rejected. What gives?

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:13 am 
 

LucasfuckingDan wrote:
I tried submitting Andrew W.K. with his album I Get Wet because I believe it sounds pretty metal. But it got rejected. What gives?

Not metal. Trolling, are we?


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Witcher
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:14 am 
 

GrtUnclean wrote:
Just a question about Hammer Horde, was it rejected because their album has not been released yet and should I re-submit it after they release the album.

Yes.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:17 am 
 

twophoton wrote:
Ok, fine. The MA policy is that grindcore bands aren't listed (that's what I had thought). But in practice, there are bands that are listed and labeled solely as "grindcore" with no other modifiers ("death" or otherwise). Here are examples:

Fuck...I'm Dead - "grindcore"
Discordance Axis - "grindcore"
Pig Destroyer - "grindcore" (funny, because Scott Hull was in AN)

If grindcore is not metal, why are these allowed? If these are considered "grind/death", then they are clearly mislabeled. "Grindcore" can't mean two different things at the same time. The purpose of classification is to assign labels to like groups. If two bands are considered grindcore, and one of them is allowed, and the other isn't, then clearly, they shouldn't be classified with the same tag. That's just common sense.

Stop caring how the band s are labeled. Even the bands labelled as grindcore are death metal or thrash metal based enough, only in their case, the term is more fittting.

And read the rules, what you thought is not what they actually say.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:19 am 
 

twophoton wrote:
BTW, listen to the song "Kill Theme for American Apeshit" from Frozen Corpse Stuffed with Dope and tell me again AN are not metal. That's ridiculous. The whole album is filled with metal riffs. ???

To top it all off, Pig Destroyer are on the archives and labeled simply as "grindcore". Like all of a sudden Scott Hull became a metal guitarist in that band and not the first one. Again, with the same label.

Not metal. No band would get accepted because of one song, even if it was metal.


If Scott Hull plays in other band does not matter at all. You do not even try to think logically. Why do you even try to argument with different project? Yes, Pig Destroyer were deemed acceptable and sound different than AN.
Besides that and that goes for all, the point of this thread is NOT to argue about famous non-metal bands.

This thread is for bands, that are less known and were rejected for lack of proof of metalness, or have some less known metal releases by otherwise non-metal band, which the users can present. Or in case that a famous non-metal band releases a metal album, different from their old style.
Again, if you expect that you will argue for hours about famous non-metal bands, which we have heard and we will give in in the end, you are fatally wrong.

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Davide_Montoro
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:52 am 
 

On the Deviant Pulse page, you can also add the link for:

Nicola - Guitar (Handful Of Hate!)
Andrea - Drums (Handful Of Hate)
Luca - Vocals (Anonima Sequestri)

Infact if you see AS page, there is a ( ) with written Deviant Pulse in.


another thing:

in the Handful of Hate, in the lineup, Deviant Pulse is without link and is written incorrect, Deimos is EX-Coram Lethe, and the photo of the band must be updated, with some of this, choose the best !

http://www.handfulofhate.com/gallery.htm


THANKS!!!

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LucasfuckingDan
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:54 am 
 

Witcher wrote:
LucasfuckingDan wrote:
I tried submitting Andrew W.K. with his album I Get Wet because I believe it sounds pretty metal. But it got rejected. What gives?

Not metal. Trolling, are we?



Wrong and wrong. Have you even heard the one album? How do you decide if it is not? Give me your in-depth opinion.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:54 am 
 

Use the report function, NOT THIS THREAD.
Also, stop reporting the ex-tags, we do not use them.

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Davide_Montoro
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:05 am 
 

Witcher wrote:
Use the report function, NOT THIS THREAD.
Also, stop reporting the ex-tags, we do not use them.

is referred to my post or what?

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:06 am 
 

Davide_Montoro wrote:
Witcher wrote:
Use the report function, NOT THIS THREAD.
Also, stop reporting the ex-tags, we do not use them.

is referred to my post or what?

