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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:35 am 
 

AurvandiL wrote:
Another "metalness" issue, hey?
You should listen to more than one sample to have a precise idea of the music they play.
I own a split LP, which is even more metal than the Agathocles part. They play Grindcore with huge crust and death metal influences. But again, I seem to be talking into the fucking void.

All songs on their myspace are absolutely unacceptable, noisy grind.
Not a trace of metal in them.
If they have some completely other, more death metal based material, it is up to you to present it. But I strongly doubt it will be largely different from the presented stuff.

Influences: Napalm Death, Agathocles, Rot, Disrupt, Anal Cunt, Dead Kennedys, Doom, Alliance ethnique, and many punk and grind band from all country.

Not really predominantly metal list.

"But again, I seem to be talking into the fucking void" If you mean, that you as many other users are unable to understand our policy on grindcore as an originally non-metal genre, then you are right.

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SpeedF
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:48 am 
 

my i ask the reason why the Cancer Bats were rejected? If you just listened to their myspace, you would have noticed that all those song are hardcore-sounding. Yes, the hardcore is still around on the newest album, but they also have some Sludgy sounding songs, i think enough to merit inclusion. Can post link to newest album?

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AurvandiL
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:09 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
"But again, I seem to be talking into the fucking void" If you mean, that you as many other users are unable to understand our policy on grindcore as an originally non-metal genre, then you are right.


A policy you seem to have trouble to accept yourself (cf Elysium case), but then again, it is typical of those who borne privileges to ill-use them.
Some band's "metalness" (or lack thereof) is so obvious, yet you refuse to see the evidence. Before such behaviour, little can be done, save observance of silence.

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hateXforest
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:23 pm 
 

http://www.myspace.com/duistermaanlicht
they have multiple releases and are 'black' metal and are rereleasing their cds soon. they have a high influence on the veluwsche area too
reply please, i never get replies

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:38 pm 
 

AurvandiL wrote:
Witcher wrote:
"But again, I seem to be talking into the fucking void" If you mean, that you as many other users are unable to understand our policy on grindcore as an originally non-metal genre, then you are right.


A policy you seem to have trouble to accept yourself (cf Elysium case), but then again, it is typical of those who borne privileges to ill-use them.
Some band's "metalness" (or lack thereof) is so obvious, yet you refuse to see the evidence. Before such behaviour, little can be done, save observance of silence.


Are you seriously accusing me of abuse of powers?
Name examples, since that is a serious insult for me.

The grindcore band in question is as unmetal as it gets. You can get opinions from more mods, but the majority will still be clearly against the inclusion, I am afraid.

You may not consider Elysium metal, I do. This is no abuse of powers, that is how it is. I have explained why, if you cannot accept it without being childish, your problem.
Grindcore bands are judged case by case.
So either you will apologize here and will take back that accusations, which you have pulled out of your ass, or present evidence.

If you cannot swallow the rejection of your fave grindcore/hc band, you should learn to argument with something better than idiotic accusations.
Besides that, you have provided no evidence, only a myspace with primitive noisegrind songs.


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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:42 pm 
 

hateXforest wrote:
http://www.myspace.com/duistermaanlicht
they have multiple releases and are 'black' metal and are rereleasing their cds soon. they have a high influence on the veluwsche area too
reply please, i never get replies

They are on the rejected list for years for being mostly noise, and I agree with it.
Probably placed there by site owners.

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GraveWish
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:53 pm 
 

Hello, a really really surprising rejection for the metal band Líam, please can someone familiar with the genre re-consider the band cause this is undoubtedly metal enough to be added on MA. http://www.pest666.com/releases/pest-006.php
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Bezerko
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:56 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
hateXforest wrote:
http://www.myspace.com/duistermaanlicht
they have multiple releases and are 'black' metal and are rereleasing their cds soon. they have a high influence on the veluwsche area too
reply please, i never get replies

They are on the rejected list for years for being mostly noise, and I agree with it.
Probably placed there by site owners.


Please, they're clearly black metal. Not good black metal in any sense of the imagination, but judging from the myspace tracks, CLEARLY acceptable black metal.

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MMisantropo
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:56 pm 
 

AurvandiL wrote:
Witcher wrote:
"But again, I seem to be talking into the fucking void" If you mean, that you as many other users are unable to understand our policy on grindcore as an originally non-metal genre, then you are right.


