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Progmetal1337
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:15 am 
 

MutantClannfear wrote:
Progmetal1337 wrote:
Hi,


I tried to add the band "Letters From The Colony".
I got an error that the band is blacklisted.

I am just kindly going to ask if the band can be unblacklisted, so I can create that page? :)
There are some members from In Mourning and October Tide in that band :D

Here is some proof that the band is legit, Nuclear Blast etc:

https://www.nuclearblast.de/en/label/mu ... olony.html


Hoping to get a reply :)

The label is not the issue (nor is it ever a matter of consideration). The band was blacklisted in 2014 for not being metal per MA’s standards. If they’ve released something new since then that you think is more in line with the website’s guidelines, feel free to bring it up in this thread.


Thank you for replying!
They released an album February this year.
Here is a song from that album:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0T_jNdtQAbo

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:24 am 
 

Progmetal1337 wrote:
Thank you for replying!
They released an album February this year.
Here is a song from that album:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0T_jNdtQAbo

Best Regards

I listened to several songs from the album. There are definitely metal sections/influences, but I think the majority of the music is still non-metal djenty chug patterns and breakdowns. Sorry.
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According to the band's official Facebook, Obsydians (ex-Sybreed) will only record and release singles (about three per year) in digital format only. Although they are eligible for the Archives in terms of how metal they are –they follow exactly in Sybreed's footsteps–, does this trait make them acceptable?


Hmmmmm, that is a bit of a conundrum. The three singles should add up, it isn't like the are just random tracks of a single release out of order. They have been submitted before but were rejected 'cus the user didn't provide proof of release. I would say submit them and the mods will have the discourse on them then.


Thank you. I submitted the band and await the mods' decision.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 12:53 pm 
 

Posting this here since I did it in the wrong thread :durr:

Hi,

I was wondering if I could re-submit the band Old Love, it was rejected a few years ago with the following message:

"While the "Perversion" EP seems to be leaning towards post-black metal, the first EP is certainly post-hardcore. Given that they're both rather short digital-only EPs, I don't think this is currently acceptable based on this output. There certainly isn't a complete, predominantly metal album."

Given that the rules have changed a bit, I would like to know if their 5 track EP Perversion can make them eligible to be accepted. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:55 pm 
 

Does this requalify Lagras (Germany)?

https://lagras.bandcamp.com/album/nebel
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:22 pm 
 

First off, sorry if this post is in the wrong place, I have no idea how the forums work. I suggested Mick Gordon (the guy behind the DOOM 2016 soundtrack among others) and was rejected for being "too djenty". Is there a reason Djent isn't allowed here? I can understand not allowing it as a listed genre and folding it under progressive metal or something, but I'd say this is still undeniably metal.

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MrCooliopants wrote:
First off, sorry if this post is in the wrong place, I have no idea how the forums work. I suggested Mick Gordon (the guy behind the DOOM 2016 soundtrack among others) and was rejected for being "too djenty". Is there a reason Djent isn't allowed here? I can understand not allowing it as a listed genre and folding it under progressive metal or something, but I'd say this is still undeniably metal.


Djent generally isn't considered to be metal by most metalheads. True prog metal and djent are usually completely different. That being said, I'm not a mod and have never listened to the artist in question, so I have no authority in the matter.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:49 pm 
 

EzraBlumenfeld wrote:
Does this requalify Lagras (Germany)?

https://lagras.bandcamp.com/album/nebel

This link doesn't work; the album isn't public.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:22 pm 
 

MutantClannfear wrote:
Progmetal1337 wrote:
Thank you for replying!
They released an album February this year.
Here is a song from that album:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0T_jNdtQAbo

Best Regards

I listened to several songs from the album. There are definitely metal sections/influences, but I think the majority of the music is still non-metal djenty chug patterns and breakdowns. Sorry.


Thank you for your anwser.
I think that it is wrong to see Letters as not metal. I see Djent containing that core vibe to it,
Letters From The Colony to me has much more death metal feeling in the riffs, surely they play odd time signatures and have some clean jazzy bits.
But the riffs is different from the normal djent band, they color their chug with small riffs that are not hipster highschool boy, but more aggresive and more authority in the riffs.
I would say that they are a progressive metal band, but yes of course if you don´t like odd time and low tuning, I understand that you label bands djent when they have these 2 elements.

Thank you for anwsering my request.


Cheers

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:09 pm 
 

Progmetal1337 wrote:

Thank you for your anwser.
I think that it is wrong to see Letters as not metal. I see Djent containing that core vibe to it,
Letters From The Colony to me has much more death metal feeling in the riffs, surely they play odd time signatures and have some clean jazzy bits.
But the riffs is different from the normal djent band, they color their chug with small riffs that are not hipster highschool boy, but more aggresive and more authority in the riffs.
I would say that they are a progressive metal band, but yes of course if you don´t like odd time and low tuning, I understand that you label bands djent when they have these 2 elements.

