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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 12:50 pm 
 

You did not provide the needed proof and samples. Read rule 7 again.

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elfstone321
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 1:02 pm 
 

ok this band
http://www.myspace.com/degradatonia

they say in their blog: So, at last, we are able to present our first studio Demo album which we recorded in Summer 2008 (check link)
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuse ... =439378115

and here in their biography say: ...expecting to expand outside of the doom metal genre with their debut album. (check link)
http://www.last.fm/music/Degradatonia

and here appears the songs in the "albums" section:
http://www.last.fm/music/Degradatonia/DEMO+2008

Could this be enough proof of CD??

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 1:12 pm 
 

No, they say that it is free for download.

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Unholy_Ghoul
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 1:46 pm 
 

The band "Naam" was rejected today because of not having a discography - even though I personally added 2 releases.

There's an EP called "Kingdom", which was released in April 2009 and a full-length album called "Naam", released in October 2009.

To verify visit the following sites:

Label: www.teepeerecords.com

Band Homepage: http://kingdomofnaam.com/

Band Myspace: http://www.myspace.com/naamdestroysfaces

Naam @ discogs: http://www.discogs.com/artist/Naam+%282%29


Do I have to add the band again or can you recall the data?


Regards,
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edit: If you want proof of a physical release, visit this site: www.grooves-inc.com and BUY the album. ;-)

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elfstone321
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 3:22 pm 
 

this band
http://www.myspace.com/mtmband
is enough Metal?? I cannot regconize??

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stilgar90
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 6:13 pm 
 

Goatfangs wrote:
stilgar90 wrote:
I noticed that the non-metal side projects of Stijn Van Cauter have been deleted, is it because they don't have worldwide distribution, right? But you can purchase the CDs of these projects from the NULLL Records site, so basically the label can send the albums everywhere, does this count as a worldwide distribution or not?


However, why isn't Cold Aeon here? I think they should be, although they were never added here to begin with. They appear on Infra Sub Ultra. http://metal-archives.com/release.php?id=220833

It's a physical release also for free download. I think it started off as free download, but any NULLL release can be purchased in CDr form from Stijn. And yes, Cold Aeon is one of the metal projects of Stijn (at least to my ears) - very droney funeral doom, in some ways like Beyond Black Void only a bit more spaced out and keyboard laden.



Yes, what about Cold Aeon? They are not on the archives yet. http://www.archive.org/details/Infra_Sub_Ultra
here you can download the track "Shapes" from the split Infra Sub Ultra: http://metal-archives.com/release.php?id=220833
As Goatfangs said, it should be metal enough, since is similar to a more psychedelic version of Beyond Black Void.

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martin_taklamakan
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 7:43 pm 
 

ok ok the band is Axkan kema visit this link http://www.myspace.com/axkankema to verify its existence I just hope reply because I can not upload saludos

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Byrain
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 8:31 pm 
 

Goatfangs wrote:
Wait... WHAAAAAAAAT?!

lol, just kidding. No, the non-metal Stijn projects don't have worldwide distribution. However, why isn't Cold Aeon here? I think they should be, although they were never added here to begin with. They appear on Infra Sub Ultra. http://metal-archives.com/release.php?id=220833

It's a physical release also for free download. I think it started off as free download, but any NULLL release can be purchased in CDr form from Stijn. And yes, Cold Aeon is one of the metal projects of Stijn (at least to my ears) - very droney funeral doom, in some ways like Beyond Black Void only a bit more spaced out and keyboard laden.

Lastly, sad to see the non-metal projects of Stijn get deleted off this site but there really was no reason to keep them here and no rule that would enable that to be so. None of the metal ones were removed by mistake or non-metal ones left here by mistake as well.

And Morrigan, lol... I personally prefer signatures that are funny instead of ones that prove the existence of retards, but what you have there is probably the "best of both worlds".