A policy you seem to have trouble to accept yourself (cf Elysium case), but then again, it is typical of those who borne privileges to ill-use them.
Some band's "metalness" (or lack thereof) is so obvious, yet you refuse to see the evidence. Before such behaviour, little can be done, save observance of silence.


There isn't a single ounce of metal in that band, I bet they'd be offended by such assumption.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:57 pm 
 

GraveWish wrote:
Hello, a really really surprising rejection for the metal band Líam, please can someone familiar with the genre re-consider the band cause this is undoubtedly metal enough to be added on MA. http://www.pest666.com/releases/pest-006.php

Fuzzy, psychedelic, unstructered guitar sounds are as far from metal as it gets (first song).
This is something for alternative rockers, not metalheads. Not more metal than My Bloody Valentine.
The second sample has more controlled parts resembling doom, but still, rather borderline.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:05 pm 
 

Bezerko wrote:
Witcher wrote:
hateXforest wrote:
http://www.myspace.com/duistermaanlicht
they have multiple releases and are 'black' metal and are rereleasing their cds soon. they have a high influence on the veluwsche area too
reply please, i never get replies

They are on the rejected list for years for being mostly noise, and I agree with it.
Probably placed there by site owners.


Please, they're clearly black metal. Not good black metal in any sense of the imagination, but judging from the myspace tracks, CLEARLY acceptable black metal.

The last song is black metal, the others are still rather borderline, especially En Sneuw..

The older songs were more noisy, that is right.

The genre has apparently quite a low standards nowadays...
But there should be a wider consensus in a case of such band.

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MMisantropo
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:06 pm 
 

GraveWish wrote:
Hello, a really really surprising rejection for the metal band Líam, please can someone familiar with the genre re-consider the band cause this is undoubtedly metal enough to be added on MA. http://www.pest666.com/releases/pest-006.php


Their own label calls them post rock/metal and you act like they're the most fuckin' metal band on planet Earth. You must think that Sigur Rós is more metal than Destruction. These guys wouldn't recognize a metal riff even if it cut their dicks off with a rusted spoon.

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SitraAhra
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:09 pm 
 

SONIC YOUTH sounds more "Metal" than this Líam experimental band.

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MMisantropo
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:13 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
Bezerko wrote:
Witcher wrote:
hateXforest wrote:
http://www.myspace.com/duistermaanlicht
they have multiple releases and are 'black' metal and are rereleasing their cds soon. they have a high influence on the veluwsche area too
reply please, i never get replies

They are on the rejected list for years for being mostly noise, and I agree with it.
Probably placed there by site owners.


Please, they're clearly black metal. Not good black metal in any sense of the imagination, but judging from the myspace tracks, CLEARLY acceptable black metal.

The last song is black metal, the others are still rather borderline, especially En Sneuw..

The older songs were more noisy, that is right.

The genre has apparently quite a low standards nowadays...
But there should be a wider consensus in a case of such band.


Sounds like typical norsecore to me. I personally wouldn't call it metal, but most people do, including on this site. I don't see why they'd be out of place here, specially after hearing the song "In het Klooster...".

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GraveWish
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:14 pm 
 

MMisantropo wrote:
GraveWish wrote:
Hello, a really really surprising rejection for the metal band Líam, please can someone familiar with the genre re-consider the band cause this is undoubtedly metal enough to be added on MA. http://www.pest666.com/releases/pest-006.php


Their own label calls them post rock/metal and you act like they're the most fuckin' metal band on planet Earth. You must think that Sigur Rós is more metal than Destruction. These guys wouldn't recognize a metal riff even if it cut their dicks off with a rusted spoon.


I never said that they are not borderline also I rarely submit non borderline bands I don't really like old school anyway their own label calls their album doom, post-rock (Doom Metal / Post Rock band from Germany Solitude,isolation & melancholic) and I submitted the band as atmospheric sludge metal/post-rock and I consider this is a fair description for the sound http://www.myspace.com/myjourneytothesky and please dont tell me to see the myspace description cause this is really funny
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GraveWish
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:15 pm 
 

SitraAhra wrote:
SONIC YOUTH sounds more "Metal" than this Líam experimental band.