Thank you for anwsering my request.


Cheers

It's not a question of what we "like", it's a question of where we trace the line. The consensus is that we don't think djent qualifies as metal. This goes for the doom soundtrack and that Letters band.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:36 pm 
 

With the updates to digital-only submission, I'd like to inquire again about Hope Deferred (USA, death metal/metalcore). It was rejected for "short, digital-only demo". I don't know that the new rules will still cover it, but for reference, the full release is at https://hopedeferred.bandcamp.com/
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:47 pm 
 

Azmodes wrote:
Enlightening.

anaturaldisaster wrote:
I often agree with the choices that are made regarding bands with a core influence being rejected, but I do think John XII deserves a reappraisal. The rejection note acknowledged that they were "borderline", but I feel that the first song on the record (while still in my view more metal than hardcore) is somewhat misleading as to their overall sound and may have played a role in the final decision.

For examples of clearly leaning overwhelming towards metal, I would recommend the following specific songs for consideration.

https://johnxii.bandcamp.com/track/freak-occident

https://johnxii.bandcamp.com/track/pilates-pillory

https://johnxii.bandcamp.com/track/scuttled-skeletons

I would say that the album as a whole is predominantly metal but these songs are particularly clear examples of lacking nearly any hardcore influence besides the dissonant elements of the breakdowns. All of their songs generally progress in a fluid manner with riffs relating and building on each other, a foundation in melodeath even some black/death parts with a fair amount of blasting, and typically no more than one "breakdown" per song (most of those utilize metal riffing as their starting point as well) Beyond one gang vocal section and extremely sparing used background vocals I don't see there as being much influence in that department either. Thanks in advance for giving it another go!

Well, I was the one who originally rejected them. Still don't know how to feel about it. Perhaps other staffers can share their thoughts.



Just wanted to follow up on this as it has been a few weeks. Looking forward to hearing from the other staffers!

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:51 pm 
 

@anaturaldisaster

Derigin and I think that the hardcore side is more prevalent than the metal influences.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:41 am 
 

I've a question about blacklisting. I'm trying to submit our artist, Misanthropic Aggression, and received a notice that they are blacklisted.

Their EP, Inability to Cope, is available at Spotify, Napster, etc. In addition, the tape was released yesterday. You can judge their metalness here.

I would appreciate any light that you could shed.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:15 pm 
 

Was Red War blacklisted just because of its actual probability of REALLY being from NK?

Despite the overall unlikeliness of its real origins, it has a valid release and sounds like metal.
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Progmetal1337
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 4:15 pm 
 

Metantoine wrote:
Progmetal1337 wrote:

Thank you for your anwser.
I think that it is wrong to see Letters as not metal. I see Djent containing that core vibe to it,
Letters From The Colony to me has much more death metal feeling in the riffs, surely they play odd time signatures and have some clean jazzy bits.
But the riffs is different from the normal djent band, they color their chug with small riffs that are not hipster highschool boy, but more aggresive and more authority in the riffs.
I would say that they are a progressive metal band, but yes of course if you don´t like odd time and low tuning, I understand that you label bands djent when they have these 2 elements.

Thank you for anwsering my request.


Cheers

It's not a question of what we "like", it's a question of where we trace the line. The consensus is that we don't think djent qualifies as metal. This goes for the doom soundtrack and that Letters band.


Yes of course, I understand that djent is not qualified. What I don´t understand is that you say that it is a Djent band. It is a Progressive metal band with some djent bits.
But okey I understand that you have another view of djent than me. Like periphery and tesseract are definition of djent, there is absolute no procentage of death metal flavour in the riffs.
Letters are death metal but add the lower tuning and some odd timesignatures and it makes them djent.

Thank you for your time, I shall not complain anymore.

Best regards

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 5:16 pm 
 

Boris Records wrote:
I've a question about blacklisting. I'm trying to submit our artist, Misanthropic Aggression, and received a notice that they are blacklisted.

Their EP, Inability to Cope, is available at Spotify, Napster, etc. In addition, the tape was released yesterday. You can judge their metalness here.

I would appreciate any light that you could shed.


Not metal.


Peyp wrote:
Was Red War blacklisted just because of its actual probability of REALLY being from NK?

Despite the overall unlikeliness of its real origins, it has a valid release and sounds like metal.


No real proof of release. This sounds metal, I'll remove it for proper evaluation.
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Why was Opticleft from US blacklisted?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:18 pm 
 

cepit wrote:
Why was Opticleft from US blacklisted?

Blacklisted in 2017 for being more (technical) -core than metal.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:08 pm 
 

Erosion of Humanity wrote:
Boris Records wrote:
I've a question about blacklisting. I'm trying to submit our artist, Misanthropic Aggression, and received a notice that they are blacklisted.