They don't? Since when? Take a look at this topic from the nulll forum - http://nulll.proboards.com/index.cgi?bo ... thread=420

In the second post you can see shipping prices to the 'EU', 'Belgium', and 'World'.

Edit: To be clear, nulll is where I got my copies of his works and I paid the 'world' shipping rate.

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stilgar90
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:05 pm 
 

Byrain wrote:
Goatfangs wrote:
Wait... WHAAAAAAAAT?!

lol, just kidding. No, the non-metal Stijn projects don't have worldwide distribution. However, why isn't Cold Aeon here? I think they should be, although they were never added here to begin with. They appear on Infra Sub Ultra. http://metal-archives.com/release.php?id=220833

It's a physical release also for free download. I think it started off as free download, but any NULLL release can be purchased in CDr form from Stijn. And yes, Cold Aeon is one of the metal projects of Stijn (at least to my ears) - very droney funeral doom, in some ways like Beyond Black Void only a bit more spaced out and keyboard laden.

Lastly, sad to see the non-metal projects of Stijn get deleted off this site but there really was no reason to keep them here and no rule that would enable that to be so. None of the metal ones were removed by mistake or non-metal ones left here by mistake as well.

And Morrigan, lol... I personally prefer signatures that are funny instead of ones that prove the existence of retards, but what you have there is probably the "best of both worlds".


They don't? Since when? Take a look at this topic from the nulll forum - http://nulll.proboards.com/index.cgi?bo ... thread=420

In the second post you can see shipping prices to the 'EU', 'Belgium', and 'World'.

Edit: To be clear, nulll is where I got my copies of his works and I paid the 'world' shipping rate.


It was said before on this thread that worldwide ordering is not the same as worldwide distribution, even if I can't honestly tell the exact difference between the two, I'm not expert on this subject.

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Byrain
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:29 pm 
 

stilgar90 wrote:
It was said before on this thread that worldwide ordering is not the same as worldwide distribution, even if I can't honestly tell the exact difference between the two, I'm not expert on this subject.


Hmm, I must of missed that. Could someone quote that, or give me the idea behind it?

I don't really see how what Stijn does that is different from band A that puts their e-mail address on their site or myspace for fans to buy their demo/album. Or is that not allowed either? All I had to do to order his albums was e-mail him, an e-mail address that is easily available online.

Edit: Revised

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stilgar90
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:35 pm 
 

Byrain wrote:
stilgar90 wrote:
It was said before on this thread that worldwide ordering is not the same as worldwide distribution, even if I can't honestly tell the exact difference between the two, I'm not expert on this subject.


Hmm, I must of missed that. Could someone quote that, or give me the idea behind it?

I don't really see how what Stijn does that is different from band A that puts their e-mail address on their site or myspace for fans to buy their demo/album. Or is that not allowed either? All I had to do to order his albums was e-mail him, an e-mail address that is easily available online.

Edit: Revised


I think that here: http://www.metal-archives.com/board/vie ... f5b9e6790e everything is well explained.

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Byrain
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:28 pm 
 

stilgar90 wrote:
I think that here: http://www.metal-archives.com/board/vie ... f5b9e6790e everything is well explained.


Thanks, though I think I am with you on this as to not understanding this.

@ the staff, is this one of the posts explaining this (from that page):

Witcher wrote:
That is the problem, our written rules are quite specific on that.
There is no reason to assume, that you understood or knew them in detail back then.

By newer bands with myspace, you also have to prove convincingly, that the demo was released in physical form, by linking for example to shops/distros that carry it, to trustful reviews who mention that the release is physical or by scan of the whole CD or tape with indentifiable distinct cover.
You can say that you have done enough foirst when you have done alll that.


The word used is 'or' and the emphasis seems to be on the albums being physical, which for at least most of his projects I would be happy to provide pics showing just how physical they truly are (With distinct covers and less distinct artwork on the disc itself). Or I am still not understanding the issue?