Certainly.
Also, the pictures are too big, if you want a new one, provide one in appropriate format. Read the rules on how large it can be and the FAQ on how to report it.

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twophoton
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:53 am 
 

Witcher wrote:
Not metal. No band would get accepted because of one song, even if it was metal.


Edit: Message retracted. There's no point arguing.
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Agony_Index
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:22 am 
 

I submitted Five Bolt Main, but it was rejected, because of no discography or so...but I added their last album with the band too. why it was rejected???????

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Agony_Index
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:26 am 
 

I also tried to submit Nebuleyes from france, here again: "no discography", but here I added 2 (!!!) albums of them. what the fuck is wrong?

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:29 am 
 

Agony_Index wrote:
I also tried to submit Nebuleyes from france, here again: "no discography", but here I added 2 (!!!) albums of them. what the fuck is wrong?

It is your problem, that you cannot comprehend the rejection message. Read it again. Then read rule 7. Also read what is written directly in the queue.
Hint: It speaks about lack of info too...

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Agony_Index
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:48 am 
 

yes, rule 7 is about physical records. i think i understood that. but i added 2 (!!) physical records with the band, including tracklist, record title, label name and so...

so, i still do not understand what the problem was!?!

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Mieresch
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:02 am 
 

Agony_Index wrote:
yes, rule 7 is about physical records. i think i understood that. but i added 2 (!!) physical records with the band, including tracklist, record title, label name and so...

so, i still do not understand what the problem was!?!

Prove that it's physical, with a convincing review, a place to order it or a photo of the whole release.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:10 am 
 

dust666 wrote:
Agony_Index wrote:
yes, rule 7 is about physical records. i think i understood that. but i added 2 (!!) physical records with the band, including tracklist, record title, label name and so...

so, i still do not understand what the problem was!?!

Prove that it's physical, with a convincing review, a place to order it or a photo of the whole release.


http://www.nebuleyes.com/
Besides that, according to their site, the albums are clearly only digital releases, they offer only paid downloads there.

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Agony_Index
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:28 pm 
 

Oh ok, than it's my fault. Sorry guys!

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elathan
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 7:27 pm 
 

I tried submitting Astral Luminous earlier, the first time was because i forgot to submit releases as well, but I tried again a second time putting in 4 releases and it still got rejected because there wasn't enough info?

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~Guest 153339
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 7:35 pm 
 

elathan wrote:
I tried submitting Astral Luminous earlier, the first time was because i forgot to submit releases as well, but I tried again a second time putting in 4 releases and it still got rejected because there wasn't enough info?


Astral Luminous physically releases their debut on Feb 27. As of yet, they have nothing "physical" so they would not be accepted.

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tkmikkelsen
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:46 pm 
 

Quick question for a newbie on these boards. Is there a place where you can see the full list of bands that have been rejected?
I don't want to submit bands that have already been submitted and rejected.

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Fanfarigoule
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 3:40 am 
 

There is, but visible for mods only. A little search would have returned what you search for:
http://metal-archives.com/board/viewtop ... 89&start=0 (up-to-date as of August 2007)

Here are some threads which contain answers as to why such a thing is not wanted.
http://metal-archives.com/board/viewtop ... ected+list
http://metal-archives.com/board/viewtop ... ected+list
http://metal-archives.com/board/viewtop ... ected+list

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DawnOfEternity
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 5:18 am 
 

Why isn't Leif Edling's (Candlemass bassist) on this page? It's pretty damn metal if you'd ask me: http://www.myspace.com/leifedling
His album has been released in November 2008.

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Fanfarigoule
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 5:41 am 
 

Why don't you try to submit it then?

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 5:46 am 
 

DawnOfEternity wrote:
Why isn't Leif Edling's (Candlemass bassist) on this page? It's pretty damn metal if you'd ask me: http://www.myspace.com/leifedling
His album has been released in November 2008.

Physically?
I see only notice about download on his myspace.

