well, there are two options:
- additional notes
- report function.
The latter might be more appropriate though.

allright!
done!
great, hehe

I just added the band Infernal Desecration with in the notes the name and date of the release and a link to the label which released it, so I don't know why there is a "lack of information".

The link does not work at all. It was written in the rejection message.
What shows:
De pagina is niet gevonden

De URL http://home.kpn.nl/H.Peeks/index.htm is niet gevonden op de webserver.
Controleer of het pad in de URL juist is.

Ah, now I see, sorry. The website works fine here. Here's a screenshot with the proof: http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/1552/websiteta1.png

Resubmit.

http://www.metal-archives.com/board/vie ... hp?t=41708
The band is grindcore and the user did not even bother to add links to homepage, even if he whines about that.

"Political grindcore" is not a valid metal genre, or even a valid music genre at all.

my band was deleted for no apparent reason after being up on this website for about 10 months.
all demo releases excisted in actual copies and i can provide proof in necessary.

old link - www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=110191

Then offer evidence. Your words are not enought to convince anyone around here.

A photography of the releases, reviews, distro-lists which carry your releases ... some evidence that a physical copy exist.

If the music had been labelled as non-metal, then offer samples.

edit:
I see.... nuked today by Witcher and judging from your MySpace site, I cannot say that I am surprised.

this is a good MySpace site:
http://www.myspace.com/gnawtheirtongues
Why? You can clearly see that the releases are available and in which quantities...

One of Mezmoria's band members tried to make a profile at Metallum yesterday. While adding, something went wrong when they were supposed to add the discography part and they could not go back and change it.

Our songs can be found at: http://www.myspace.com/mezmoria
You can even download the EP on our homepage: http://www.mezmoria.se/downloads.html

There you can also find: CD cover, and we even have a news article from the Swedish newspaper Metro about our first gig. If that still isn't proof enough that this band is active and playing their material, there are photos of the live performance.

If what you find on our site isn't solid enough please tell us!

//Mezmoria's Webmaster.

This says all we need to know. No physical release.

Hallo, I have tried to submit the swedish band "Underjordiska" only to get a message that the band has been previously rejected on the grounds of "not being metal enough". I consider this quite absurd, as this project is totally based in black metal in addition with some unconventialities and influences from experimental music. There have been three official cd-r releases by now, from the labels "Stellar Auditorium" and "Cuckold Productions" and a tape coming soon on Black Moon Productions. Anyway, here is a link so that you may check out yourselves. Please send me a pm when all is cleared out so that I can re-submit the band.

http://www.myspace.com/underjordiskadahl

Not so fast please. This isn't black metal. Split Trailer and Springwater are acoustic/ambient tracks. The two other ones are dark ambient.

Dark ambient, you are kidding me right? Dystert Vilse and Landscapes of Depression are 80% pure black metal. 3-4 guitars in each track tremolo playing in full distortion and screaming classic bm vocals. What's unconventional in Dystert Vilse is just the absence of drumming, although there are many cymbal rolls if you notice. Landscapes of Deepression is also mostly comprised of regular bm tracks (with drumming included ;p)

Could someone with some more knowledge of the genre or who has actually heard the albums respond?

What is unconventional - the song have not metal riffs in them whatsoever.
Vocals do not make a band metal, neither do distorted guitar alone.

We here have a deep knowledge of metal genre and the songs presented on myspace do not belong in it.

No ambient fan will save you.

By the way, try a more humble tone, you will not reach anythinng by arrogance here.

I remember this band. It had been discussed before and rejected due to the lack of clearly recognizable riffs. There are just some dronish tones that might be give some hints on guitars, but black metal characteristics beyond the distorted harsh voice are simply not there.

not metal... does not belong.

I remember this band. It had been discussed before and rejected due to the lack of clearly recognizable riffs. There are just some dronish tones that might be give some hints on guitars, but black metal characteristics beyond the distorted harsh voice are simply not there.

not metal... does not belong.

Well, sir, I will have to respond that I believe I have an equal knowledge of metal music with you, and I will tell you that your "opinion", unless presented with some actual arguments ("the song have not metal riffs" alone doesn't do, sorry) does not hold any value for me. Apparently when it is obvious that the riffing on the songs from dystert vilse is nothing different than the black metal type of riffing present in albums such as "Transilvanian Hunger" and "Nattens Madrigal". In conjunction with the vocals and the whole spirit of the work, I consider it as I said quite absurd that only the lack of a blastbeat playing on the backround makes people think it's some kind of dark ambient. Sure says a lot about the limited and one-dimensional view said poeple have towards metal music. In any way, I would like to ask for the opinion of a moderator, and also if the material provided in the myspace page still doesn't meet the "needs" of the site I am willing to provide a moderator with some additional material, the more "metal sounding" as well.

