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Madera
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:24 pm 
 

Orca: http://www.myspace.com/orcawails (Atmospheric Sludge Metal)
Physical proof: http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuse ... =494528055


Medianoche: http://www.myspace.com/esmedianoche (Gothic Metal)
Physical proof: http://www.santogrialproducciones.es/ti ... a=MED001CD


Shining Ones: http://www.myspace.com/shiningonesmusic (Sludge/Drone Metal)
Physical proof: http://deadaccentsmusic.blogspot.com


Thorazine Gaze: http://www.myspace.com/thorazinegaze (Black Metal/Experimental)
Physical proof: http://lovedecay.bigcartel.com

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:34 am 
 

They were rejected, because they were not metal enough. Physical proof will not help in these cases.

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gorilla1969
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:38 pm 
 

Rejection Satyrnine (Germany) due to lack of information on the band's discography.
You guys have so far not made anything

http://www.myspace.com/satyrninemetal

http://satyrnine.de/

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:46 pm 
 

gorilla1969 wrote:
Rejection Satyrnine (Germany) due to lack of information on the band's discography.
You guys have so far not made anything

http://www.myspace.com/satyrninemetal

http://satyrnine.de/

Well...
You do not have any physical releases, so why are you complaining?

Read our rules.

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hypnotica
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:18 pm 
 

my band (Hypnotica) www.myspace.com.*hypnoticabr was rejected!

man,we have an EP on some loca stores,and we're recording a full length!

and,thanks to you,we noticed that the links arent available...
so we make a new one:
http://www.hypnotica.muncom.com/

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~Guest 193166
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 1:03 am 
 

You need to prove that your band has physical albums for sale and not albums that are exclusively/only available for download. I read the interview and here's what it said about the EP.

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- The first release, the EP The Darkness Inside, was officially launched in the form of "websingle. Why was it chosen this format?
This format was chosen because the distribution is fairly agile, the songs run through many countries. Is easily accessible, you just have a PC connected to the Internet and you have access to all the material from anywhere in the world, and this is our inteded, just want to be heard!


You can prove this by following the instructions that can be found at: http://www.metal-archives.com/guidelines.php#proof

Many (if not all) of the links that can be found in the second link, only link to either a login/password field, or the bands Myspace page where the albums are only mentioned as being available for download. They need to be physical.

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Christopher_Schmid
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:37 am 
 

Hi
I tried to submit Amaranthe. And the system didn't said "This band rejected once time" then i decide to add it. then i saw this on page 176:
oneyoudontknow wrote:
Thomasfr wrote:
Hello,
i submitted the band "Amaranthe", it was rejected by "lack of information or there's no apparent discography". they released a demo in 2009, it's called "leave everything behind", see their myspace: myspace.com/amaranthemetal
so why you rejected? demo isn't a release?

thank you for your attention


But i have not recieve any E-mail that tell me this band rejected or have problems.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:46 am 
 

You have to check a certain box in your profile to receive rejection e-mails.

The band does not seem to have physical releases, only download "single".

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Christopher_Schmid
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:57 am 
 

Witcher wrote:
You have to check a certain box in your profile to receive rejection e-mails.

The band does not seem to have physical releases, only download "single".

Thanks for reply
Yeah i know that, My profile & E-mail setting have no problems.
See:
Image

There was 2 bands that i tried to submit`em. and then i recieve the rejected and explaination E-mail from MS like always. But as i say, this time i have not recieve any E-mail.
And thanks for inform i knew the band must have at least one physical release but i didn't knew the Official Available MP3 cant be rejected too.
Thanks anyway

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Prezes
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 7:15 am 
 

You've rejected thrash metal band from Poland - Mortus
They have two demos, and here is the proof:

http://www.metalrulez.pl/_shit/mortus1.jpg
http://www.metalrulez.pl/_shit/mortus2.jpg

here is their website:

http://www.mortus.ovh.org/

and some reviews of their materials:

http://www.mortus.ovh.org/pliki/zdjecia/BornToDie.jpg
http://www.mortus.ovh.org/pliki/zdjecia ... Mortus.jpg
http://www.mortus.ovh.org/pliki/zdjecia ... Mortus.jpg
http://www.mortus.ovh.org/pliki/zdjecia ... tRecka.JPG

I hope this materials convince You...

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 7:20 am 
 

Resubmit.

