Or lazy. C'mon, that's ridiculous. The fact is that the record was out on the 15th, available to be bought (and people have paid money for the product) so I'm not really sure what you people expect.

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Look, if you do not have that proof, then let it be.
It was available for pre-ordering, that does not mean that it was physically released back then.
I absolutely do not care, if it is ridiculous for you or not. All that matters is if you can offer something convincing.
It is up to you to offer visible valid proof of release. You can say everything here, buit those are just words, nothing that could be validated.

The disc is available, people have bought the thing--I don't have a picture of the disc itself and since it was just released and the label is small we're going to be doing piece by piece promotion. It says on the flyer, if you made it that far in, that the physical release date was on the 15th of August. I'm not sure what more you guys need? It's out. It's for real. Æthereal does, in fact, exist as does a CD with the music on it.
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We need some form of evidence, as it has been suggested many times before. Testimony by a user is not acceptable.

Have a link to it in a distro where it can be purchased?

Yes, it can be purchased via paypal on the site that I gave. As soon as I get my copies of the disc from the label I will be setting stuff up at CDBaby, and then it'll be available via them and iTunes and stuff. But right now the disc is available only through the label home page. And just because the flyer says "pre-sale" doesn't mean that the disc isn't out yet since the flyer also says "Release Date 08.15.08," which shows that it was released.

No, it is still as confusing as before. Pre-sale means that you can pre-order it, even through pay pal. People have pre-ordered it, if anything.

When it will be on cd baby, it will be convincing enough. Or when the label announces it as "out now". The situation, as it is now, is unclear. We of course go by what the official sources list and when they list something like that, there is no sense in arguing. If they are lazy to change it, their problem. But it will be viewed as unconvincing.

By the way, is it impossible for you to wait until the proper evidence of the album releases surfaces or what??

August Burns Red. I honestly don't know how many times this band has been discussed before, but I did see them get accepted sometime within the last two years and then deleted within a matter of days later. I'm guessing that they were taken down due to a lack of metalness and up until I listened to the 2007 full-length "Messengers" I would have agreed. They would still be very borderline, but I will leave the decision of their metalness up to you, the mods. I personally hear strong metal influences throughout the release. I would label it Technical/Progressive Metalcore.

Messengers full-length on Rapidshare:
http://rapidshare.com/files/37943902/Au ... _.zip.html

And what is now wrong with Outpatients???
I put a link of a review in the post taken from a book and written by Matthias Mader for the "This is Boston, not New York" book =>
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/3636 ... biogm6.jpg

He's mentioning that the "Free association" LP was nothing for HC fans since it's containing pure Speed Metal. Furthermore this band is featured in US Metal Vol. 2 book it's mentioned as "for die-hard Power Metal freaks"...2 opinions written by 2 different Metalheads that are into Metal since the early 80's..so who the hell you think you are? If you don't have a clue about Metal history at all you're maybe doing the wrong job! Ever thought about this? Good bye MA. I'm sick & tired of your stubborn behaviour! You want to be the most complete Metal archive? Then open your mind, your eyes and especially ears!

I have not noticed it , but I do not agree with his description. It is not a detailed review anyway, which there should be at least two of.

I have not read the other book. Are you able to understand, that I will not oder it just because of your submission? It is up to you to submit convincing proof.

I have already explained to you, that you should be careful with those hardcore bands and that you would need convincing samples. Also, that you count on some rejections for alledged crossover bands.
There was not a trace of power metal in that song, so it is hard to imagine where he got that.


http://www.myspace.com/outpatientswmass
Nothing about power metal here, crossover is mentioned
Only the 1993 song has some thrash influences, but if it is enough?

You can get opinion from more mods on the band, but i frankly have enough.
You do not have any reason to make such scenes here because of some rejected hardcore bands, after I have explained to you our policy on them.
The word here is METAL history, not HARDCORE PUNK history.


If you are not able to accept this policy, your problem.

