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GreenHammer66
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 4:38 am 
 

Hello, I am speaking on behalf of my band This Eternal Cold. In the past I submitted my bands Ep, it was denied (rightfully so), but since then we've released a full length and I felt it could be accepted. I tried re-submitting the band with updated info an our new album, but it said the band was blacklisted and lead me here. Is there no way to re-submit a denied band?
Thank you, I appreciate your time.

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 5:35 am 
 

The reason for the blacklisting was that the EP (or whatever was out in October 2013) was judged more hardcore than metal. If you want us to reconsider this decision based on a new album, please provide links to samples for said release.
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GreenHammer66
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 6:26 am 
 

Here is a link to our most recent release: https://thiseternalcold.bandcamp.com/album/winterust

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Addamned
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 11:55 am 
 

Hi, just had a band rejected because I rather foolishly forgot to show that the CD was for sale. It's available here:

http://striga.bandcamp.com/album/pendle

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 12:22 pm 
 

GreenHammer66 wrote:
Here is a link to our most recent release: https://thiseternalcold.bandcamp.com/album/winterust

You can submit the band.

Addamned wrote:
Hi, just had a band rejected because I rather foolishly forgot to show that the CD was for sale. It's available here:

http://striga.bandcamp.com/album/pendle

Hm, I assume you just now updated that Bandcamp page (or did I miss it the first time?)? Does the CD version have any sort of limitation? Or is it on demand?
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Addamned
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 12:38 pm 
 

Yeah, I'd not published it because I'm a muppet. I've made up 50 CDs but will print more in the rare event of actual demand.

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 2:31 pm 
 

Restored.
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OM YAKU SACHA
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 4:07 pm 
 

I want add a band, called Bassasel of Ecuador, but exist a message that say the band is in black list, why?, i need add this band

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Derigin
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 4:11 pm 
 

No reason is listed, which would suggest it has been on the blacklist for a while. Do you have proof that the band released at least one unambiguous metal album (samples and proof of release)?

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GreenHammer66
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 5:58 pm 
 

I attempted to submit it again, and it was still blacklisted.

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 6:09 pm 
 

Sorry, try again.
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GreenHammer66
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 6:38 pm 
 

Thank you for your assistance. I appreciate your time.

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Crossripper
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 8:55 pm 
 

proof of evidence from Demon Destroyer (Colombia)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adXD1aI ... e=youtu.be

http://imgur.com/tUy19IN
http://i.imgur.com/XkE9MLS.jpg

demo track list:

1. Satan's Strings
2. Pure Fucking Armageddon
3. Evil Has No Boundries
4. Black Metal
5. Death Machine
6. Insane Attack
7. Outro

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sh0wn0mercy
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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2014 12:14 am 
 

Why has "Chainsaw To The Face" been blacklisted?

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OpsiusCato
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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2014 12:23 am 
 

Crossripper wrote:
proof of evidence from Demon Destroyer (Colombia)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adXD1aI ... e=youtu.be

http://imgur.com/tUy19IN
http://i.imgur.com/XkE9MLS.jpg

demo track list:

1. Satan's Strings
2. Pure Fucking Armageddon
3. Evil Has No Boundries
4. Black Metal
5. Death Machine
6. Insane Attack
7. Outro


My fucking god... Are you serious? This is exactly the kind of physical proof that really doesn't count as physical proof. It counts as a joke, at best.

EDIT: Definitely, a joke. As amateur as it gets... Guitar Pro metal doesn't count as Metal.
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lord_ghengis
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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2014 5:06 am 
 

That art looks like Subrick's tattoo.
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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2014 6:36 am 
 

sh0wn0mercy wrote:
Why has "Chainsaw To The Face" been blacklisted?


The blacklist note says it's Powerviolence.
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Muhammadabbadabba
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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2014 10:54 am 
 

I'm aware His Hero is Gone has been blacklisted for a few years, but no one has apparently asked why. Is it not sludgy enough to merit inclusion?

Fifteen Counts of Arson:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=346c4Dt1gmg

Monument to Thieves:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdGE8fFtmwc
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sh0wn0mercy
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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2014 7:35 pm 
 

theunrelentingattack wrote:
sh0wn0mercy wrote:
Why has "Chainsaw To The Face" been blacklisted?


The blacklist note says it's Powerviolence.


CTTF is also very much a Death Metal/ Grindcore band. Is it possible to life the ban?

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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2014 8:13 pm 
 

sh0wn0mercy wrote:
CTTF is also very much a Death Metal/ Grindcore band. Is it possible to life the ban?


Provide some links here to an album that is more along those lines and the mods will consider it.

