I don't understand why they were rejected, but alright, I'll add some more flyers and links, I hope that's proof enough with the pictures of their physical release.

"Eternal Slaves" CD
Front: http://img689.imageshack.us/i/img2300h.jpg/
Front with CD: http://img52.imageshack.us/i/img2302x.jpg/
Back: http://img188.imageshack.us/i/img2301v.jpg/

Live on Metal Attack Festival, Yerevan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44XH8ByRF6g

Mentioned on last.fm shoutbox: http://www.lastfm.de/music/Bohema (There's another Polish rock band with that name)

Flyer: http://rs.foto.radikal.ru/0709/95/1d01d974266b.jpg

Thread on a Georgian forum: http://www.georock.ge/forums/index.php?showtopic=14532

edit: Or is the problem that it's a Promo CD that was given away for free? In that case, what's the difference to a demo? It was available to the public, not only sent to labels and so on.

Could a mod take a look at this, please?

Thanks in advance

ljjj

Why was Acrimonious Vessel rejected? There is a physical release out, a split which was released yesterday through Depressive Illusions Records.

http://www.metal-archives.com/release.php?id=264304

Here is the page.

To assert my 'metalness', the tracks included on that split are on my Myspace to listen to.

The owner of Depressive Illusions Records just told me that the split is not out yet, I don't know who put the February 16th as the release date on that page. Also, I don't hear much metal on myspace.

Shards of Transcendence, I Walk with Sorrow, and Field of Dead Gods are both influenced by old Sunn O))) and Earth (percussionless drone) as well as Krohm and Abysmmal Sorrow. The other stuff is not metal as it is a completely different side of the music but still coming from the same source. Plus there is plenty of other material in the vein of brutal death/black metal/more doom that is not released.

I'll be resubmitting AV once the split is officially released.

I wanted to submit some bands but it seems to be on the black list:

Boreal

Physical proof: http://eternalwarfare.org/?page=viewite ... yesrestock

Atmospheric Black Metal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vDtgVH8ko8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcfQJI-rT7I


SUMP

Physical proof: http://mutant-ape.co.uk/cgi-bin/ss00000 ... ick+search

Raw Black Metal: http://www.mediafire.com/?wzodlmmlywz


Ahulabrum

Physical proof: http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuse ... =115860062

Experimental Black Metal: http://www.myspace.com/ahulabrum


Tree of Sores

Physical proof: http://www.foreverdoomed.com/forums/vie ... 9&p=506647 ("demo is now available..its the 2 tracks from the myspace with some dodgy photocopied inlay")

Sludge/Doom Metal: http://www.myspace.com/treeofsores

The canadian metal band "The Unavowed" was rejected for no apparent discography.

They have two EP's out which can be viewed here

http://www.theunavowed.com/music.html

I happen to know that they are physical releases because I own one of them.

Ahh, by answering someone else's question you answered one of mine: why City of Fire (another Burton C. Bell side project) isn't accceptable-lack of worldwide distribution for their physical release (anybody can download it obviously). I been wondering about that shit for a while, since the clearly NOT metal Ascension of the Watchers is in here.

Hi there totally not trying to be pushy or rude, it seems that I had posted in the middle of an arguement. If anyone has a moment I am very curious as to why Diemertus(www.myspace.com/diemertus) has been removed from the archives. I hope that there might be some possible answer, and hopefully a simple mistake.

Thanks again for your time.

The bands are blacklisted, because they are not metal. They are experimental noise, post -hardcore, ambient, punk etc.

Because they sound acceptable to you (your subjective opinion), does not mean that we will consider them metal enough.

Even the official info for Sump says:

"Mutant Ape's George and Barbarians' Gaz play harsh black metal influenced punk. First demo."

That as an example...

No, what you say does not provide any proof of metalness. You have to provide samples.

Furthermore:
a) drone music is not metal as a genre on its own
b) there can be some experimental doom bands like Earth that can make acceptable music, but that has to be judged case by case
c) Sunn O is a band that is itself very borderline, so to be influenced by them means usually more controversy than otherwise
d) all bands are judged individually.
e) mods almost always need samples in case of controversial bands, as explained in the rules

Metalcore, more -core than metal
Apparently they were part of the recent metalcore cleansing.

Here is his band's myspace:
http://www.myspace.com/vesselofbitterness
"Field of Dead Gods" and "Shards of Transcendence" are the songs from the upcoming split he talks about.

Thanks, not metal at all, as expected.

How are they not metal? You're probably not listening to the entire songs.

Edit: I could completely understand why Shards isn't considered 'metal' (obviously leans towards drone) but Fields, the general consensus is that it sounds like a 'really evil/blackened Sunn O))) ... with riffs'.

Completely absent of metal riffs, of metal typical songwriting, the "Shards" songs consists only of noises, the sesonds song of something that sounds like guitar tuning.

You can call it how you want, but it has musically nothing to do with doom metal, or any metal for that matter.
The result is bedroom ambient, nothing else. You are not the first with such project and do not be surprised when they get treated like this.