Keep commenting every post under my username, dunno what's your problem dude?
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hateXforest
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:24 pm 
 

http://www.evigmorke.cjb.net/
they had 2 releases on Sneeuwstorm Produkties, a relatively notable christian european-black label.
http://www.geocities.com/sneeuwstormpro ... eset-2.htm
if you go to distro and you scroll down, their album is in a list of releases. you can order it for 4.5 euros by contacting the label.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:30 pm 
 

hateXforest wrote:
http://www.evigmorke.cjb.net/
they had 2 releases on Sneeuwstorm Produkties, a relatively notable christian european-black label.
http://www.geocities.com/sneeuwstormpro ... eset-2.htm
if you go to distro and you scroll down, their album is in a list of releases. you can order it for 4.5 euros by contacting the label.

I have never seen such release in another distro, be it christian (Nordic Mission, Blastbeats etc). or secular. Release is doubtful.
The first demo apparently does not exist, since there is no trace of it on the web outside of the band site.

A christian bm demo in 1998 would certainly cause a noticeable stir, if it was released.

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hateXforest
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:36 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
hateXforest wrote:
http://www.evigmorke.cjb.net/
they had 2 releases on Sneeuwstorm Produkties, a relatively notable christian european-black label.
http://www.geocities.com/sneeuwstormpro ... eset-2.htm
if you go to distro and you scroll down, their album is in a list of releases. you can order it for 4.5 euros by contacting the label.

I have never seen such release in another distro, be it christian (Nordic Mission, Blastbeats etc). or secular. Release is doubtful.
The first demo apparently does not exist, since there is no trace of it on the web outside of the band site.

A christian bm demo in 1998 would certainly cause a noticeable stir, if it was released.


Winterkou is signed to the label and has released through sneeuwstorm, in fact, theyre still signed to them. and nokternal hemizphear has recently been reissuing these band's cds and such. i feel this band is just a forgotten one from the christian bm movement

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MMisantropo
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:39 pm 
 

GraveWish wrote:
I never said that they are not borderline also I rarely submit non borderline bands I don't really like old school anyway their own label calls their album doom, post-rock (Doom Metal / Post Rock band from Germany Solitude,isolation & melancholic) and I submitted the band as atmospheric sludge metal/post-rock and I consider this is a fair description for the sound http://www.myspace.com/myjourneytothesky and please dont tell me to see the myspace description cause this is really funny


I can't force you to enjoy old-school metal, but you should know those are the standards any band's metalness is to be compared against. Any doom metal should be sonically traceable to Pentagram and St. Vitus. To sound like newer Anathema or Neurosis is not enough.

To call this band Liám metal is equivalent to listening to the first 30 seconds of Raining Blood (the noisy part) on repeat and deducing that that's what thrash metal is all about.

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SitraAhra
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:40 pm 
 

Quote:
a forgotten one from the christian bm movement


:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:46 pm 
 

SitraAhra wrote:
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a forgotten one from the christian bm movement


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Yes, that is about it.

The evidence is as unconvincing as it gets.

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hateXforest
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:32 am 
 

duister maanlicht is black enough to be considered metal, norsecore would be alot less screechy and probably would have better recording quality. just think about it, and talk amongst yourselves about the band. if you want me to add them, then just let me know, because there is a lot of history behind them and have close connections with winterkou, verdelger, borgazur, heidenland, bloedoffer, slechtvalk, and many other bands. so if not added because being full on black metal, they should be added for their historical importance in the christian 'black' scene

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:44 am 
 

hateXforest wrote:
..they should be added for their historical importance in the christian 'black' scene

Do you actually think before you say something like that?
If Borgazur will be accepted, it will be on their music only.
Importance is not a valid criterium, especially for a fictious christian black metal scene, which is overfilled with confused holy kvlt kiddies, who think demonic corpsepaint and evil posing is the best way to express their devoutness and who took the spoof Horde album too seriously. To it comes, that apparently to them gothic metal with keyboards and growls is the real black metal, a counterpart to death metal....

All those christian metal bands are musically not different than their non-religious counterparts, in fact, there is not one style of metal that would be inherently christian or specifically musically christian.

Besides that, they say that they do not consider themselves to be a christian band on their myspace.

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Matty_The_Emo_Slayer
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:47 pm 
 

Pogrom from Dublin "not metal"? Are you trying to take the piss? Listen again. Properly this time.

http://www.myspace.com/pogrom
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:58 pm 
 

Matty_The_Emo_Slayer wrote:
Pogrom from Dublin "not metal"? Are you trying to take the piss? Listen again. Properly this time.

http://www.myspace.com/pogrom


The band lists real metal influences, but unfortunately sounds like a mix of new Meshuggah and Deftones, which is pretty far from real metal.

