Yeah, their first demo really sounds metal. If Helmet can make it with a similar sound, maybe tool can as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVZrRDb5E2M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NgXNFjI ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my1pNT-C ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A2wG0A- ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw0d-BlA ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QojMII0-tr0

HELMET is on Metal-Archives ???? Ha,ha,ha! Joke of the year! Bear must step on someones ears Since when Experimental HardCore is called METAL ???

Submitted by UltraBoris on December 24th, 2002.

It doesnt matter who submited it,but the fact is that this band is surely not Metal.Alternative Rock/Experimantal Hardcore(Theres more punk roots than metal).

I've read a few reviews on their page and THIS song comes from their most "metalic" album.Strange how people here easily reject Bordeline HARD ROCK/HEAVY METAL bands and at the same time EASILY accept ALTERNATIVE (Is that metal genre?) sounding HardCore.

If you feel a band is in the Archives while it shouldn't be then there is an appropriate thread where you can mention this. If you give a clear explanation to why and how then the moderators will view what you have to say and if they think it is valid then the band will be removed.
Just go here: http://metal-archives.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=65721

I've been searching in the search area forum, and I still can't understand why Soulfly is not here... theya aro not a Nu metal band, Omen is like a Groove-thrash... a lot of users ask for it.. and usually don't get an answer..

Hello, I've made a search on the forums and found out that the avant-garde metal band Pin-Up Went Down was rejected based on this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTLWAkgXqC4
saying this:


Well, I'd like you to review your point of view by listening to this song from the same album: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGesv7ditfc
and tell me where's the nu-metal in that straight-up death/doom song. And then, if possible, listen to the whole "2Unlimited" album and notice the thrashy, doom and gothic metal parts in it. Nu-metal is just one of the many elements they mixed with metal in that album.
If it still gets rejected, then I'd like to read your reasons and I'll be quietly off to my business and won't bring up the topic again.
Thanks in advance

It is not predominantly metal. An album has to be predominantly metal for the band to be accepted. One metal song will not make it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTLWAkgXqC4
And complaining about the rejection on youtube and last.fm will only makes us to not take you seriously, it will not help you at all.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRIYqOK7 ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qEzKNhD ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6upYh9i4 ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD-jWD5c ... re=related
4 other songs, none of them was predominantly metal. There is no chance the album would be metal enough.

WTF??? I don't even have a last.fm account!
You seem to be mistaking me ¬_¬
Anyways, it's ok, I just wanted to know your reasons and be sure you were not discarding a band by mistake.
All hailz trve metal! XD

EDIT: anyways, you're very right on not taking me seriously, even I don't do so myself XD

I don't think that argument holds in this case really, Witcher. Since they are obviously an avant-garde band, I think it would be more reasonable to look at what the album is rooted in. And that is, no doubt, metal.
This band sounds more metal to me than Fantômas do, that's for sure.
Of course, that is just my opinion.

That is not an argument, that is a decision to be respected. Read the first post, please.

The album is not predominantly metal, no matter what it is "rooted in".

You should pay attention on ho the bands are accepted and to the guidelines.

The music of this band is a mix of diverse non-metal genres as techno, jazz, funk and so on and more agressive guitar parts, which mostly sound like Slipknot and Korn. That is not metal.

I've submitted a band 3 times. All three times it's been rejected because of a lack of information (no discography or no proof of existence).

2 physical releases and a myspace link aren't a discography and proof enough of existence for you? Come on! I included the two releases all three times. I even included cover images the last two times and release and track lengths the third time. I may have forgotten the myspace link the second time, but I know I included it the first and third times. Why does this keep being rejected? What is going on and what am I missing if a demo, a full length album, and a myspace page with 4 sample tracks aren't enough to prove the band exists and has released an album and is in fact a black/death metal band as I said in my submission and states clearly on their myspace page?!

Read the first post in this thread. Myspace alone does not prove anything about a physical release.

Maybe not, but the sample tracks prove they're a metal band, the page itself proves they exist as a band, and the tracklist and cover images I provided prove a physical release. It even says on their myspace that they recorded the full length due to the success of their demo, implying that both releases exist. If I took a fucking pic of myself holding them up with a sign saying "I <3 Metal-Archives", would THAT bloody well prove it enough?

Honestly, if providing proof of a physical release isn't providing proof of a physical release, how does anyone prove that a band whose albums aren't available in any major (or minor) distro and whose albums are released independently in releases of a few hundred and sold only at their shows even has a physical release? Are you saying that if a band's album isn't available from any online distro it simply doesn't exist? That's absurd, but if that's what you ARE saying, perhaps you should include that clause in your requirements. However, if that were the case, there are a few bands on the site that should be removed, including Damned Grave, Hunger (Can) and Hand of the Horsewitch. I know all three of those bands and I have their CDs as well and I know that their albums are also not available from any distro and are only sold at their shows. How do you justify saying that there is no proof that the band I am submitting has released anything physical? If a scanned image of the cover of the Damned Grave, Hunger and Hand of the Horsewitch CDs is good enough to prove that those albums exist, why is it not good enough for the band I'm trying to submit? I have the CDs in my possession and I can assure you they exist and I'm not the only one who possess a copy of each of them.