Something that sounds like guitar tuning? Wtf does that even mean? There are metal riffs in that song. How about I post up the version which contains actual blastbeats/tech death drumming/black metal vocals and your tune'll change fast.

There are no metal riffs, nothing that would remotely resemble real doom like Black Sabbah/Vitus. Black metal vocals will not save it, neither prgrammed blastbeats. What makes metal are certain riffs and songwriting, which your project both lacks.
It will stay blacklisted.
You strongly need a listening experience with more traditional metal styles.

As I said, you are not the first guy, that tries to pass off his bedroom ambient/noise/drone for metal and the treatment which it gets will be same as in similar cases - blacklisting.

Now I have heardd the music, the decision was made and you will have to accept it.

Funny how you don't even list it as metal on MySpace, yet want to list it as metal here on the archives.

I doubt he was going for a Black Sabbath sort of sound. However, there's no doubting that Field of Dead Gods contains a real guitar with real distortion. It's highly dissonant and has occasional feed back, but I interpret it as quite slow black metal. I don't really understand what other genre this song could be, if it were noise it would lack the distinctive punch of each strum of the guitar, and I think noise music is usually just made with electronics or treated guitars. While the guitar tone is noisy, I don't think it is treated. Just highly distorted.

I also hear about 4 different riffs and some variations of each riff throughout the song. There is a main riff that is repeated at times. Riffs wouldn't be out of place in black metal, but also have a detectable Sunn O))) influence.

----

Shards of Transcendence is definitely drone. I can't tell if it is a guitar or electronic based synths. It's noisy, if there is a guitar it is buried. Sounds neat though.

----

I Walk with Sorrow is definitely a metal song (to my ears), the riffs are more depressive black metal style (I can hear the Abyssmal Sorrow influence here). I don't even hear anything related to drone. To clarify, drone usually has a constant buzz or drone in the music either done by a guitar or other musical instrument, drone doom makes heavy use of these drones (which are those long extended notes in the background or foreground). Drone as a musical style has been around a lot longer than metal. Now, this song, from what I'm hearing, is more like funeral doom-paced depressive black metal. Minimalistic, with no drums or bass or anything else, just depressive black metal riffage and whispered vocals. As for song structure, this song seems to have a verse and a chorus, as well as a bridge or interlude and a very slight almost undetectable build up of power behind the guitar toward the end.

----

On the Joyless Transcendence album, there is one other track that I hear as metal, Old Ambrosia, depressive slow black metal. The other tracks are ambient.

----

This likely does not change anything the mods are going to do about Acrimonious Vessel. First, because on Joyless Transcendence, the songs are 2 metal out of 5 total, and on the split it's 1 metal and 1 ambient, and that's assuming I have any credibility with the mods (which is doubtful) with my blah blah blah explanation as to why I hear metal.

vondskapens_makt, I strongly suggest you don't take rejection personally, since you make quite interesting and atmospheric music. Rejection from the Metal Archives does not mean your music sucks, it just means your music doesn't fit the moderator's definition of metal. It is best to respect that and not argue rudely... but just politely bring up samples of any future releases that you believe are metal for the moderators to look at. In fact, if you make an album that completely worships Abyssmal Sorrow and you do it well and it has a similar atmosphere, that would be awesome since they are one of my favorite funeral doom bands. Not only will you have at least one person worshipping the ground you walk on, you'll likely get added to the Metal Archives since Abyssmal Sorrow is 100% metal.




Not unusual, I've seen doom bands (as in Black Sabbath worship doom bands) use just "Down-Tempo / Down-Tempo / Down-Tempo" and Esoteric I believe put their genre as "Other / Other / Other" at some point. I've also seen a band put their genre as "Melodramatic Vocal Chant" or something similarly LOLWUTlike.

In agreement with what Witcher stated, Acrimonious Vessel primarily is not metal; it seems comprised mainly of drone/ambient/noise music. The metal influences play a minor part in the overall composition of the music as a whole. I do not mean this as an offense, vondskapens_makt, for stating it isn't metal does not prescribe that it is either good or bad music in its own right.

Claiming bands as comparisons and influences to the band in question does it no justice; bands are accepted on their own music, not on whether or not they are influenced by X band or can be compared to a certain work of Y band. Keep in mind that the problem in comparing bands for 'metalness' is what and how you're comparing; more often than not, comparisons run the risk of comparing the non-metal attributes of one band to the non-metal attributes of another. Somehow that is used as justification for acceptance as a metal band, given the inclusion of one band in MA already. Many bands on MA have non-metal attributes, but for those bands, the non-metal is outweighed by the metal. In this case, it is not.

Goatfangs, if you must justify a band's inclusion by picking apart individual tracks, especially from an album as a whole, then what you're opting to do is grasping for straws. It can't be denied that some songs have stronger metal influences than others - and in some cases no metal influences whatsoever - but as a whole the music of Acrimonious Vessel (at this present time) appears to be primarily non-metal. Your statement on the Joyless Transcendence album agrees with that, and your conclusion (in part) seems credible.