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Fanfarigoule
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 5:47 am 
 

Witcher wrote:
Physically?
I see only notice about download on his myspace.

I did some research and his album is available physically (even on vinyl):
http://shop.textalk.se/en/artgrp.php?id=1329&grp=155062

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brokenopen
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:23 am 
 

Hi, I recently submitted Northwest Royale for consideration but it was rejected for not having a discography. Their last album came out on a label with distribution thru ADA, and I listed the label (Rock Ridge) in my submission. An album review from KNAC.com is here (http://www.knac.com/article.asp?ArticleID=4735), even though the guy pigeonholes it as a "hardcore" band... which they're not.

How do I resubmit? Thanks in advance, and I really like this site. Great concept.

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Fanfarigoule
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:30 am 
 

According to their MySpace page, it's pretty obvious that they have released something. But I'd say it's not metal enough. Other opinions?

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:39 am 
 

Fanfarigoule wrote:
According to their MySpace page, it's pretty obvious that they have released something. But I'd say it's not metal enough. Other opinions?

Yes, too much like Hatebreed.

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Mlotek
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 1:03 pm 
 

I submitted Auflader (Bangladesh) today, yet it was rejected

and I am seeing others have the same problem, but when you have some goofy joke who supposedly releases like 50 garbage cdrs that nobody will ever order...

So I have to find somebody to take a picture of a cassette tape mailed to me??
This is ridiculous.
You have other bands like ABYSM who had limited releases too, but I don't see a photo of their cd or tape!

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 1:07 pm 
 

Mlotek wrote:
I submitted Auflader (Bangladesh) today, yet it was rejected

and I am seeing others have the same problem, but when you have some goofy joke who supposedly releases like 50 garbage cdrs that nobody will ever order...

So I have to find somebody to take a picture of a cassette tape mailed to me??
This is ridiculous.
You have other bands like ABYSM who had limited releases too, but I don't see a photo of their cd or tape!

You will have to prove it. Every band must have physical release and myspace proves nothing.

If you do not want to provide it, fine, but do not expect the band to be accepted and do no try to submit anything then.

We make the decision basded on written rules, you are bound to follow them and not to constantly question them- loss of time for us.

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Mlotek
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 1:07 pm 
 

"Mallcorekid" ?

I submitted correct information a number of times on Toronto area bands, that I tapetraded for 10 years, and yet you would reject it in favour of somebody from the middle of nowhere in Europe, who would have had no clue what to do in a moshpit at a Sacrifice show back in the day.

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Fanfarigoule
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 1:10 pm 
 

What's the problem, exactly?

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 1:11 pm 
 

Mlotek wrote:
"Mallcorekid" ?

I submitted correct information a number of times on Toronto area bands, that I tapetraded for 10 years, and yet you would reject it in favour of somebody from the middle of nowhere in Europe, who would have had no clue what to do in a moshpit at a Sacrifice show back in the day.

Are you really that clueless to whine about a forum rank, which has every new user and which means nothing?
Words mean nothing, you have to present proofs like anybody else. Your childish tough guy pose will not help you.
NOTHING about physical release here, no proof:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu ... =436791555

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tkmikkelsen
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:45 pm 
 

Fanfarigoule wrote:
There is, but visible for mods only. A little search would have returned what you search for:
http://metal-archives.com/board/viewtop ... 89&start=0 (up-to-date as of August 2007)

Here are some threads which contain answers as to why such a thing is not wanted.
http://metal-archives.com/board/viewtop ... ected+list
http://metal-archives.com/board/viewtop ... ected+list
http://metal-archives.com/board/viewtop ... ected+list


Thank you for your help.

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Fanfarigoule
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:59 pm 
 

Just submit the band and you'll be warned if the band has been previously rejected, you can from there on cancel the submission or go on. And if you might think the band has been rejected before and don't want to spend too much time in filling in the fields if the band ends up being rejected, concentrate on the main things.

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