Why was my addition of Ross The Boss rejected? I just received the album today. The official release date is the 22nd of August, but like a lot of releases this was more of a indication that it will be released in the week of the 22nd, and it was send out to people on monday/tuesday. Do I need to upload a picture of myself holding a new album as the band picture to proof an album got released one day earlier?

You should wait for the official release date, as always in such cases. See Alestorm cause. It is also in order to give the other users, who patiently and correctly wait for the release date, the fair opportunity to submit the band.

has anybody had a chance to listen to August Burns Red yet?

Sorry for bugging you,peeps,but can someone direct me to the black-list thingy?

Thanks.

It is for mods only. You cannot see or enter it, it is not technically possible.

There are older versions of the list here on forum, search for it.
The submission of a blacklisted band will be blocked automatically.

I got an email saying that its either because of the lack of info or the lack of proof of thier releases.
They have released a single dammit and its up on thier myspace isnt that enough proof. WTF

No, the release must be physical, as you would know, if you did bother to read the rules- rule 7.
Song on myspace is not a valid release.
http://www.metal-archives.com/guidelines.php

What do you want me to do send you a CD ? Its on CD and band there wouldnt put it up on myspace if they havent released it on CD

To prove that a Cd release exist - by linking to an established distro, fanzine review which mentions a physical release or a scan of the whole release.

Everybody can put anything on myspace, a song in their player does not mean anything. Read the rule 7 again- there is a part dedicated to that.

First, the band must have at least released SOME material. If you don't even have a physical demo... forget it. The band might have been formed, even got a logo, but how will we know that they won't just disband before even recording any song? An mp3 or two on MySpace or mp3.com-like websites is not enough. The band must have a demo out - this is the minimum. If you want to add your band, and you *know* you will release something soon, simply wait until it's released before submitting it!

Everybody can put anything on myspace, a song in their player does not mean anything. Read the rule 7 again- there is a part dedicated to that.
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This is not fair. I could send you the cover and a scan of the CD itself its handwritten for you information. What if you comeback and say that you cant accept it coz its handwritten. Seriously I think you should be a bit more lineant about these things.
Its a depressive black metal band for gods sake and they circulate the single among friends and thats it. I dont have links for distros

And on another note its not as if you are sticking to your rules yourselves. I have reported so many bands whove listed thier demos and albums which havent been released.

All I can say is that this seems like an utter load of crap. People log on to the site to find out about bands and what they have released. If the material they have is good who would give a shit if they would continue making music or not. Its up to them.

It's the user who must convince the mods, not vice versa.

I might aswell forget about submitting bands in the future then. There are a lot of bands out there who could use the exposure and you are just hindering it.

Whats with this vice versa story ? Mods convinicing users ? Thats a first read the reply I posted before you start using your latin on me.

Users must concince the mods about the physical nature of the release.

All bands have to fit the written rules. If they have no physical releases, then they will not be accepted.
The database is not a cheap promo agency. We do not care about exposure for bands, but about providing info about all bands, that meeet our criteria, for metal fans.

ok

I have a band that Im wondering about the "metal" status of lately. Anyone heard any Knorkator lately? Their first album was a little too out of the metal realm for me, what with the overuse of keyboards and synths. Im not actually sure if they have one entire album thats metal enough to be on here, since some songs just sound sort of iffy to me. Others are just silly and not metal at all, like Absolution (which is a..."ballad", if you can call it that. Minus the falsetto and ridiculous lyrics.). Then you have songs which I definitely find to be metal in some form, like A (Even with the silly chorus. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA) or Eh, Du Alte Ficksau. If someone could give a bunch of their songs a listen and tell me what they think, itd be a great help.

They would need a whole metal album, not just some songs.
And the burden of proof is upon you.

Well, when I say the whole album, I mean that the majority do sound fairly metal. Out of a whole album the tracks are predominently metal sounding ones, with about three "silly" tracks. As for the proof,

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu ... D=74986562

Their myspace. Only problem is that they dont have any of their heavier songs up there, except maybe Der Werwurm. The only thing I can possibly think of is listening to each song individually on Youtube, and I cant give links to them. If anyones up to tracking down full albums over Youtube, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knorkator has all their releases listed except the A EP. Im doing it now myself, but my metal definition knowledge is still kind of unexperienced.