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Drowned
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 12:30 am 
 

wednesdead666 wrote:
this band
http://www.myspace.com/mtmband
is enough Metal?? I cannot regconize??


No.

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EntilZha
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 12:40 am 
 

Worldwide shipping - The label first receives money from the buyer, then sends out the merchandise.

Worldwide distribution - The label actively sends out the merchandise to retailers worldwide, then receives money from the retailer for each copy sold (by the retailer to the customer).

That's how I understand it.
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:19 am 
 

Byrain wrote:
stilgar90 wrote:
I think that here: http://www.metal-archives.com/board/vie ... f5b9e6790e everything is well explained.


Thanks, though I think I am with you on this as to not understanding this.

@ the staff, is this one of the posts explaining this (from that page):

Witcher wrote:
That is the problem, our written rules are quite specific on that.
There is no reason to assume, that you understood or knew them in detail back then.

By newer bands with myspace, you also have to prove convincingly, that the demo was released in physical form, by linking for example to shops/distros that carry it, to trustful reviews who mention that the release is physical or by scan of the whole CD or tape with indentifiable distinct cover.
You can say that you have done enough foirst when you have done alll that.


The word used is 'or' and the emphasis seems to be on the albums being physical, which for at least most of his projects I would be happy to provide pics showing just how physical they truly are (With distinct covers and less distinct artwork on the disc itself). Or I am still not understanding the issue?


Read what Entizha said. Also, read what the rule 7 says on non-metal side projects:

We accept the following non-metal bands in certain cases (these exceptions can be ambiguous and debatable - scroll down for details):

* Side-projects of metal band members (ex: Pain, Wongraven, Die Verbannten Kinder Eva's)
Note that side-projects will only be eligible if they have at least one release on a label with worldwide distribution (to avoid a flood of bedroom/MySpace bands).

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Unorthodox
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:46 am 
 

There's an inconsistency here that I hope can be resolved...

I tried to do a search for the band Vale of Pnath but absolutely nothing came out, so I did a search to find that the band was rejected for being to "core" (this happen in October of 09, so it was quite a while ago). I find this to be a serious inconsistency among the archives if this band is not to be on here. While I understand there has to be a line as to what metal is and isn't, that line cannot change if a website wishes to remain credible. Considering that this band isn't metal, then it seems that these ones can't be as well. Yet, all four of those bands have got a spot on here for having metal influences, and I'm sure that by hearing it you can see a resemblance between all the bands sound.

While it may seem like I might be a making some fuss over something somewhat infinitesimal in the large scheme of things, this hasn't been the first time I've ever seen this. I hope that someone can reevaluate this band and get back. Thanks.
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:21 am 
 

There is no line, there are only the written rules and according to them, all metalcore bands are judged individually.

This band, however, seens to be metal enough.

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Byrain
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:24 am 
 

Witcher wrote:
Read what Entizha said. Also, read what the rule 7 says on non-metal side projects:

We accept the following non-metal bands in certain cases (these exceptions can be ambiguous and debatable - scroll down for details):

* Side-projects of metal band members (ex: Pain, Wongraven, Die Verbannten Kinder Eva's)
Note that side-projects will only be eligible if they have at least one release on a label with worldwide distribution (to avoid a flood of bedroom/MySpace bands).


Rule 7 concerns physical releases, which all of his projects should pass. Though, assuming you meant rule 5, which concerns side projects, I seem to have overlooked this section:

Quote:
Note that side-projects will only be eligible if they have at least one release on a label with worldwide distribution (to avoid a flood of bedroom/MySpace bands).


Query solved, thanks.

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raging_winter
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:18 am 
 

im pretty sure someone has tried adding bathtub shitter before since its been around for so long i was just wondering why it has not been accepted since its grind/noisecore just like unholy grave from japan
http://www.bathtubshitter.com/

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:19 am 
 

Noisecore is not allowed, see rule 7.