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LeeroyKincaid
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:17 pm 
 

You've rejected my band, Hellböund based on not being metal. WTF?

http://www.myspace.com/hellboundnd

First demo was hard rock, I get that, but a few days ago we've launched a new EP and it's fucking metal!
Listen to Roadkill or Cobra's Kiss for example (or anything off of Weapon of Choice) and tell me that's not metal!

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:19 am 
 

O.K., resubmit.

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Herr_Inoddorell
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:14 am 
 

Hello,

Ariel Ranieri (Argentina) was rejected for the following reason:

"Either there is a lack of information, or this band has no apparent discography. Please see rule #7. If this band has indeed released anything and you can show us proof, you can resubmit it again. NOt relesed worldwide."

I know I forgot to submit the album Eclecticismo (my mistake sorry), and made some mistakes making the page, but I posted an image of the CD case. The reason basically is that the album isn't released worldwide? The album is avalaible for sale at Volumen 4 local store and also you can buy it online, from here:

http://www.volumen4.com.ar/descripcion.php?id_cd=5370

And also, if the proof of physical release wasn't enough proper here are 2 better pictures of the album case:

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt336/rockcriollo/ARcdch.jpg?t=1248789712
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt336/rockcriollo/ar2.jpg?t=1248789851

Regards! And thanks for your attention.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:31 am 
 

It was not released on a label with worlwide distribution. That you can buy it online is no relevant.

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Herr_Inoddorell
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:40 am 
 

Witcher wrote:
It was not released on a label with worlwide distribution. That you can buy it online is no relevant.


Ok, thanks for clarifying it.

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Ribos
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 8:21 am 
 

Witcher wrote:
It was not released on a label with worlwide distribution. That you can buy it online is no relevant.
Wait, isn't it relevant? You can buy a physical copy of it, and that's all that's required by rule #7. Unless it's supposed to be included only under the side-project rule, but then it's a rule #5 problem, isn't it?

I haven't heard the band in question, so I don't know about whether it's actually metal or not, but just going on what was mentioned here in the thread, it sounds like it should be okay for inclusion.
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 8:23 am 
 

Of course, it was not metal and submitted as a side project.

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Mharabserapel
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:21 pm 
 

Greetings.

I've tried to submit my black metal act here, as it was once deleted for "not having physical release". Here's our official release:

Image

Image

Image

Should I submit with these pictures?

In time...

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Fanfarigoule
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:33 pm 
 

Yes.

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Mharabserapel
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 8:48 pm 
 

Alright. Submitted with these pictures on the "additional notes" field.

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Herr_Inoddorell
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 3:35 am 
 

Ribos wrote:
Witcher wrote:
It was not released on a label with worlwide distribution. That you can buy it online is no relevant.
Wait, isn't it relevant? You can buy a physical copy of it, and that's all that's required by rule #7. Unless it's supposed to be included only under the side-project rule, but then it's a rule #5 problem, isn't it?


Witcher wrote:
Of course, it was not metal and submitted as a side project.


Don't want to insist on the subject, just I need to clarify something. If someone submits a band as a side project, the releases of this band must have worldwide distribution. But, for a common, main metal project, this isn't necessary?

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 3:46 am 
 

Yes, it is all explained in the written rules. Please, read them attentively and completely to avoid other misunderstandings.

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UralteStille
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 1:17 pm 
 

The true Xenophobia was rejected (again).

Apparently they are not 'enough metal' (but, incredibly, the joke band which use some of their songs is here :roll:).

Well, after some research, I've saw the thread from this forum where the band is judged, but only with their last demo (which is bullshit, I have to say).
The fact is that the last demo was released when Warhead (the founder of the band) was in prison. Since it was also the case with Burzum, I think I doesn't need to explain more.

Links for the download of their BM compilation release : http://wotanmituns.blogspot.com/2010/01 ... -anti.html

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crome
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 6:03 pm 
 

cant believe it. our band was rejected the 5th time or so now. the first reasons were "internet releases only" but hell i found many bands here with internet only releases that got into the metal archives, just like agent metal. besides, we released 2 demos besides the old albums and ep's that were internet only. the 2 demos were sent to several radio stations, people who bought them, labels etc. etc.
we have a website, a myspace and a full line up, playing upcoming shows in the next months. why the hell do you guys reject us all the time? i mean... "black metal" bands only existing of one member and with no real releases get into these archives and we dont? im tired of that

http://empowered-metal.de
http://myspace.com/lordcrome

if you really wanna know if we produced a demo... then hell BUY IT!!