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sh0wn0mercy
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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2014 9:24 pm 
 

theunrelentingattack wrote:
sh0wn0mercy wrote:
CTTF is also very much a Death Metal/ Grindcore band. Is it possible to life the ban?


Provide some links here to an album that is more along those lines and the mods will consider it.

Thanks


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgQL2-SOOi8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFVR2zYe4dk

http://chainsawtotheface.bandcamp.com/album/self-titled

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Arkeyn Steel Gallery
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2014 5:32 am 
 

Provide some links from UTHULL here to listen, rejected because dont know if its metal or not, of course its instrumental progressive fusion but with members from metal bands!
Thanks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAPkaT_N4_Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvLwKJtkWhM

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EthicsOfDeath
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2014 8:22 am 
 

Hello Guys !

Please I want to know why is Blasphemyth (Morocco) is blacklisted ?

Regards

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2014 3:05 pm 
 

@Muhammadabbadabba: I'll report back to you about that.

sh0wn0mercy wrote:

I'm not hearing any death metal in these. Powerviolence/grind sounds about right, if these are representative. Of the punk-based kind. Not metal.

Arkeyn Steel Gallery wrote:
Provide some links from UTHULL here to listen, rejected because dont know if its metal or not, of course its instrumental progressive fusion but with members from metal bands!
Thanks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAPkaT_N4_Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvLwKJtkWhM

Well yeah, that ain't metal and I don't see why it would constitute an exception either. Correct me if I'm wrong, but none of these artists or their other bands seem especially notable.

EthicsOfDeath wrote:
Hello Guys !

Please I want to know why is Blasphemyth (Morocco) is blacklisted ?

Regards

They were reported as fake and upon closer inspection there was insufficient evidence of distribution/releases, apart from general dubiousness. We'd need to see some airtight proof for a physical or valid digital release at this point. Several of your other bands were deleted for similar reasons and -as you might have observed- you and your other account got banned because you tried to evade the blacklist (even succeeded in one instance, but that has been remedied since).
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EthicsOfDeath
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2014 8:04 pm 
 

Excuse me sir.
We insist on the legitimacy of the band & on it's contribution to the metal scene, at least the local one. Please can you give me what sort of evidence do you have against it. I mean how did you came to the conclusion that it is "fake".
We invite you to go to our myspace. Over there you'll see the physical evidence & you can listen to our music as well. You can also purchase our music via bandcamp. The whole stuff is original 100 %. & we have recorded one cover from Righteous Pig.
I didn't try to evade the blacklisting. but I was trying to interact with somebody about it. to have some feedback on the blacklisting.
By this post, we wish to put forth our appeal to reconsider the band's legitimacy. We hope you'll considere our case seriously
Mettalikk regards. Stay sikkkk

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2014 7:01 am 
 

EthicsOfDeath wrote:
Excuse me sir.
We insist on the legitimacy of the band & on it's contribution to the metal scene, at least the local one. Please can you give me what sort of evidence do you have against it. I mean how did you came to the conclusion that it is "fake".
We invite you to go to our myspace. Over there you'll see the physical evidence & you can listen to our music as well. You can also purchase our music via bandcamp. The whole stuff is original 100 %. & we have recorded one cover from Righteous Pig.

How many of those tapes are there in circulation? Can you link to any third-party source mentioning them, maybe even selling them?

There are no purchase options on Bandcamp, not even streams, btw.

Some of your submitted bands have been reported by a user called MASTER BLASTER BLASPHEMER. You can see the most recent one here: http://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/475849 However, we didn't simply delete the bands because he said so, but because considering his reports the evidence for releases provided was re-examined and found insufficient. If the bands are legit, it shouldn't be too hard for you to provide more information and they may be restored.

EthicsOfDeath wrote:
I didn't try to evade the blacklisting. but I was trying to interact with somebody about it. to have some feedback on the blacklisting.

You submitted the band as "Blasphemyt". I don't see how this is "trying to interact", especially considering that you've been given a link to this very thread many times before that (and also when you tried to resubmit Blasphemyth under the correct spelling). Blacklist evasion is a bannable offense, it says so pretty clearly in a bright orange warning box when you try to enter a blacklisted band name. I'm aware you sent me an email before that, but you already dodged a blacklisting before that with Filophobia (submitted as Filophobya). You were also caught trying to fake a release before, namely attempting to pass off an Iron Maiden tape with a crudely-drawn inlay as another band's demo release. So cut the crap.
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hyzpups
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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2014 1:15 pm 
 

I try to submit at 'metal-archives' the band called 'The KillerHertz' but my request was denied... WHY!!!