The naming of genres on Myspace, on the other hand, is another disturbing issue entirely.

There goes my plan of submitting Nirvana for their often cited Celtic Frost influence.

Well that cleared everything up!

@Goatfangs: Yeah, I utilize a real guitar. It is just layered, very dissonant, and produced to have that sort of tone. My original goal was to try to convey a voidlike feeling and minimalism plays a huge role in my music and being a major part of my creative process. Thanks for sort of properly reviewing the album also. Good job catching which song was Abyssmal Sorrow influenced (I Walk With Sorrow). It sort of goes in the same vein as "In Misery There Can Be Comfort" from their EP.

@Witcher: I understand wholeheartedly your decision. I don't feel butthurt or angered by rejection from the archives. I acknowledge that my music borders more on drone/ambient than metal, and I'm not trying to purposely 'be metal' with my music. I am just making what comes from me. I've gotta say though, the way I've seen you reject bands, the vibe you give off is a sort of scathing, condescending vibe. No need for that dude.

By the way, there are no programmed drums in my project. The times there IS percussion I have a real drummer for that. o_o;

I have been working on a release with a full-lineup however on material which for the most part is a modern-day tribute to diSEMBOWELMENT (all-time favorite band), attempting to reenvision that album and effectively their sound to the modern-day extremes. The next time I head to the studio I'll be sure to record some of the material which so far is turning out to sound like some brutal death/feedback-laden drone/WitTR black metal sounding mesh; by the mods standards would constitute as metal. Guess I'll try again then.

EH?vocals?

^^^

I think this guy is talking about this band as he brought them up in the Metal Discussion in regards to them not being listed on the site.

For one thing, they sound more like technical/progressive metalcore with some melodic and brutal death metal influences than the other way around, which makes their sound more -core than metal and therefore not metal enough to be included on the site.

Also, this store says their debut album isn't going to be released until April 23rd. Their myspace mentions a 3-song demo but I couldn't find anything to indicate that this demo was released physically.

You can try your case, but I don't see it being very likely that the band will be added, especially not until they've got a physical release under their belts and even then not unless the mods find it to be more metal than not.

wheres a breakdown?

Since when are breakdowns the only musical element of modern hardcore?

I had Dining in Tuscany rejected because of an apparent lack of discography. I didn't put enough information because, frankly, I was too lazy to find some at the point, but now that I'm not too lazy;

http://www.myspace.com/sovietrecords

Fourth from the top. This means I can get a tracklist and submit the album properly. Is the band okay for resubmission now?

Yes.

Okay, thank you.

ooo

i submitted the band 1833AD.. a black metal band from india.. the band has a physical release. yet it was rejected.. i wanna know why!

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=99180
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=107097
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=100482
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=101594

Above are just 4 core bands taht i could think of off the top of my head that still retain their EM pages. So is the website run by elitist douchebags (i used to be one) who don't understand that music has a tendency to progress and evolve over time, or is it that it's run by elitist douchebags who are only willing to stick to their convictions as long as there's no threat of upsetting a signed band?

If you're going to be biased against core bands in general at least have some balls and don't just reject and clear out the unsigned bands.

I listened to the samples. It's not metal, sorry.



Please use this thread:
http://www.metal-archives.com/board/vie ... hp?t=14116



If it was rejected then you should have received a message with the reason why. If you didn't receive a message then you'll need to enable email notification in your profile. The most common reasons a band was rejected: 1) no proof of existence, 2) no proof of physical release, 3) no samples of the music, 4) the band is not metal.

People that insult us do not last long.

If you would bother to read the rules before your brainless accusations, you would discover, that metalcore bands that are enough metal are allowed.

And metalcore or any other bands are certainly not deleted/rejected based on how famous they are. Why should they be??

Plenty of the bands that were cut had multiple releases.

And shouldn't this deathcore purge that was mentioned earlier in this thread include all deathcore bands?

Of course not. Once again, read the rules, they speak quite clear on metalcore and have not changed.

Deathcore is metalcore.

I'm not trying to be inflammatory, but I do feel strongly about this. Also, please tell me how Born of Osiris and Salt the Wound are 'metal' enough by your standards versus half the other bands that were cut that had WAY more metal content in them? BOO sounds like some breakcore to me, and STW is some straight up deathcore.

Edit: I agree bands shouldn't be cut or kept based on how famous they are, but it sure seems like that's what's going on here. In the rules, it says

Metalcore, unless it's clearly more metal than core (e.g Shadows Fall, The Red Chord, Mastodon are OK: Avenged Sevenfold, Atreyu, Bullet For My Valentine are NOT). If you are uncertain, best avoid metalcore bands altogether.

I can't speak for all the bands listed, but I'm a friend of Diemertus's. They're one of the bands that were cut during this purge. I'd call them a melodeath band with breakdowns, not a metalcore band with some metal parts. And definitely more metal content than any of the bands I listed in my first post.

IDK, seems pretty biased towards signed bands to me.