I remember this band. It had been discussed before and rejected due to the lack of clearly recognizable riffs. There are just some dronish tones that might be give some hints on guitars, but black metal characteristics beyond the distorted harsh voice are simply not there.

not metal... does not belong.

You got opinion from two moderator. We do not consider this sound to be metal at all. It is psychedelic noise, not metal.
Metal music needs certain type of strcutured riffs, not unstructured wall of sound.
WE are not here to convince you about anything, it is the other way round. And you have failed, unless the band has a release with completely different sound than the samples presented on myspace.

Your personal, strange definition of metal does not interest us at all. The site is not a democracy. The thread here is for users, who can prove, that a band has a rlease, that fits OUR definition of metal.

Spirit of the work means nothing, the sound and compositions is all that matters.

And you should really call yourself into question.

Yeah, this is more along the lines of drone music than metal.

Sorry man.

This is just sad. Structure you say sir? Allow me to say that you have not got the required knowledge of the term "structure" in order to use it in such a bold way. You need to know some things about MUSIC you see rather that just "metal" in order to support that something is "unstructured". So let me spell it out for you. The songs on "Dystert Vilse" are comprised of a series of black metal RIFFS (not chord progressions, not "melodies") structured clearly into a A-B-A-C typical kind of progression. The riffs themselves are comprised of several guitar tracks, layered in such a way as to produce a reverbant and spacious result, which I suppose is what makes it hard for people that have got used to listening at nuclear-blast-kind-of productions to discern the actual riffing. Nothing is "random" or "undiscernible" on this record as to support the claim of "unstructured noise". Plus, even if that doesn't sound enough "metal" for you, it is quite the epitome of the "ambient black metal" sound and I cannot help by wonder at the fact that you've got much less metal sounding than Underjordiska bands in the site such as Lurker of Chalice, Wither, Nortt, Vinterikket and all the "ambient projects of metal bands" thing - and by the way, Dahl is a member of a band already in the archives, "Angrepp")



Even more sadly, this last sentence says it all. "Spirit of the work means nothing". This is the degeneration of judgement and aesthetic into a series of "must-be-like-that" stationary rules which make it possible for people with no serious knowledge of metal to appear as authorities in the subject. I won't tell you that what you're doing in metal archives is easy, but music evolves and someday Underjordiska will be added to the archives, because most of the technical elements and ALL of the spirit of this band belongs to black metal music (btw you people have no knowledge of drone music either, drone music is not supposed to sound like an ATTACK on the senses like this is). Anyway, I'm not going to greater lengths to "prove" you something that (should be) based on the subjective judgement of each one of you, I'd like to mention however that like I said I can provide some additional (more "metal sounding" ;p) tracks to any moderator interested to look at this again, with the artists permission of course.

Look , you can write your strange music theories in your blog, but we are not interested in them

The decision was made, the case is closed. The band will not get in.

Metal has a certain definition elements and to be unstructured psychedelic noise is not one of them.
It has no technical elements of metal. The composition and delivery is entirely different.

Those ambient black metal bands are not particularly metal themselves and a lot of them are moving outside the boundaries of metal.
It will never evolve into such ambient stuff as the band, otherwise it could not be called metal anymore. Not in 100 years. Jazz will stay cetain type of music, punk will stay certain type of music and metal will too.
There is no such category as spirit in music, it is an entirely metaphysical category, which has no place here and which is impossible to define and measure. Nobody with a common sense would use it as an argument here.
There is nothing like a black metal spirit, that is something only its most pretentious, out of reality fans may think. Music is not metaphysical, it is human made.


This site works with "must-be-like-that" stationary rules. It is based on that. If you do not like it, go elsewhere.

Now you're definitely not helping your case. Don't assume what knowledge we have and do not have.



Your music did not ATTACK my senses in any way whatsoever.

Of course, that phrase says it all, you're so ignorant about music that you're uninsterested to make an argument that will apply to some general knowledge, instead you're just exhibitioning your power and position in the site as an answer. LOOK AT ME, I AM IMPORTANT AND POWERFUL, WE WILL DO AS I SAY, NO DEMOCRACY! Bravo, you're unwillingness to do a serious conversation weakens the credibility of the site. The already hurt, from many cases, credibility I must say.