The band ‘The Killerhertz’ is a side-project of members other true metal collectives such a: SATURNUS, GOTHIC DOMAIN, USIPIAN !!!
There are all submitted at respected resource metal-archives.com!!!
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Saturnus/3540
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Got ... ain/100943
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Usipian/9881

This project contain even more ‘metal’ than other side projects who are also submitted…
For example side projects of ex-SATURNUS guitar player Kim Larsen (Of the Wand and The Moon & The Loveless):
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Of_ ... Moon/15767
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/The_Loveless/8252

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2014 2:19 pm 
 

hyzpups wrote:
I try to submit at 'metal-archives' the band called 'The KillerHertz' but my request was denied... WHY!!!

The band ‘The Killerhertz’ is a side-project of members other true metal collectives such a: SATURNUS, GOTHIC DOMAIN, USIPIAN !!!
There are all submitted at respected resource metal-archives.com!!!
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Saturnus/3540
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Got ... ain/100943
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Usipian/9881

This project contain even more ‘metal’ than other side projects who are also submitted…
For example side projects of ex-SATURNUS guitar player Kim Larsen (Of the Wand and The Moon & The Loveless):
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Of_ ... Moon/15767
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/The_Loveless/8252

Seems none of musicians were active in any of these bands when The KillerHertz was founded in 2011, so it's not really a side-project. I don't think any of these bands/musicians are really notable enough for an exception anyway. (Except Saturnus maybe? Don't know really them. Let the record show that Usipian kick ass, though!). But yeah, most importantly this isn't a side-project.

We've been thinking about deleting Of the Wand and the Moon for a while now. Too many random side-projects have been accepted in the past. The clean-up is still ongoing.
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hyzpups
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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2014 2:57 pm 
 

Just listen (is much more 'metal' then 'hard rock'):
http://www.thekillerhertz.dk/audio.html

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2014 3:17 pm 
 

hyzpups wrote:
is much more 'metal' then 'hard rock'

Then why did you submit it as "Hard Rock"? :P

I did listen to it before rejecting it. The five songs up are somewhat metal, but seem rock-based. *shrug* Other moderators welcome to chip in.
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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2014 3:30 pm 
 

Guys, sorry! This is my first 'submit'! if I am mistaken at 'Genre', PLEASE let me submit this band one more time! I have already change the 'genre' on Melodic Metal...

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Azmodes
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What you put in the genre field doesn't really matter in the end. What the band sounds like does. And I already reviewed the band and what I heard didn't sound like it was predominantly metal. Substituting "rock" for "metal" in your submission doesn't magically change this. Now, you can ask for another staffer's opinion here, but the band will stay blacklisted for the time being.
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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2014 6:40 pm 
 

I just listened to the Killerhertz samples and I agree with Azmodes' assessment.
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jekks
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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2014 6:43 pm 
 

I am not really phased by it but I had a rejection for my group black priest for not being metal... Later went on to check if Om were on here (which they are) because we sound pretty similar to them, a lot of our conceptual approach to playing is similar (ie rooted in indian and middle eastern culture... except I studied classical music and use the framework in the composition of pieces)

Anyway, just curious to know why Om is acceptable and we not?

I will not post links to the music before anyone asks, the mods can answer this.

Also curious as we are currently in the studio writing, if my next album passes whoever's gatehouse for "what is metal" does that mean that my other album, which has just been rejected, can go up because the band's finally accepted?

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sh0wn0mercy
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Azmodes wrote:
@Muhammadabbadabba: I'll report back to you about that.

sh0wn0mercy wrote:

I'm not hearing any death metal in these. Powerviolence/grind sounds about right, if these are representative. Of the punk-based kind. Not metal.

http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Hu ... ace/332796 I think you should reconsider seeing as how the HOD split is up their and Chainsaw is just as much a metal band as Hummingbird of Death is.

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picrard
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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2014 3:48 am 
 

case: After Jesus(German)
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Aft ... 540381786#

Oh my god :-(

I wanted to go to bed now, for a couple(1 or 2)of hours sleep after night ..
but as I read this email before going to bed about the rejection of my requested band AFTER JESUS...
i was pissed off that I can't sleep :-(

why is this so hard ?? .. there are so many bands here with incomplete and unreleased records ...
e.g.: Haradwaith (one Demo only/four Songs(20min????), one unreleased full length "The band also recorded the "Creating Hell" demo in 2009, but is not released yet due to the band was not satisfied with the quality of the songs."
... "

Unreleased, I mean that we have never sold one of these CDs. Do you remember 1994 ??? Did you have had an CD- Burner at that time (maybe an expensive stand alone)??? I think no, I had my first one in 1997, when the band was split up. So we had one release, but it was only on a music tape and not on CD, does this might be o.k. ??? But the cassettes where all sold out, we had not enough of them, maybe 20 to 50 pieces, I don't remember well ???