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Fanfarigoule
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 6:30 pm 
 

Stop whining. You were rejected because there was no proof of physical release, which is a must. You'd know that if you read the rules. Don't care about other bands, that is not your problem.
Black metal bands are added when they have a physical release, like everyone.
Certain internet releases can be added when the band has other physical releases.
Take a photo of these demos to prove you have a physical release.
Quote:
if you really wanna know if we produced a demo... then hell BUY IT!!

Buy it? That's what you site says:
"yesssss, no merchandise here yet."

That's pretty convincing.

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Goatfangs
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 6:38 pm 
 

crome,

First, I'm not a mod.

Second, calm down. (It's helpful, having patience is key here since this site is extremely busy and the admins can only handle so much at a time).

Third, what you have to do is provide evidence that your demo is a physical release. Take a picture of the CD, plus the CD artwork and cover laid out on a table or something and post it here and include the link with your submission. As long as you are able to show this you guys should be fine. Sometimes I take the CD and the CD artwork and pop both in the scanner, scan the whole platter and send that image as evidence (since I'm lazy with a digital camera and shit, and a lot of times when I add a band I then take the album art I scanned in, resize it and submit it as the regular album art for the band's album) so that's another possible method.

Fourth, another way to prove that you have a physical release out is to point to a website where you can buy the actual physical demo. Do any distros carry your CD? Is it possible for someone to pay money and have the CD shipped to them? Show this as well (but also show the CD itself and artwork, that alone is helpful) as it will help.

Fifth, I like what I'm hearing! Nice power metal! Definitely no doubt that you guys are metal enough (which is the other major requirement to be added on MA)
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drengskap
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 5:39 am 
 

My submission of Yrsel, a new collaboration between Julien of The Austrasian Goat and C-J Larsgarden of Ondo, was rejected yesterday on the wearily familiar grounds that they are 'not metal - do not belong'.

Now, for some reason the Yrsel band page on Aurora Borealis doesn't seem to have its song samples working yet, and none of the other links I provided have any of Yrsel's music available, so I'm just wondering if whoever rejected Yrsel can explain the process by which they came to the conclusion that Yrsel are 'not metal'. I have a copy of the Yrsel album and I can assure you it is metal.

http://www.aurora-b.com/band_pages/YRSEL.php

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 5:42 am 
 

The music that plays on the site is obviously Yrsel and not metal at all.

What you say about the album does not mean much, unless you have samples from it proving, that it is predominantly metal, samples, that can be judged.

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Fanfarigoule
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 5:43 am 
 

It's not released yet anyway.

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drengskap
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 5:57 am 
 

I'm on the AB site at the moment, looking at Yrsel's page, and I can't hear any music - I assumed there would be samples available when I submitted the entry, but actually I can't find any Yrsel music playing there.

And the album is available - from the AB news page:

Friday 26/02/10

The new AB release from YRSEL is available now in the webshop, post paid. This is an amazing album, a dazzling collaboration.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 6:01 am 
 

In other words, you do not have any other samples.

http://www.aurora-b.com/band_pages/YRSEL.php
There is a player at the bottom of the pages, which plays track 1- The Last Visions of Aglaea, which is obviously from the album and obviously not metal.

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drengskap
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 6:18 am 
 

OK, well, there's obviously something wrong with the computer I'm working from, because I can't hear the song playing. But if you can hear 'The Last Visions of Aglaea', I don't understand why you think this isn't metal. The song opens with several minutes of massively downtuned, rumbling guitar chords, hissing black metal vocals, and high tremelo leads - if this was Sunn O))), which it easily could be, you'd never dare say it wasn't metal. This is every bit as much metal as SunnO))), Procer Veneficus, or TenHornedBeast, all of whom are included in the Encyclopaedia Metallum.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 6:22 am 
 

SunnO is extremely borderline itself and i wpuld question anything sounding like thjis being metal. Droning guitar noises plus industrial effects do not make music metal. Riffs and certain type of songwriting does. This here fits in the real of experimental industrial/ambient music much more than metal.

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Goatfangs
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 6:30 am 
 

Witcher wrote:
SunnO is extremely borderline itself and i wpuld question anything sounding like thjis being metal. Droning guitar noises plus industrial effects do not make music metal. Riffs and certain type of songwriting does. This here fits in the real of experimental industrial/ambient music much more than metal.


