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EntilZha
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 3:48 pm 
 

rexxz wrote:
Take a picture of the CD, link to a distro selling the demo, or a well known magazine/webzine with reviews. Those are all supporting evidence. The best ones are the first two, though.

Nope, the last two are the best. Anyone with a printer can make a fake CD with artwork and all.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 3:49 pm 
 

No, the first two are the best. Any fan/webzine can review a demo released on the internet.
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EntilZha
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 3:50 pm 
 

Pfff it's harder to fake a review than it is to fake artwork.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 3:50 pm 
 

I disagree.
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EntilZha
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 3:52 pm 
 

I can make full artwork for a band called "Cloven Hoven" and take a picture of it right now if you want. :P
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 3:53 pm 
 

Go for it, I'll write the review.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:10 pm 
 

rexxz wrote:
Take a picture of the CD, link to a distro selling the demo, or a well known magazine/webzine with reviews. Those are all supporting evidence. The best ones are the first two, though.


So if I take a picture of the CD, do I upload it here? I know I have to show proof, but is this board the correct place?

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rexxz
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:11 pm 
 

Well ideally you'll provide a link to the image when you submit the band, but often users who post in this thread will put their evidence here. That is not a good idea because it will be viewed by any mod that sees the submission if you put it in the submission entry itself.

Although it should be noted that we are very skeptical of CDs that appear to be home made (sharpie on a CD-R, for instance).
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Thapackmack
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:16 pm 
 

rexxz wrote:
Well ideally you'll provide a link to the image when you submit the band, but often users who post in this thread will put their evidence here. That is not a good idea because it will be viewed by any mod that sees the submission if you put it in the submission entry itself.

Although it should be noted that we are very skeptical of CDs that appear to be home made (sharpie on a CD-R, for instance).


Last question... and it's a stupid one. Where do I put the link on the submission page? It says no links in the additional notes area, and I guess I'm just missing where I should put the link.

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rexxz
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:18 pm 
 

After you submit a band, the following message will appear, "If you want to add more information for test such as albums or links click here to continue."
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:22 pm 
 

This is a special case. You can add such links in the additional notes. Just write down a little something for the mods ("picture of the demo" or whatever").

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Futuresynner
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 5:03 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
If The Plads are not metal, prove it. I have accepted them on reviews, which claimed otherwise - that they are metal. Did you notice, that there is always a possibility of a mistake?


Well, actually I don't have a rip of it and fortunately the seller took the record back since he agreed too that it's kinda heavier early U2 sound...but be sure as soon as I get a rip in my hands I'll post the link here. And as for other reviews/opinions, sure I'm not go(a)d and maybe sometimes wrong with my musicial prognosis, but The Plads is an local Alaska pressing which is very expensive (people just see the cover and transfer the cash), then when writing reviews about a record that was expensive but ultra crappy they mainly do not want to admit that they bought SHIT and advice it to others who're doing the same mistake and the circle closes...most aren't objective at all.
But anyways..one day I'll get a rip and you'll hear...

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http://www.goodbadmusic.com/2007/07/
PERMANENT DAMAGE came from Victoria, Australia and this was their debut. An LP followed a year later or so, entitled “End of Innocence”, but this here is it. Angry metalfree HC with some kind of an upspeed oi-feel to it, but it works! Recorded in 1984, this was very clean and polished for the time and it still kicks, I think. And the poster insert live shot is amazing, I think.
This goes out to KC. Enjoy.


I know that source, but the description goes for the EP. The LP is Thrash with guitar solos, doublebass drum attacks etc...just like Depression from OZ who started as HC/Punk and in the end were much more a Thrash Metal with HC influences but I guess this band was rejected as well..he he

And yes, I read all rules several times but when I was thru I already forgot what was written above and I've sent reports and nothing happened. Take a look at Proudflesh, I've reported to change the style to Power Metal/Crossover and what is still mentioned as style? Heavy Metal...WHY the members of this band were earlier in Crucifix (a Punk/HC band)? It's a Crossover/Metal style with kinda Motörhead speed but some "strange parts"...no real Punk, no real Thrash, no real Power Metal..a bit of everything...just as example...
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:54 am 
 

What about Europe?

I know they were glam rock laden with keyboards and shit like that, but their first two albums were more NWOBHM with a Swedish flair. Especially the first, kinda like early power metal.
While I haven't heard much of Secret Society (2006), Start from the Dark(2004) seems to be more metal oriented. It's at least borderline, and definitely their heaviest album in terms of guitar sound. Has this been discussed before?