PHYSICAL RELEASES: http://250kb.de/u/140530/j/WqVLBhWfXSiB.jpg and http://250kb.de/u/140530/j/9bVtfxvNZXjw.jpg
I just have one copy of the second edition, the first one is not mine. Is that o.k ???

DIGITAL-ONLY RELEASES: No, it's not only a digital-only, but If you want to listen to it check myspace or facebook:
http://www.facebook.com/nachjesus/app_1 ... 385?ref=ts
http://myspace.com/afterjesus

and we where no bedroom band, we had many concerts with bands at that time in the north of germany,
which are in your register like:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Riff_Raff/2669
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Gimcrack/49609 (ohh there the first demo tape is missing:-) )
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Fin ... ased/47843
to call just 3 of them....

Look we where between 14 and 20 years old and it was a better time for metal than nowadays!!!!
I miss these good old times!
When I played with Twisted Harmony, it was a way easier to distribute CD-R, copied by them self,
only the cover art was printed in a professional copy shop.

Hope this might be O.K.

Thank you!!!

cheerz

alex

And we where true Metal !!!! :
https://myspace.com/afterjesus/video/af ... 4/14822949

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Cursarion
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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2014 11:11 am 
 

picrard wrote:
why is this so hard ?? ..

Exactly! You yourself wrote in your submission that neither of the releases were released. That's why your submission was rejected. We can't accept a band which hasn't released anything. So which way is it, has After Jesus released something or not?

Sorry, but it isn't our fault you're losing sleep over this. What we need is clearly stated in the rules. Namedropping bands which are included in the Archives is pointless - if your point is they shouldn't be included if your submission is excluded, please go to the other topic here and we'll gladly remove them if we find they don't meet our requirements.

And you could've toured all of the world twice, but if you haven't released anything, we won't include you.
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picrard
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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2014 12:40 pm 
 

Cursarion wrote:
but if you haven't released anything, we won't include you.


remember my last post:

picrard wrote:
So we had one release, but it was only on a music tape and not on CD, does this might be o.k. ??? But the cassettes where all sold out, we had not enough of them, maybe 20 to 50 pieces, I don't remember well ???


The cassettes looked the same as our CD cover!!! And where the same length as the first CD : 37:19 min

So, what's up? Yes or No??

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Cursarion
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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2014 12:54 pm 
 

picrard wrote:
Cursarion wrote:
but if you haven't released anything, we won't include you.


remember my last post:

picrard wrote:
So we had one release, but it was only on a music tape and not on CD, does this might be o.k. ??? But the cassettes where all sold out, we had not enough of them, maybe 20 to 50 pieces, I don't remember well ???


The cassettes looked the same as our CD cover!!! And where the same length as the first CD : 37:19 min

So, what's up? Yes or No??

So you released like 20-50 tapes? Why did you say it was unreleased then?

And there is a CD edition which was never released? What did you do with the CDs then? o.o
You put 2010 as year for flabbergast extended. Was that when the CDs were printed?

So, this already looks more promising.

Edit: I think there's something lacking in our communication. Please describe the situation of the band and the releases clearly and coherently so we don't misunderstand.
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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2014 3:52 pm 
 

O.k. so it was also a misunderstanding from my side.

When we recorded the CD in 1995 we had the dreams to release a little production of our recordings.
But at this time we had not much money and it was very expensive to press compact discs,
and at time we had no cd burner. So we had not the money to release it.

Our plan was to copy the cd on a cassette and publish it this way,
and everybody of us had to copy the CD(we only had one master cd this time) in turns
to cassette tapes. I have created the cover of the CD and we have fitted it to the
cassette cover, which had not included lyrics, just a list of thank greetings.
And so we took this bunch of cassettes to our concerts after the recordings in the studio.

For us it was very essential to sell some tape to the fans and people in the crowd,
especially for the concert with Paragon
we also played our second gig with Finally Desceased
but the crowd was poor and some other little concerts, where we have sold approximate 20-50 tapes, maybe 40 I don't know,
and also some of them for promotion.

So the tapes went to people we don't know. Just people who came to the concert and wanted to buy a tape,
our friends got just a copy of our CD, you know they ask you: "Can you copy me your cd?".

So I hope you are now satisfied.

This is the reason why I did wrote "unreleased" and I have forgotten that we had this tape action.

The second one was my fault, I have produced it (mastered it at home and copied the extra tracks on it),
in hope that we will join one time, but I think I can forget it, the drummer is unavailable, and Tilly has no time,
or doesn't want anymore... so that's the story.. not the whole but much of it !!!

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