Exactly, and probably never will even if I show you some Underjordiska album with Iron maiden style riffing. That's because I questioned the credibility and knowledge of yourself as a moderator I assume. Oh well, I'll behave better next time.



You're just repeating the same nonsense I answered you in the previous post. From the 3 basic characteristics of black metal in terms of instrumentation, which is distorted guitar-bass playing fast, tremolo type of riffing, screaming vocals, and fast drums (blastbeat, double bass etc) Underjordiska has got 2 of them. FACT. Answered you about the "composition" part in the previous post too. Structure is clearly black metal.



YET YOU'VE GOT THEM ON THE SITE. Delete Lurker of Chalice and Wither and Vinterriket first and then tell me not to submit Underjordiska. And you are also again wrong, all music styles evolve. Transilvanian Hunger wouldn't be called metal back in 1980



On the forums people talk about ideology, about aesthetic, about drive of metal music and you're all telling them that they have no idea what they're talking about with this post. Sure, it can't DEFINE the music style of a band, but it can certainly help when we are "near the line" with the music material such as in this case.



I'm interested to listen to other member's opinion about this.

PS. mr rexxz it is not my music of course. I'd like other people's opinion on the "attacking the senses part". It sounds like some romantic walk on the beach, eh?

Alright, it's not your music. My mistake concerning that.

However, the feelings and imagery that one associates with any particular music is subjective, and thus it's not a criteria that we use when determining a band's genre. Compositional techniques and idiosyncracies are, however. And those are quite objective. This band simply is not metal, as it has been deemed by the moderation team of the archives. Further appeals are not necessary, and the decision won't be reversed.

Would you mind layering down the "Compositional techniques and idiosyncracies" that made you decide this? Cause I have already did this and quite OBJECTIVELY, from my part.



How can you say this when you have listened just the songs from the myspace page and none of the first record? I'm still waiting some to PM me to send something.

For the last time, nothing like spirit of the music exist. Ideology is not the deciding factory in anything and bands here are not judged according to that.

The band in questiong is nowhere close to real metal, black metal is a metal subgenre and as such, it has to meet a common characteristics of metal music.Vocals do not define metal music, it is certain type of guitar based sound and composition.
This guitar sound has nothing to do with metal , but a lot with fuzzy guitar sound of alternative experimental rock like My Bllody Valentine. That is not metal.

And for the last time, your personal definition of metal is not what matters. We have a predefined set of rules, according which we decide. The bands will not get listed here by popular voting.
If you think the rules will be changed because of you, then you do not understand the systemhere at all. It really is no democracy.

No, we already explained our decision to you.
It is not our purpose to convince you about anything, our work is to validate bands according to OUR rules. If spmebody has a band that fits them, we will accept it. If not it will be rejected. This thread is for the cases, when a band has an album, that will fit our rules, OUR definition of metal and the user can offer us valid proof for that. It is not for convincing users about our decisions.

Because that is what we are judging. We don't have access to the first record, and if you want to present music for us to judge (which you have done so in linking the myspace page) that is what we will be analyzing.

This is a big lie, and this where you show your prejudice to "win" this case, rather than your knowledge. I'm giving the link here again, and I really want an honest feedback from metal archives people that this is NOT a black metal sound. http://www.myspace.com/underjordiskadahl





This is again the sad part. I hope you will recieve enough negative feedback one day to really think again about what you wrote here.

You can do whetever you think, but I will continue to support my opinion that you're wrong. Not listening to people's opinion might get you down to fascist behaviour in the end, and yeah, I have understood that this is not about democracy, not need to tell me again,

Lycaon, look. This really is not up for debate, I assure you. Continue to press your agenda and you'll be taken care of.

Opinions of people from metal archives besides the moderators do not matter. We, the moderators have heard the songs on myspace and have already told you, that this is not metal. Case is closed for us. If you want to argument with these songs, then it has no sense at all.

Repeating your strange views over and over will not bring you anything, besides attention and possible policing from a forum mod.

Lycaon, check your PM box.

Could anyone please tell me why isn't Nanowar/Nanowar of Steel on this site?
Because it has got like 5 covers? Their other stuff is THEIR ORIGINAL stuff with funny (i made up a word?) lyrics... and c'mon, you can't call that rock, this is just pure heavy/power metal. And I seriously doubt that no-one had proposed this band.
So can someone give me GOOD reason: why?

If Ion Dissonance aren't metal....then what genre are they???

Technical metalcore.

"Mathcore."

Yeah, only retards use that term though, but it basically means the same exact thing I posted.