Edit: Listening to more of their latest two albums, there are metal songs, or metallic hard rock songs mixed with softer hard rock songs and ballads... so I doubt either album would be enough.
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:03 am 
 

Futuresynner wrote:
Witcher wrote:
If The Plads are not metal, prove it. I have accepted them on reviews, which claimed otherwise - that they are metal. Did you notice, that there is always a possibility of a mistake?


Well, actually I don't have a rip of it and fortunately the seller took the record back since he agreed too that it's kinda heavier early U2 sound...but be sure as soon as I get a rip in my hands I'll post the link here. And as for other reviews/opinions, sure I'm not go(a)d and maybe sometimes wrong with my musicial prognosis, but The Plads is an local Alaska pressing which is very expensive (people just see the cover and transfer the cash), then when writing reviews about a record that was expensive but ultra crappy they mainly do not want to admit that they bought SHIT and advice it to others who're doing the same mistake and the circle closes...most aren't objective at all.
But anyways..one day I'll get a rip and you'll hear...

Quote:
http://www.goodbadmusic.com/2007/07/
PERMANENT DAMAGE came from Victoria, Australia and this was their debut. An LP followed a year later or so, entitled “End of Innocence”, but this here is it. Angry metalfree HC with some kind of an upspeed oi-feel to it, but it works! Recorded in 1984, this was very clean and polished for the time and it still kicks, I think. And the poster insert live shot is amazing, I think.
This goes out to KC. Enjoy.


I know that source, but the description goes for the EP. The LP is Thrash with guitar solos, doublebass drum attacks etc...just like Depression from OZ who started as HC/Punk and in the end were much more a Thrash Metal with HC influences but I guess this band was rejected as well..he he

And yes, I read all rules several times but when I was thru I already forgot what was written above and I've sent reports and nothing happened. Take a look at Proudflesh, I've reported to change the style to Power Metal/Crossover and what is still mentioned as style? Heavy Metal...WHY the members of this band were earlier in Crucifix (a Punk/HC band)? It's a Crossover/Metal style with kinda Motörhead speed but some "strange parts"...no real Punk, no real Thrash, no real Power Metal..a bit of everything...just as example...

Do you recgnize, that the mod may not agree with your proposed genre?
There is not a trace of power metal there, it is just a traditional metal played with punk energy.
As for the other band, you would have to prove that they released something metal in style. You would need really convincing samples. I somehow doubt it, seeing what else you have submitted as crossover. Besides, guitar solos alone do not make a band metal, there should be general change in songwriting and riffing.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:33 am 
 

Apparently Æthereal was rejected because of a lack of apparent discography but if anyone had bothered to follow the links provided one could see that the record was out on the 15th of August via Black Goat Records. So if you go to http://www.blackgoatrecords.com you can see that.

You can also listen to the thing on Last.fm, the full thing.. just look up Æthereal.

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Fanfarigoule
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:47 am 
 

Strange that there's still "pre-sale now" written and not "out now", it has already been four days.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:53 am 
 

Fanfarigoule wrote:
Strange that there's still "pre-sale now" written and not "out now", it has already been four days.

The same on their myspace - suspicious.

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Leechmaster
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:49 am 
 

If I submit Gift of Prophecy AFTER the 22nd of September will they then be accepted :nods:

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:55 am 
 

Leechmaster wrote:
If I submit Gift of Prophecy AFTER the 22nd of September will they then be accepted :nods:

Do not know, if the band is metal and will have a physical release, then yes.
Rule 7 will tell you everything.
I have not heard them, since I do not bother to hear samples by bands with no releases.

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Leechmaster
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:09 am 
 

Yeah, I reckon they're metal enough. They have some tracks posted on their myspace off their up coming album.

How many moderators are there who decide to either accept or reject bands???

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:13 am 
 

Leechmaster wrote:
Yeah, I reckon they're metal enough. They have some tracks posted on their myspace off their up coming album.

How many moderators are there who decide to either accept or reject bands???

It depends, theoretically all. But not everybody has time, some concentrate more on reviews etc.

In this case, the decision is easy, since they have no physical release yet.

They are apparently metal, though.

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Heraklyon
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 12:47 pm 
 

Hey Witcher

I tried to add the band World Downfall (Jpn) and it was rejected after a considerable time, because apparently they do not possess discography. The thing is, they have discography and I even posted 2 splits (plus an album from them only) with Agathocles and Nashgul, both bands present here on the archives.