I have told you to read something. So do it instead of arguing:




3. Evidence

If you submit a band, it's your task to provide the mods with evidence. A band's MySpace page or MP3s uploaded somewhere will work well as evidence on the metalness, but the problems usually encountered concern the existence of a physical release. A good quality digital photograph of a CD and a case is a good way to provide evidence (here is an example), as is a distro list distributing it or a mention on a label website. If you opt for the photograph, upload it on an image hosting website (ImageShack, TinyPic...) and include the link to the photo in the additional notes of your band submission. Reviews on respectable and well-known websites are acceptable, too. However, a crude band website mentioning a demo casually, with no information on the format, no links or email addresses for ordering it, no cover art, or cover art that does not seem convincing (bad photoshops, MS Paint, etc.) are not enough. The required amount of evidence is decided by the moderator, and the evidence must be supplied by the submitter.

Five Finger Death Punch, while complete shit, are groove metal on their first record.

I haven't listened to the new record, but I can't imagine why the band would be removed for just the new record.

5FDP are pretty much Panterrible/Machine Head worship taken to new (bad) extremes, but still groove metal.

So why were they removed?

Too nuch nu-metal/alternative based. They certainly did not sound exactly like Pantera.

A mod's opinion on this?

I still fail to see how providing scanned images of their album covers (which I wouldn't be able to scan if they didn't exist) isn't enough proof that the album exists, but fine. I'll take yet another fucking picture and resubmit the band. Ridiculous. I swear, if it doesn't get accepted this time, I'll write the entire band review and acceptance process off as whimsical and arbitrary.

Alright, my band Desolator got rejected because of lacking proof of physical demos. Here's three pics proving that we have existing physical demo/demos.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i266/ ... C06796.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i266/ ... C06795.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i266/ ... C06794.jpg

Would it be alright to re-submit the band now and get an approval based on the data I entered before?

Put those links into the additional notes of your submission. While it probably would have been preferrable to see the inside of the CD cases, technically those pictures should be good enough. I'd try submitting it like that, but if you're the timid type feel free to wait for a mod response here.

Alrighty, I'll wait for a mod. So additional notes doesn't get on the page if it's submitted? I thought it was something like that. So it's just info for the mod who's looking at the submission?

Additional notes do go on the page, but when they include info that's only necessary for the submission process the mod who approves it deletes that part.

Resubmit it, also include a link to soundsamples.

Great site guys! Been coming here for years. I'm writing to get "The Judas Syndrome" (a thrash metal band from NYC) approved. I read the rules and also searched to find a reason for rejection and came up empty handed.

1. Releases - Yes, titled "Underneath Blood Skies" released on 4/20/10 and is available on CD and also as digital download on iTunes, Amazon, Zune, etc.
2. Metalness - Undoubtedly! check it out: www.myspace.com/thejudassyndrome
3. Evidence - check out the above myspace or go right to the merch store at http://merch.thejudassyndrome.com/
4. Side-projects - this is not a side project

Additionally these guys are formerly from other bands that have been listed on this site (Afflitus, Irate, Fast Eddie).

Thanks guys! Looking forward to your reply.

They are on the rejected list because their music is predominantly -core and not metal.

Why was Vulgar Displays of Perversion rejected.

I think the moderator didn't notice the thing properly..
Check in the discography section..last one..it is clearly written demo 2010 available as pro-CD-R.

Here's the link again:
http://www.myspace.com/vxdxp

The music sounds like grindcore/industrial with hardly any metal elements - unacceptable.

I apparently didn't post enough information in my resubmission, so I am correcting that and resubmitting. To make sure my bases are covered here's the physical proof.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak- ... 3060_n.jpg

Thanks,
Bob

This objection makes no sense to me, or leads me to believe the mod didn't bother to listen to the music.

'Not metal; does not belong. It misses completely agressive guitar riffs.'

Or are they trying to say that by default do we not count as metal since it's two bass players and no guitar players?

http://www.myspace.com/bridesmaiddoom

We take our time getting to most of them, but given that bands like Sunn 0)) are considered metal by you guys I didn't think that was an issue.

The music lacks any agressive guitar riffs and therefore cannot be metal. The music on myspace could be considered anything, for example just stoner rock.

Bands are judged individually so do not bring up Sunn O. They are no measure for other bands.

um, that music lacks any aggressive guitar riffs like most drone stuff. So what you are saying is the process is arbitrary?

Most drone stuff is not metal, either. The only thing you need is to read the first post in this thread. It has no sense to argue. The band can be reconsidered later, if they release something actually metal sounding, at best with real guitars.

The process is arbitrary, you guys have bongzilla and weedeater in here but object to stoner riffs being thrown in.

No band sound exactly the same as another one. There is also no machine to determine what sound metal and what not. A human being must do that. Stop arguing and read the first post and the guidelines. It does not work in the way, that because one bband is here another must be too. The matter are not stoner riffs but, the general lacks of metalness in your music and the lack of agressive metal riifs. Now respect the decision.
Both bands named by you use real guitars.

No, because it's wrong. The shortest and I would imagine therefore easiest to peruse song is full of metal riffs.

edit**

If you aren't going to list it, just stop giving me bullshit reasons is all I ask.

The band will stay rejected. The reasons I have told you are the real reasons. if you still do not get it , your problem. You can diosagree, but it will not change the decision.
Read the part about not arguing about decisions as I have told you. It is the first post in this thread

I'll argue about whatever I damn well please, and not read the post while I am at it.

The reasons are invalid, give me a valid one.

If you will not respect the written rules, you will be prposed for a ban. Valid reasonf for you.

Now go away. If you will start again, copunt with consequences- that is what was written in the first post, which you choose to ignore.

I disagree with Witcher that metal needs to have "aggressive" riffs (I hear nothing aggressive in Black Sabbath), but metal certainly does not metal riffs. What you have on your MySpace sounds like downtuned stoner rock, no more metal than Queens of the Stone Age.