I hear minimalist drone metal with sparse minimalistic riffs, but I'm too tired to go into much detail. Sounds sick and heavy though :) (I'm a drone freak)

Some guitar-like sounds I detect as being noise-based. And this includes the dude from The Austrasian Goat!

Well, drengskap, good luck but don't press the moderators on the issue. If they say it's not metal, at least agree to disagree.

It might also help if you upload the entire album to provide samples if you want to try to prove if it is metal. There is nothing much else you can do after that.

I'm not a mod, just trying to offer advice.
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drengskap
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 6:42 am 
 

Goatfangs wrote:
Witcher wrote:
SunnO is extremely borderline itself and i wpuld question anything sounding like thjis being metal. Droning guitar noises plus industrial effects do not make music metal. Riffs and certain type of songwriting does. This here fits in the real of experimental industrial/ambient music much more than metal.


I hear minimalist drone metal with sparse minimalistic riffs, but I'm too tired to go into much detail. Sounds sick and heavy though :) (I'm a drone freak)

Some guitar-like sounds I detect as being noise-based. And this includes the dude from The Austrasian Goat!

Well, drengskap, good luck but don't press the moderators on the issue. If they say it's not metal, at least agree to disagree.

It might also help if you upload the entire album to provide samples if you want to try to prove if it is metal. There is nothing much else you can do after that.

I'm not a mod, just trying to offer advice.


It's not my place to upload the entire album - it's copyright material and I don't own the copyright. I'll leave the uploading of entire albums to the illeagal music bloggers. I have working relationships with label owners to maintain.

I know from past experience that once the EM has set its face against something, it doesn't change its mind, so I'm not going to press the issue, but like Goatfangs, I'm a drone freak, and Yrsel is plenty sick and heavy enough for me, so I just think it's a shame that they won't be represented on the EM. But a lot of what I consider the most interesting bands working today aren't. I reviewed 150 albums last year, and my hands-down favourite was The Invisible Mountain by Horseback - another band I'd consider to be metal who aren't represented on the EM. You don't know what you're missing!

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 6:53 am 
 

Look, this is an archive of metal bands, bands that are musically metal. Quality does not matter. It is not an archive of critically acclaimed bands or bands that you like.
It is not the rock archives, not ambient archives or drone archives. And most importantly, not quality metal archives or archives of music, that black metal fans listen to besides their favourite metal genre.

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vondskapens_makt
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 10:00 am 
 

On the subject of Acrimonious Vessel once more.

I officially have a physical release out ready for global distribution/sale on Lunatic Pandora Records, my own record label/distro. The release itself, though containing some few select acoustic/ambient tracks of mine, is predominately metal.

Proof of existence: www.myspace.com/lunaticpandorarecords (Check the blog entitled Catalogue)

Sampler to showcase its "metalness": http://www.mediafire.com/?txd3xmtmen3 (Keep in mind these are not all the metal tracks from the album, and yes the rest are actual black/doom metal, not just drone)

Can I resubmit?

Edit: If that is still not enough there is another release entitled "Omega Weapon" (also available for purchase through the distro) which is sludge/doom. Here is the album description taken from the record label blog:

Following in the vein of releases such as Corrupted's Paso Inferior & Llenandose de Gusanos, Godgrind's Demo #1, Wormphlegm's In An Excrutiating Way... and Deathspell Omega's Mass Grave Aesthetics comes this album consisting of one long, devastatingly crushing 40-minute excursion into drug-fueled blackened sludge/doom insanity. Skull shattering sludge/doom riffs infused with droning, feedback-laden noise and the occasional burst of flesh-grinding tremolo picked madness compose the soundscape for this monolith of a track; the purpose of this song? Why, a tribute to the most badass force to be reckoned with in the realm of popular RPG series Final Fantasy (more specifically Final Fantasy VIII) - or any video game for that matter - Omega Weapon.

So, what is the consensus?
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 12:09 pm 
 

The album for download has only one actual metal track - The Prayer. If the most songs were like this, it would be metal enough.
But the rest is again more ambient than anything.

As for the other album, a review will not help you, you would have to provide samples

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vondskapens_makt
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 2:10 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
The album for download has only one actual metal track - The Prayer. If the most songs were like this, it would be metal enough.
But the rest is again more ambient than anything.

As for the other album, a review will not help you, you would have to provide samples


As I stated, the other tracks on the album follow in the same vein. Check your PM's for 2 more songs in the 'traditional' metal sense.
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