We do NOT accept the following (this is our decision, please don't argue this):


* Grindcore (and all its variants; noise, crust, etc) with little to zero metal influence (ex: Anal Cunt, Libido Airbag)

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raging_winter
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:23 am 
 

Witcher wrote:
Noisecore is not allowed, see rule 7.

We do NOT accept the following (this is our decision, please don't argue this):


* Grindcore (and all its variants; noise, crust, etc) with little to zero metal influence (ex: Anal Cunt, Libido Airbag)


that answers my question thanks

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fetalfeast
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:25 pm 
 

raging_winter wrote:
im pretty sure someone has tried adding bathtub shitter before since its been around for so long i was just wondering why it has not been accepted since its grind/noisecore just like unholy grave from japan
http://www.bathtubshitter.com/

In addition to the fact that noisecore is not Archives material, Unholy Grave is NOT noisecore in any way.

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Numerator_41
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:25 pm 
 

Few weeks back I added a band Arcanum Inferi, which got rejected. Unfortunately I couldn't exactly ask why due to temporary suspension for troll feeding. So, at last, if it is still in memory, why was this rejected?
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harbringer
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 7:23 pm 
 

Why was Vale of Pnath accepted? I submitted them a year or two ago and they were accepted, a while later they were deleted. If it was on the basis of not being metal enough (which is the reason I suspect) - they have the exact same discography as when I submitted them - one ep - so their style hasn't changed.

Why were they deleted the first time and accepted a second time?
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ksevile
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 7:24 pm 
 

That is for this thread:

http://www.metal-archives.com/board/vie ... hp?t=14116
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harbringer
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 7:27 pm 
 

Haha ok I just read a few posts up, no worries.
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amakann
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 10:55 pm 
 

Hello i tried to submit Japanese Black/ Funeral Doom Metal band "Saten", but it looks like it was rejected. They have already released a demo "Index of Funeral" and is available in many distribution sites.
Their sound is very Nortt-like so i believe they deserve a spot in here.

http://www.myspace.com/saten666

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Drowned
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:55 pm 
 

The samples on the MySpace page are clearly not metal. If the demo sounds like that then the band has no place here and will remain on the rejected list.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 3:13 am 
 

harbringer wrote:
Why was Vale of Pnath accepted? I submitted them a year or two ago and they were accepted, a while later they were deleted. If it was on the basis of not being metal enough (which is the reason I suspect) - they have the exact same discography as when I submitted them - one ep - so their style hasn't changed.

Why were they deleted the first time and accepted a second time?

Different moderators have different opinions on bands. I stand behind the user who claimed it to be metal enough. IMO it should not have been deleted.

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Freezerator
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 4:56 am 
 

I wanted to submit the band Hanzel und Gretyl yesterday and my submission was rejected due to the fact that the band is not thought to be metal. Well, yeah, the first two albums are not metal (1995, 1997). They're more Elctro-Industrial and Industrial Rock, but the following three (2003, 2004, 2008) are definetely metal. You may compare them to Ministry or Fear Factory.They've got the riffs and the brutality. Well, there aren't any solos, but still. Fear Factory doesn't have them either. (solos). I wish that you could reply to this message and give a satisfactory explanation what this matter is concerned. Thank you very much for your time!

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 4:58 am 
 

The other albums are notmetal either. Ministry were first accepted based on Rio Grande Blood, which is predominantly metal.
Hanzel and Gretyl are unacceptable industrial - see the rules- the bands listed there a s examples also use guitars.

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Freezerator
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 4:58 am 
 

http://www.myspace.com/hanzelundgretyl

Sorry, I forgot to post the link in my previous message.

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lcdrizzt
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 6:12 am 
 

Last week i submitted a band called Occitania, from Spain http://www.myspace.com/occitaniaoc the reason was that proofs for a physical release were required... they only have one demo, 4 tracks, 200 copies were released and distributed on a gig they did in 2009 as i submitted... i have the demo so i can take a photo, but here's a review of that gig were it's written that the demo was given:

http://www.aragonmetal.com/index.php/ln ... ono-210309

It's in spanish but i'll copy the paragraph and translate it for you:

"Recién grabados 12 temas nos obsequiaban con la entrada con un CD con 4 de ellos."