So what was the reason for you guys to reject the band?

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:20 pm 
 

Heraklyon wrote:
Hey Witcher

I tried to add the band World Downfall (Jpn) and it was rejected after a considerable time, because apparently they do not possess discography. The thing is, they have discography and I even posted 2 splits (plus an album from them only) with Agathocles and Nashgul, both bands present here on the archives.

So what was the reason for you guys to reject the band?

Lack of proof of metalness/lack of info. No samples.

You have to read the rejection message properly.

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Heraklyon
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:22 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
Heraklyon wrote:
Hey Witcher

I tried to add the band World Downfall (Jpn) and it was rejected after a considerable time, because apparently they do not possess discography. The thing is, they have discography and I even posted 2 splits (plus an album from them only) with Agathocles and Nashgul, both bands present here on the archives.

So what was the reason for you guys to reject the band?

Lack of proof of metalness/lack of info. No samples.

You have to read the rejection message properly.

So what do I have to do? Send you some tracks or to give a link to a split or something like that?

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:28 pm 
 

Heraklyon wrote:
Witcher wrote:
Heraklyon wrote:
Hey Witcher

I tried to add the band World Downfall (Jpn) and it was rejected after a considerable time, because apparently they do not possess discography. The thing is, they have discography and I even posted 2 splits (plus an album from them only) with Agathocles and Nashgul, both bands present here on the archives.

So what was the reason for you guys to reject the band?

Lack of proof of metalness/lack of info. No samples.

You have to read the rejection message properly.

So what do I have to do? Send you some tracks or to give a link to a split or something like that?

Either some songsamples or at least two detailed reviews. You have it all written down in the guidelines (grindcore, acceptable music styles, suspicious genres etc.). You know, you would spare yourself a lot of troubles, if you would read them before submitting anything.

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Heraklyon
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:55 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
Heraklyon wrote:
Witcher wrote:
Heraklyon wrote:
Hey Witcher

I tried to add the band World Downfall (Jpn) and it was rejected after a considerable time, because apparently they do not possess discography. The thing is, they have discography and I even posted 2 splits (plus an album from them only) with Agathocles and Nashgul, both bands present here on the archives.

So what was the reason for you guys to reject the band?

Lack of proof of metalness/lack of info. No samples.

You have to read the rejection message properly.

So what do I have to do? Send you some tracks or to give a link to a split or something like that?

Either some songsamples or at least two detailed reviews. You have it all written down in the guidelines (grindcore, acceptable music styles, suspicious genres etc.). You know, you would spare yourself a lot of troubles, if you would read them before submitting anything.

Couldn't find any reviews, so I'll just give you what I've found:
There you go:

Their existence prooved by two sites, with their discography:
http://www.rockdetector.com/artist,49637.sm
http://www.metalmania.net/showband.php?bid=7580

Link for their split with Nashgul(if you want songsamples):
http://eatingchildrenforjesus.blogspot. ... split.html

A shop selling their split with Nashgul:
http://scareyshop.com/catalog/product_i ... ts_id=2930

A distro selling their split with Nashgul:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu ... D=61479313


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:58 pm 
 

I will listen to it later, I would like to say that the point is to prove, that they are metal enough, not if they have release- which they clearly do.

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Heraklyon
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:01 pm 
 

Fare enough.

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Futuresynner
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 1:03 am 
 

Witcher wrote:
Futuresynner wrote:
Witcher wrote:
Do you recgnize, that the mod may not agree with your proposed genre?
There is not a trace of power metal there, it is just a traditional metal played with punk energy.
As for the other band, you would have to prove that they released something metal in style. You would need really convincing samples. I somehow doubt it, seeing what else you have submitted as crossover. Besides, guitar solos alone do not make a band metal, there should be general change in songwriting and riffing.


Well, the mod may have heard just their latest CD, but they've released the "Powerbroker E.P." privately and did exist since the 80's as well and in these times they were a punky Power Metal/Crossover band.
And actually the combination of guitar solos anmd doublebass drums in a "HC" band are actually serious signs for a Metal influences, just ask die-hard HC fans who abhor these kind of bands and no even consider bands like Jerry's Kids or SS Decontrol in their later phases a pure Metal band...
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 2:44 am 
 

Futuresynner wrote:
Witcher wrote:
Futuresynner wrote:
Witcher wrote:
Do you recgnize, that the mod may not agree with your proposed genre?
There is not a trace of power metal there, it is just a traditional metal played with punk energy.
As for the other band, you would have to prove that they released something metal in style. You would need really convincing samples. I somehow doubt it, seeing what else you have submitted as crossover. Besides, guitar solos alone do not make a band metal, there should be general change in songwriting and riffing.