Der Werwurm would certainly not be metal enough.
I will repeat it more clearly - it is up to the user to get working links to an album, which is predominantly and consequently metal, to reach anything here.

Righto. Can I ask why the song isnt sufficient then? I can figure it out for myself on the most part, but a definite reason would aid in determining the rest of their works status.

It sounds like electrogoth/industrial with some heavier guitars, or if you want it that way, as poppier Rammstein/Nine Inch Nails.

Righto...On their later albums I know they've gotten a real drummer, and a bass player. As such Im pretty sure theyve tossed aside the electrogoth/industrial tendencies for the most part on their latest album. One other thing before I stop bugging you (as thats definitely what I do best. ). They have a release from 1995 that Im fairly sure was just the one song (A) which is basically just guitar, a drum machine, their singer (who screams "A"), and a keyboard backing the guitar for about 10 seconds at one point. If you could give that a listen (once again, probably on Youtube), would a single release (even though its just one metal song, it was a release nonetheless since it apparently sold copies.) of just that qualify acception?

EDIT: Nevermind, seems they kept the industrial sound. Albums wont get them on, only hope seems to be the EP.

Why would you want a band that is purely industrial music to be on the Metal Archives? I do not seek out bands such as Nickelback who are obviously not metal and eagerly await their new album in hopes that I can add them here. How about sticking to bands that are metal already, instead of trying to fit every square pegged borderline (or not even that much) band into our round holed rules.

Yowch, that seems like an over generalization. To be fair, I haven't actually added any bands yet, nor have I tried to seek out bands that clearly arent metal in the hopes that they've released something to go on here. Although I do suppose it seemed like I was looking for a loophole, for which I apologize. If you're trying to address a recent influx of people looking for little exceptions that would get bands onto the archives, I'll understand, but please dont lump me in with people simply trying to get their favorite stuff on here (or worse, just trying to get bands on for the sake of adding bands.)

We tried to add ourselves unto metal archives and we were rejected saying that we are not metal. We are not the heaviest of all metal, we are darkwave metal, but we are still metal. If you disagree, judge for yourselves at www.myspace.com/stargasmlasvegas

No, you are techno with some guitars. See the ruling on industrial and similar.
Darkwave metal does not exist and is completely absurd as a genre description - an oxymoron.

hey, what was wrong with warcult?

just if you guys rejected the band. i dont really know if you did; i read the f.a.q's and watched into the list with outstanding bands.
warcult is not in there and not on the archives.

so, what was wrong? one demo is published, the next will be within the next days.
you can be able to listen to the music on www.myspace.com/warcultdt (just if you didnt find anything about the band (strange...))
and warcult is also working together with other guys!

so then, nice day!

You have to prove, that a physical release exist and was distributed. Songs at myspace prove nothing.


By the way, it is up to you to provide the needed info, we will not search for myspace pages and the like if you do not include them in your submission.

i release it by myself.

so if i take a photo of the demo (physically, standing on the table or something like this ) it is a proof?

sry, if this is a little weird, but thanks for the fast reply.

Sadofaust/Warcult

A photo with several copies of the release on it would be convincing. A CD-R with a text scribbled on it like "DIS is Da Demo" ... is not enough. A cover should be there.

Hi,
I don't why, after many adds, the band Social Plague is rejected.
This band has many punk, hardcore and crust influences, but like Napalm Death, Driller Killer or Extreme Noise Terror, bands that are in MA.
Listen to their songs at myspace, you'll see that grind/death influences are there. Many songs in the vein of Terrorizer, Repulsion, Mastic Scum or ENT. Blast beats like Napalm Death, etc.
Members have all played in metal bands, so I'm sure that this band has this place on MA
Check this : myspace.com/thesocialplague
www.socialplague.net

Cheers

ok then.

i post it together with my submission to proof it and everything is fine.
is there an extra space for this or something?
or have i got to post this somewhere else then?

thanks!