It means that they recorded 12 tracks and that gave us with the ticket a CD with four of them.

Hope this helps to include the band.

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alexwinged
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 12:01 pm 
 

do you accept this band here? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBhbis48GFU

i tried to submit it 1 month ago but it's not actually on the archives, i guess it was rejected.

They have 2 releases, here's their myspace page: www.myspace.com/clemmvirginia

Tnx.

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elfstone321
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 5:01 pm 
 

this band
http://www.myspace.com/kellsgaia
when I listened I realize that is not metal but in all biographies say is a ghotic metal band ex.
http://deadxmind.blogspot.com/2009/10/k ... rafia.html
it say: is a Ghotic Metal band

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kells_%28banda%29
here again say: it's a metal band

and even on spiriit of metal
http://www.spirit-of-metal.com/groupe-g ... -l-en.html

does this band is really metal???

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alexwinged
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 5:38 pm 
 

wednesdead666 wrote:
this band
http://www.myspace.com/kellsgaia
when I listened I realize that is not metal but in all biographies say is a ghotic metal band ex.
http://deadxmind.blogspot.com/2009/10/k ... rafia.html
it say: is a Ghotic Metal band

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kells_%28banda%29
here again say: it's a metal band

and even on spiriit of metal
http://www.spirit-of-metal.com/groupe-g ... -l-en.html

does this band is really metal???


their guitar riffing sounds metal to me, of course i'm just a mallcore kid and i don't have authority to say if this is metal enough for MA.

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elfstone321
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 6:20 pm 
 

alexwinged wrote:
wednesdead666 wrote:
this band
http://www.myspace.com/kellsgaia
when I listened I realize that is not metal but in all biographies say is a ghotic metal band ex.
http://deadxmind.blogspot.com/2009/10/k ... rafia.html
it say: is a Ghotic Metal band

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kells_%28banda%29
here again say: it's a metal band

and even on spiriit of metal
http://www.spirit-of-metal.com/groupe-g ... -l-en.html

does this band is really metal???


their guitar riffing sounds metal to me, of course i'm just a mallcore kid and i don't have authority to say if this is metal enough for MA.



maybe I'll try to submit, but if a Mod. answer this, it will be better

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Drowned
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 7:10 pm 
 

wednesdead666 wrote:
this band
http://www.myspace.com/kellsgaia
when I listened I realize that is not metal but in all biographies say is a ghotic metal band ex.
http://deadxmind.blogspot.com/2009/10/k ... rafia.html
it say: is a Ghotic Metal band

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kells_%28banda%29
here again say: it's a metal band

and even on spiriit of metal
http://www.spirit-of-metal.com/groupe-g ... -l-en.html

does this band is really metal???


Sounds like a slightly heavier Evanescence. Not metal.

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masshypnosis
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 9:27 pm 
 

Hello dear Encyclopaedia Metallum
My bend was rejected just like that! Because of no proof of existence,??
I don't know why?? Because we have more than one proof on the internet!!!
And we have a official release trough Gengeer records http://www.geengerrecords.com/
And trough I.D.M Music and publishing http://www.idmmusic.com/

http://www.mass-hypnosis.com/
http://masshypnosis.bandcamp.com/
http://www.myspace.com/masshypnosis1
http://www.reverbnation.com/artist/arti ... shypnosis1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb5HRN4q1KU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhkBmMmc ... re=related
http://hr-hr.facebook.com/group.php?gid=96913270249

please tell me why you are rejected us??????
Leo
povrche@gmail.com

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Drowned
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:18 pm 
 

masshypnosis wrote:
And we have a official release trough Gengeer records http://www.geengerrecords.com/


"CD is available for pre-order now! The release date is set to 10 May 2010."

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