Tried submitting a band Roskopp and it was 'pre-emptively rejected'..

Its a Goregrind band from Melbourne, Australia. its 'metal' enough and has a self titled 7" EP out which you can get at http://crucificados.de/ and some other sites i think.

It also has 2 or 3 upcoming releases.. allthough the self titled 7" should be enough..

So yeah i dontknow why Roskopp shouldn't be submitted.

Thanks

Because it is grindcore, not metal enough. That is why it is blacklisted.
http://www.metal-archives.com/guidelines.php

Hmm, shouldn't it be able to go on? listen to some http://www.myspace.com/Roskopp, its not like its pure old school grindcore... its goregrind and by the sound of the music is SHOULD be able to go on the metal archives.

That's something which is decided by mods. And here, the answer is negative.

Besides that, the tags like goregrind mean nothing to us, it shows nothing about the band's metalness.

Only the clear death/grind mixes are acceptable, the music must be close to death metal.

Yours is mostly punkish stuff, not death metal.

Yeah.I rarely subbmit Grindcore bands,but for example Yuppie Club is great example of Grindcore formation and it were accepted when I subbmited this band.YUPPIE CLUB also have a few punkish/HC parts(They even did MINOR THREAT cover) But overal band sounds Heavy and with big Death Metal influence.

I of corpse checked the rules but that's exactly the problem. Wether the rules are accepted by everyone or noone. Or how do you explain bands like The Plads (Rock with several Hard Rock influences) are listed here and tempting people to buy that crap record for 50 E expecting a great underground Metal vinyl judging by the cultic cover while in the end they get an heavier version of U2? And all the Punk Metal stuff...accept Punk Metal or HC/Thrash or don't accept it. You can't see things from 2 sides while it's both the same. Of corpse I'm not allowed to make new rules etc and either doesn' want that but maybe it's time to newly think about it. "There's good and there's evil, there's no in between"...=>Mark Shelton...in other words there's Punk and there's Metal, there's no in between...crystal logic is what you'll find... ;o)

If The Plads are not metal, prove it. I have accepted them on reviews, which claimed otherwise - that they are metal. Did you notice, that there is always a possibility of a mistake?
The rules are for everyone and to be obeyed. You may have noticed the "this is our decision, plesse, do not question it"."

The rules on metalcore and crossover will not change. They are written so that they are clear to everybody. Such genres will always be judged by the content of metal in the mix, if it is predominant or not, case by case.

Apparently you see metal influences in bands where there are none or a little. There is not much to do about it. A band will not be accepted just because they are metal enough in your subjective view.

Also, there is no valid punk metal genre, which would be automatically accepted. There is crossover thrash, a mixture of thrash metal and hardcore punk and it is up to us to decide, whether the metal part of it is dominant enough for the acceptance. You see thrash where there is none or a minimum of metal influences. Throwing around with terms will not help you, if the band's sound is not metal enough.


Do I have to quote here the rules completely?
http://www.metal-archives.com/faq.php
I found a mistake/some false info on a band page. What should I do?

Use the "Report a mistake on this page" link on the appropriate band page, then describe the error AND what changes need to be made. If at all possible PLEASE provide a source (website, link to an image scan or mp3, etc), especially if you claim the genre is wrong. And make sure the priority is accurate, or the mods will hate you, and possibly ignore your report.

And whatever you do, please do NOT email us or post it on the forums, unless you are not sure about what the correction entails and prefer to discuss it with others first. Otherwise we'll just refer you to the report page.
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Did you provide a proof for your claim about The Plads?

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http://www.metal-archives.com/guidelines.php

Hopefully this is clear enough! If you have any questions, you can ask the moderators on the message board, but some of us are sick of repeating ourself, so don't take it personally if we don't answer your "Why do you say nu-metal isn't metal?!" or whatever. Keep in mind that the rules of what is accepted or not were ultimately decided by HellBlazer (the mastermind and founder of the Encyclopaedia) and "put on paper" (or rather, screen?) by Morrigan (the co-webmaster). The moderators have given counsel and suggestions but they merely enforce the rules - some of them don't agree with them 100%, but they will do their job! However, they are only humans, and they all have slightly different opinions.

Nobody asks you to completely agree with us. A lot of these decisions could be debated for hours (time that few of us have). Definitions aren't always set in stone, and this is just a website to allow people to lookup information - no need throw a fit because a band you wanted there didn't make it... Please understand that we try our best to not have double-standards, but what may seem like an inconsistency to you would make perfect sense to another and so on. We cannot please everyone.


We do NOT accept the following (this is our decision, please don't argue this):



* Metalcore, unless it's clearly more metal than core (e.g Shadows Fall, The Red Chord, Mastodon are OK: Avenged Sevenfold, Atreyu, Bullet For My Valentine are NOT). If you are uncertain, best avoid metalcore bands altogether.
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* Hardcore (ex: Earth Crisis, Converge)

Be careful if you submit a band with an ambiguous genre!
Over the past months we've sometimes seen some bands listed as a genre that would seem fitting, but upon hearing the actual band we've had some pretty bad surprises... So consider the following genres to be "ambiguous", in the sense that if we see a band with one of these terms in their genre field, we WILL have to hear the band, or at least read more than one detailed review, before accepting it.


* Grindcore - Death/grind = OK. Noisegrind, crustcore, jazz/grind, heavy punk/hardcore, etc. = Not OK.
* Metalcore - Be VERY wary. Most of these get rejected, simply because they're hardcore with some metal influences. That doesn't make a band metal!