I could listen to it 1000 times, the result will be the same.

Side note: Watch your tone. Provocations will gain you nothing, neither will emotional arguments. Stay constructive and to the point.

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Shuranator
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 1:41 pm 
 

Why does group Autarchy (Rus) was rejected? We have our self-released demo. It is free downloadable in the net. What shall we do to give you the proof of the release?
Does the PHYSICAL RELEASE mean that we must release it on the music label or something?

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 1:44 pm 
 

Shuranator wrote:
Why does group Autarchy (Rus) was rejected? We have our self-released demo. It is free downloadable in the net. What shall we do to give you the proof of the release?
Does the PHYSICAL RELEASE mean that we must release it on the music label or something?

Physical release mean, that it should be released in physical form a officially distributed to people - as LP, CD, CD-r, Tape or DVD.
Download is not a physical release.

If you do not have such release, your band cannot be accepted.
Rule 7 is clear on that.

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Shuranator
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 1:57 pm 
 

It can be self-distributed?

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:08 pm 
 

Shuranator wrote:
It can be self-distributed?

Yes, but in physical form.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:10 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
Shuranator wrote:
It can be self-distributed?

Yes, but in physical form.


And not privately, request-to-made cdrs or tapes, either. You should have them available already and either sell them through a website or through shows or some other medium. For example, passing out a few copies of it to your friends will not count.
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Shuranator
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:18 pm 
 

Ok. thank you!

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ineedmahshoe
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:16 pm 
 

Why was Moonn deleted?

I would assume because the album was digital download, but how come it was there before?

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mrchris
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:11 pm 
 

Does it have a physical release? Read rule #7
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BluntForce
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:22 pm 
 

MMisantropo wrote:
That video you posted starts promising, soon opts for one-note modern hardcore riffs, before going completely emo. Their other songs on Myspace all follow the same formula, but keep the metal-inspired riffing slightly longer.

So while I won't personally oppose their removal from the rejected list, I don't see much of a chance for them, seeing that bands of that same style but considerably more metal oriented have been vetoed. Let's see what the others moderators have to say.


so nt acceptable then??

and emo? you mean the melodic singing part i assume?
well, i would compare them to as i lay dying with more deathmetal influence, and AILD is on the archives, so i thin that should be taken into consideration.
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ineedmahshoe wrote:
Why was Moonn deleted?

I would assume because the album was digital download, but how come it was there before?


Either it was overlooked, or it was a special exemption (like the band linked in mrchris's signature, ironically enough) by one of the owners. I've never heard a word to the latter effect, and so off it went. An earlier poster in this thread claims that the band may have eventually put out a physical release, but was uncertain, and the band's website offers nothing in the way of confirmation of this. If you are certain that a physical release was indeed made, and can prove it in some way (photo, etc.), then the band can be resubmitted.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:53 am 
 

anybody? can i resubmit my bitter end or no?

if so, can we have as i lay dying deleted?
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:10 am 
 

BluntForce wrote:
anybody? can i resubmit my bitter end or no?

if so, can we have as i lay dying deleted?

No, it was decided that they are too borderline.

AS I Lay dying are metal enough. Who told you that you are allowed to make
such categoric silly claims? Either accept a borderline alternative tinged metalcore band or delete a band, which obviously belongs to the melodeath based metalcore wing... :nono:

This is exactly the kind of illogical pseudo-arguments, which all users should avoid.

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BluntForce
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:38 am 
 

Witcher wrote:
BluntForce wrote:
anybody? can i resubmit my bitter end or no?

if so, can we have as i lay dying deleted?

No, it was decided that they are too borderline.

AS I Lay dying are metal enough. Who told you that you are allowed to make
such categoric silly claims? Either accept a borderline alternative tinged metalcore band or delete a band, which obviously belongs to the melodeath based metalcore wing... :nono:

This is exactly the kind of illogical pseudo-arguments, which all users should avoid.


i do not see how as i lay dying is more metal than my bitter end, at all, and strongly disagree but its not my choice i guess
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:48 am 
 

Can I get some mod follow-up on my Hatebreed remark on page 7? I think a valid case can be made for their induction in the archives.

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