Well, the mod may have heard just their latest CD, but they've released the "Powerbroker E.P." privately and did exist since the 80's as well and in these times they were a punky Power Metal/Crossover band.
And actually the combination of guitar solos anmd doublebass drums in a "HC" band are actually serious signs for a Metal influences, just ask die-hard HC fans who abhor these kind of bands and no even consider bands like Jerry's Kids or SS Decontrol in their later phases a pure Metal band...

See what MMisantropo said. You seem to submit hardcore band with possible minimal metal influnces as metal. A band has to be predominantly metal to be listed here. Solos will not save them. What hardcore purists say does not interest us much. It is surprising, that you still cannot understand the stance on hardcore bands.

As for Proudflesh, they are absolutely not power metal, be it the American or European style. It would be misleading. I do not agree with your tag and so it will not be apllied. It is only your personal classification of their style.
Across This Chaos is not a power metal song, sounds inspired by Tank or Motorhead. They in general plays traditional metal with a punkish touch. The founding year has nothing to do with it. So just drop it.

Simply, not every proposal will be accepted and you cannot expect that.
Neither you can expect that everybody will agree with you.

This is a rejected bands thread, so the discussion about reports does not belong here.

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Heraklyon
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:11 am 
 

Hey Witcher

Have you heard World Downfall yet?

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:25 am 
 

Heraklyon wrote:
Hey Witcher

Have you heard World Downfall yet?

Yes, only the last song on the split has some minor metal influences, so still not acceptable.

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Heraklyon
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:29 am 
 

Witcher wrote:
Heraklyon wrote:
Hey Witcher

Have you heard World Downfall yet?

Yes, only the last song on the split has some minor metal influences, so still not acceptable.

You're right, I have listened a couple of times and I felt that the other two songs didn't have the required metal influences.
Sorry to have bothered you with this, but I had listened for the first time and it seemed rather metallic, now I figured it out.

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Tormentorr
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:29 pm 
 

I tried to add my band Sexorcist here and i dont understand why it got rejected, got 3 songs in myspace and 5 in mikseri.net which i linked as official pages (cos we haven't got any other). I know i should even had put the demo covers here and track lenghts but i don't have 'em on my computer so i'ts kinda hard. Is it possible that i got accepted if i link them here?

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Catachthonian
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:32 pm 
 

Do you have any physical releases?

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Tormentorr
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:36 pm 
 

yes i do, and infact our next demo is coming next week.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:38 pm 
 

Tormentorr wrote:
yes i do, and infact our next demo is coming next week.

Then you have to prove it - by links to distros, reviews in fanzines, which mention the nature of the demo or a scan of the whole physical release.

Songs on myspace or mikseri mean nothing - see rule 7.
They can only prove that a band is metal.

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Tormentorr
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:40 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
Tormentorr wrote:
yes i do, and infact our next demo is coming next week.

Then you have to prove it - by links to distros, reviews in fanzines, which mention the nature of the demo or a scan of the whole physical release.


Ok then, i'll just scan the whole package, cd and covers and then i link them here? If i got accepted, are the infos somewhere ready or do i have to add the again?

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:42 pm 
 

Tormentorr wrote:
Witcher wrote:
Tormentorr wrote:
yes i do, and infact our next demo is coming next week.

Then you have to prove it - by links to distros, reviews in fanzines, which mention the nature of the demo or a scan of the whole physical release.


Ok then, i'll just scan the whole package, cd and covers and then i link them here? If i got accepted, are the infos somewhere ready or do i have to add the again?

You will have to completely resubmit the band.

You can place a link to the scan in the additional notes of your submission, or you can post it here.

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Tormentorr
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:43 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
Tormentorr wrote:
Witcher wrote:
Tormentorr wrote:
yes i do, and infact our next demo is coming next week.

Then you have to prove it - by links to distros, reviews in fanzines, which mention the nature of the demo or a scan of the whole physical release.


Ok then, i'll just scan the whole package, cd and covers and then i link them here? If i got accepted, are the infos somewhere ready or do i have to add the again?

You will have to completely resubmit the band.

You can place a link to the scan in the additional notes of your submission, or you can post it here.


Allright, thanks for the advices. I'll do that

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