Arnocorps has a few releases by now, can I add them to the database? Way better than Austrian Death Machine if you ask me!

Also, if you guys don't consider City of Fire to be metal, what would you call it? They do mess around with some more ambient-type stuff on a few tracks, sure, but most of them are pretty balls-out.

http://www.cityoffire.com/index_flash.html

Hi, i receive the mail explaining that my "Luctus' Hydra" submission was rejected due to lack of proofs of phisical releases.

The problem here is that the band decide to release their album via internet, but is not just a MySpace sampler nor a stupid "bedroom band"
They make live performances often. Also, this band is the main project for 2 members, that have other bands included here, i mean.. they're a band formed by serious musicians in their scene. This CD is already out and they're working on the next one.
According to them in an interview for Mutilador Zine #8 (taken from their website)



I supose that they deserve to be here, since the physical release proof i understand, reading the guidelines, that is a way of prevention for the aparition of inexistent bands or bands that will never release anything, and this is not the case.

PD: The download file came with booklet art, so a "physical" proof could be the cd and booklet printed by oneself right? =P

So what? Do they have a CD or not? If they have one, good, if not, no.

Not only is that wholeheartedly dishonest, but we can usually tell if that is what was done.


He seems to have said "CD" as an analogy to "album", not to the physical disc itself. In which case, in order to be accepted onto MA the band must have released some of their works in a physical format. There are countless reasons to this, not the least being the prevention of non-existent or short-lived mp3 bands.

I recently posted the "Misty Forest" project.. its no 3minute one song shit, but a 5song half an hour of play..

20 selfproduced cds were made and given to people who had the interrest in this black ambient metal project.

pic of the first cd which I kept is here, and yes the cover is supposed to be UG black and white
http://usr.bandzone.cz/band/mi/mistyfor ... 437112.jpg

I dont know how else to proof.. have a nice day

I wonder why Creed of Sin is being rejected. I think they sound a lot like metal, don't they?
And the name is original, no other band has the same name
Here's the link: http://www.myspace.com/creedofsin

I resubmitted my bands' Scavenger info including pictures of a demo, bio and flyers as proof of our existence.

I did checked the files here and our band has been around way long before any other band here listed as SCAVENGER and was considered and listed.

If you have any further questions about my resubmission please email me at [email protected]

Ray Gayo

Can the mods please take a look at these "black listed" bands:

Mangled Condition , Death/Grind from Indonesia
Have a demo and a split:

sound samples:
http://www.myspace.com/mangledcondition
disco (demo & split):
http://witchingmetal.blogspot.com/2010/ ... -2009.html
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.c ... ID=7600114
Label:
http://www.myspace.com/humandiscountrecs[/quote]

Vendetta Spoken , Death Metal/Deathcore from USA

samples:
http://www.myspace.com/vendettaspoken
Disco and distro (cd sales):
http://www.nightlifemusic.com/music/cds.html

Darkness Before Dawn, melodic Death Metal from USA

Samples:
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/darknessbeforedawn
http://www.myspace.com/darknessbeforedawn
Disco & Label:
http://www.bombworksrecords.com/

Can these be taken of the "black list" and re-submitted?
Thanks again.

If you need a copy of our demo, Ill email it to you just email me with your email address!!

Per the other thread, Ascension of the Watchers was included as it's Burton's older side project. So in that regard, shouldn't City of Fire be included even if it isn't what you guys would consider 100% metal?

This isn't a big deal, I'm not going to do anything retarded like submit it every week or so, I just have nothing else to do right now and have decided to poke around on here to stir up an answer.

Well.. i didn't say that thinking of actually doing that, otherwise i would have done by now.
But in the other hand... i know at least 3 bands listed here that didn't release their demos or cds in the requested way. Its something obvious that a lot of bands have their "physical demos" who actually are just a homemade copy (a CD-R and a photocopied cover) distributed by free in their shows i.e.
I can't see the diference between that and this band... They just let the people do that, in fact, if i burn a CD and print the cover, i have the demo, exactly the same demo... or made in some band member's PC and given by him makes the demo more real, or different in any way?
The music is the same, the cover art is the same, the quality is exactly the same in every aspect, the only difference is the way of distribution.

What you're essentially doing in that case is creating a bootleg.

Bands who produce homemade copies and distribute them in some means, whether at shows for free or for a cost, are just as acceptable to MA as those bands who do so professionally. It is an official release; it can be on the cheapest physical format and distributed by many means in many forms. The digital release by this band is the official release. When you take those tracks, and put them to your own disc, you create a bootleg (which isn't considered a valid release by MA).

I'm just wondering, why isn't Ottawa progressive metal band Pysiedius not on the archives? They've got a physical release and they're totally metal.

Did you try to submit them?

People have done it before, and I think it's been rejected. I could try it again

I understand, and I agree with you. But if the band decides to do that forever, I mean, release online all their works... then will never be accepted here?

I think that is illogical, being this site the best in metal info, that a metal band with actual works released, is not listed due to some rule. I know that rules are made for something, but in this case they're faced with the goal of being a Encyclopaedia for metal music.

I don't wanna be annoying, but.. what is the purpose of this rule? (aside from avoiding inexistent bands or bands without works)

edit: sorry! double post

Digital-only bands are a highly controversial matter to deal with, primarily because we can't deny the existence of professional bands that rely solely on digital releases. However, at least for the time being, such bands remain an extreme minority compared to those bands that choose to release their works through traditional physical formats. It seems reasonable, for the time being, that the hallmark for acceptance remain based on the latter. If, sometime in the future, that changes, and releases on physical formats become a minority, then it can be assumed that the processes for submission would need to be changed. The likelihood of that happening is highly debatable, and personally unlikely, given the state of the music industry and the continual desire by people to own physical material objects - but the possibility is always there.