* Crossover - can have the same problem as metalcore, although they generally aren't rejected as often


Note that these are not automatic rejections - they just make the moderators wary Just don't be TOO surprised if your favorite grind/metalcore industrial crossover dark metal band gets rejected. Especially if we cannot find information or samples. There was a time when we just took your word for it, and the Encyclopaedia was thus cluttered with bands that simply didn't belong there.

In other words, those bands were rejected, because they sound hardcore punk to me. Not metal enough. If you consider them to be metal enough, then it is only your personal impression. You have no right to demand to get accepted all what YOU PERSONALLY label as metal enough.


http://www.goodbadmusic.com/2007/07/
PERMANENT DAMAGE came from Victoria, Australia and this was their debut. An LP followed a year later or so, entitled “End of Innocence”, but this here is it. Angry metalfree HC with some kind of an upspeed oi-feel to it, but it works! Recorded in 1984, this was very clean and polished for the time and it still kicks, I think. And the poster insert live shot is amazing, I think.
This goes out to KC. Enjoy.

Distorsión is eligible for acceptance, their release is a 4-way split. But isn't it plain hard rock/AOR?

Concerning punk/metal hybrids: virtually all metal bands since the NWOBHM have some punk influence, and same goes for HC/crust bands since the early 80s. Somewhere the line must be drawn, right?

I would like to know why it looks like the band I added has been rejected...? apparently theres no reason except maybe for lack of content -.-

No physical releases.

So I guess if I add it again with the demo it will be ok?..

No, you must prove that it exist in physical form. Read rule 7.

That's your demo? Two 20-second samples which are not even metal?
http://www.myspace.com/enthronementovbaalial

this is only samples of the guitar... the songs are being wrote and recorded

So the situation is clear, no physical demo.

You should read the rules BEFORE you submit anything.

so when the demo is done then it will be accepted?

It depends.First recorded demo means nothing.You have to release recorded material as CD,CDr or Tape. Mp3 on MySpace is't Demo.

It has no sense asking about that. We are not that far yet.

When the music will be metal and the release will be clearly physical, then yes.

Now all you need to know is in the written rules. You should actually read them and do not expect, that they will be presented here to you piece by piece.

ok ok i get it.... then i give up because we may do several demos before recording a cd if we even do it with this project. thank you anyway

btw Witcher... you are right this is not really metal... this is more like brutal black metal -.-

"Brutal black metal"? Well wouldn't that still be metal?
Black metal is metal
So what's up with "brutal black metal"?

he said "when the music will be metal"... if its not metal... who am I?

Hey Witcher, just wanted to know if the band From the Ashes (Swe) is way to grindy for the archives... They have a split with Nashgul (Spa) and their sound is pretty similar, pure grind. And Nashgul are on the archives, so... if you could elucidate me.

BTW Nashgul have this album that is a compilation, kind of best of but with like 5 bands or so. Should I add it to the archives? If so, in the type of release what should I choose?

Thanks

Yes, From the Ashes are crust/grind, Nashgul have hearable thrash and death influences int heir sound.
http://www.metal-archives.com/guidelines.php
Rules on grindcore, be very careful with such bands.


As for the release, if it has only 5 bands, then yes, add it as a split.

Read the rules on how to do it.

Hmm... Noise?

I've been rejected because i've submitted Siren On Jonna Enckell. An admins told me on an email that they are not METAL ENOUGH. The band is playing sort of Atmospheric / Ambiental / Opera / Symphonic / Classical Music, and that's probably enough to be added on encyclopedia metallum. Why ?

The pure example of the very same music direction can be found in a band called Elend, which is accepted in the Encyclopedia Metallum. Not just that, it's music direction which SLOWLY but for sure EVOLVED in sort of post rock with influences of soft metal melodies, influenced by these directions mentioned above.
That's the main reason of my submission.
Sincerely,

XT3XCha0s

Why? Because it is Encyclopaedia METALLUM!!! And Atmospheric / Ambiental / Opera / Symphonic / Classical Music obviously is not metal. Elend is an exception, the admins decided so, mainly because they deemed Elend to have many common traits with metal bands/music. Also, read the rules before submitting whatever you want to submit.

You know nothing about the music....

Indeed, those styles have absolutely nothing in common with metal. It has not evolved from metal, that is something that a member of Serbian Music Academy should know. That is the same like when you would say, that J.S. Bach was influenced by Metallica and Kraftwerk by Deicide.

And read the rules on Elend, users should submit only reasonably metal bands.

And you know nothing about metal and its genres.

http://www.metal-archives.com/guidelines.php
The band will not be accepted, because the music is not metal at all.

i didnt say that .. rock evolved to metal thats what i meant and thats what i said !

The project is not musically metal at all, that is the only thing that matters.

Yes sir, i know that.
But it has influenced by the very specific genres, i thought you'll make an exception or just recognize whats worth of listening. Like you did with ELEND.

XT3XCha0s, I gave you an answer in the chat. I hope you'll please drop the issue now. Thanks.

You admited that you havent listened to it ...

Ok, now I'm telling you. No more discussion of this band.

ok just dont hurt me! i am out of itxD

I'm new to the submitting band things so I'm pretty sure there is a better way to go about this, but why wasn't the band "Conniption" accepted. It said they didn't have proof of a demo, but I'm not sure how to prove it other than the fact that I have it. Their myspace says that they had their CD release show, and I should know considering I was there. Also, their picture is their album art (though that is far from proof). Could somebody explain to me how I prove that their demo is physically out? I apologize if this is an obnoxious newb question that has been heard hundreds of times before.

myspace
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu ... d=78848225

band site
http://www.conniption.us/

Take a picture of the CD, link to a distro selling the demo, or a well known magazine/webzine with reviews. Those are all supporting evidence. The best ones are the first two, though.