As for the reasoning for the rule, that is at the discretion of those who created the rules; the reasoning may be as straightforward and distinct as simply desiring to avoid non-existent or Myspace bands - as is given in the guidelines. It's no surprise that this issue is a highly arguable one, though; there are similarities and significant differences between digital and physical formats, and each argument has its merits - whether that argument is based on the formats' tangibility (material value), availability (distribution-wise), survivability (in terms of the format's longevity), or validity (whether or not the music could be altered - changed - to a state of being a bootleg). Ultimately, deriving a compromise between both is difficult in itself; they're two different beasts attempting to do the same thing (distribute music) through entirely different methods. For the time being, the rule as it stands omits these difficulties splendidly and practically, given the state of the current popularity of digital-only releases. That may change, time can only tell.

For now, unless that band releases something on a physical format, it can not be on MA.

I doubt there'll ever be a working rule for this extreme minority. If anything, such bands may one day be let through on a case-by-case as an official exception when the mods agree that the band in question fits the site standards well enough. You know, like when the band has a full line-up, has been going for years, is touring and generally playing live, appears on compilations and has several digital-only releases, there might be an exception being made there, but I doubt it'll happen today, tomorrow or any time in the nearest future, just something that might some time be considered.

I totally agree with this, and I think that is something that should be considered.
Here is an example.. I know that MA is not less because Luctus' Hydra is not here, but this site is recognized for being what is claim to be, an Encyclopaedia about metal. And at least one real, active band that deserves to be here, is missing in the Encyclopaedia. Could be fixed easily yet when this kind of bands are still a extreme minority.



PD: Thanks Derigin for the explanation! although I do not share your point of view (just partially) I totally understand it!

I tried adding ETHS to the website, but it seems it was allready rejected for not being metal enough. I'm not sure exactly why; the fact is that even though there's some high-pitched singing involved, there's also death metal. The guitars aren't slow, the backbeat is good, the singing is...special. Could someone rectify the mistake? Unless of course that band isn't metal enough, but then, why?

Here's a link to the clip of the song "Crucifère":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S97oUM_fjs8

Thanks for your consideration.

It's nu-metal, in no way death metal.

The album is ready but not released. They are searching for a label.

Hello, I've added to metal-archives on 30 or 31 january 2010 two bands: Zalef (polish, heavy metal/hard rock) and Hermano (american stoner rock/metal band with John Garcia on Vocals). Moreover I've had the box "check it if you wish to be notified by e mail about bands/revievs applied/rejected". I haven't got any reply yet and my mail hasn't got spam blockade onto metal-archives. The bands are not in submission queue and they aren't on the website. So what's the matter with them?

I'm newbie, thanks for a help.

Have you checked your spam folder anyway?

Hermano and Zalef are rock bands, not metal.

Yes, I've checked it away. I knew that Zalef would be rejected, but Hermano too...? The last Garcia's group played some metal tracks.

Yes, like Left Side Bleeding. But they are overall more rock than metal. I even like Hermano myself, so it's an objective answer I give you here.

OK, so thanks a lot for your understanding and Your attitude to stoner.

Why was Admiral Angry rejected???
www.myspace.com/admiralangry
This is metal.

Their musical style is remotely no where near metal. I don't listen to much punk, but they seem more like punk and not metal.

Yeah, it's some sort of post-hardcore.

The above was my previous post.

I'm wondering why I was rejected the first time I submitted this band, Eternal Voyager, then was told to submit it again with my picture of the demo given to me by the band. So I resubmitted only to have someone with LESS information than I gave submit it before me and be accepted. I'm wondering if this person read my original post and just beat me to submitting? I think I should at least get credit for submitting them since I did try to submit them I think 2 days before the other user. This doesn't make much sense to me. I had everything filled out including past members and the city it was formed in, which the other user doesn't. I also had proof of a physical release from the band.

I'm sorry if this isn't the right forum to ask it, but I couldn't find a better one. I have a qquestion to the moderators: is this Hungarian band, "Kárpátia" can be considered metal, or not? They don't have a MySpace page, but here are four examples of what is their style like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M2vRa6D ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IK9xwWNtQ4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo4mWzUx ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvXzdKDPElM

That's what you are looking for:
http://metal-archives.com/newband.php

Thanks

I hope you didn't understand I meant they are metal, I don't want to give you false hopes. I didn't listen to the samples. The place for asking whether a band is metal is the submission form. The answer is whether or not they are accepted.

Why was the Brutal Death Metal band Antropofago rejected? If you wanna have a proof of their existence, go there:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Antropofa ... 507?ref=mf

or there:

http://www.wikimetal.info/wiki/Antropofago

or there:

http://www.myspace.com/antropofagometal

or there:

http://www.spirit-of-metal.com/groupe-g ... -l-fr.html

or there:

http://www.4shared.com/u/prqqprts/77657 ... ofago.html

Don't tell me that you cannot type the name of a band in google to verify its existence. When typing "antropofago", the first results are results concerning the band... check it by yourself:

http://www.google.fr/search?q=antropofa ... =firefox-a

and where can I buy an album of them??? Smells like a MP3-only band. See rule 7; must have a physical release.

We won't google anything. It's up to you to provide the info.
What about the proof of physical release? Can't see it anywhere...