Their EP, Inability to Cope, is available at Spotify, Napster, etc. In addition, the tape was released yesterday. You can judge their metalness here.

I would appreciate any light that you could shed.


Not metal.


By way of clarification, is that an historical judgement or a re-evaluation based on the new release? The band obviously has strong crossover impulses and I’m not sure what genre to sort them into. But, if an historical judgement, I would offer songs like “Herd Rejector” or “Prove Yourself” for consideration.
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"If the band has a physical release, please resubmit and let us know!"
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:59 pm 
 

Erosion of Humanity wrote:
Peyp wrote:
Was Red War blacklisted just because of its actual probability of REALLY being from NK?

Despite the overall unlikeliness of its real origins, it has a valid release and sounds like metal.


No real proof of release. This sounds metal, I'll remove it for proper evaluation.


Ehhhhhhh... if you don't count this release as valid then I think I'll leave it be... I think this is the only release they ever made. Thanks anyways.
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^He means you can submit it to the queue to be evaluated because it’s been removed from the blacklist.
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Cheers man, please resubmit.
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Can Wolfbrigade be reconsidered based on their latest album that was released last year? Mind you, I agree their previous output has been quite crusty and not very metal, but this new one is very heavy and metallic-sounding. Judge for yourself:

https://youtu.be/ubz_Z5O6tPY

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Boris Records wrote:

By way of clarification, is that an historical judgement or a re-evaluation based on the new release? The band obviously has strong crossover impulses and I’m not sure what genre to sort them into. But, if an historical judgement, I would offer songs like “Herd Rejector” or “Prove Yourself” for consideration.


Blacklist was very recent so yeah, it took the new material into consideration.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 11:30 pm 
 

I was ignored when I posted this recently, I just wanted to reiterate the question. Thank you.

TexanCycoThrasher wrote:
Attempted to add Painboys from Seattle earlier this year (i think), I was told they were not metal enough at the time, they have new material and I'd like to see if it is "metal" enough for a resubmission?
https://welovepain.bandcamp.com/album/ritual-torment

Thank you for your time.

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TexanCycoThrasher wrote:
I was ignored when I posted this recently, I just wanted to reiterate the question. Thank you.

TexanCycoThrasher wrote:
Attempted to add Painboys from Seattle earlier this year (i think), I was told they were not metal enough at the time, they have new material and I'd like to see if it is "metal" enough for a resubmission?
https://welovepain.bandcamp.com/album/ritual-torment

Thank you for your time.

It sounds sightly more metallic than Demo 91'. Please resubmit.

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Why is The Omega Sequence blacklisted? Seems like Progressive Metal, are the clean vocals and riffs too varied?

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RoughfishingBrutality666 wrote:
Why is The Omega Sequence blacklisted? Seems like Progressive Metal, are the clean vocals and riffs too varied?

Blacklist note states djent, from last month.

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TexanCycoThrasher wrote:
I was ignored when I posted this recently, I just wanted to reiterate the question. Thank you


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My submission for the band spellbound (Swe( was rejected, because I should allegedly "provide proof, that the album was actually distributed". I have provided both song samples from the Youtube site of their former Bassist Hakan Fransson and the entry on the band and its demo cassette in the FWOSHM, which is managed by Overdrive guitarist Jaanne Stark and is therefore a very correct info. The entry features also a cover scan of the demo hand drawn cover. I I repeat, a SCAN of their demo cover. So I do not understand, what should those additional stipulation be? Thery are nearly impossible to fulfill, since the demo was sold out years ago and the band is not active? Why should a band rlease an elaborate demo with hand drawn cover fratureing some halberds , a shield and over it the band logo to not rlease it publicly? To paraphrase the rules"to give it to the penguins in Antarcvctis? http://www.fwoshm.com/index/S/1487-spel ... al-maniacs
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Storm of the Light's Bane wrote:
Blacklist note states djent, from last month.


Very well, was only asking because of the tremolo picked riffs and blast beats, but they aren’t super prevalent. Thank you for your quick response.

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Storm of the Light's Bane wrote:
RoughfishingBrutality666 wrote:
Since the updated rule on digital releases, is my submission for Writhe acceptable now?

Blacklisted for being more -core than metal, not a release length issue.

EDIT: Ah, I see, you previously submitted them but they were rejected due to release length issues, and later blacklisted due to musical issues. Nonetheless, the blacklist note says it's too -core and from a quick listen, I agree. Sounds mostly like chugs/breakdowns.



Cool, I’ll resubmit if their full-length has less prevalent breakdowns.

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Hi, I recently submitted a page for Plague(USA thrash metal from Petaluma California) and it was rejected for being more punk than metal. I was hoping you could give this song a listen, it is a bit more metal sounding than the song you guys reviewed. Here is a link to the song.

https://plaguethrash.bandcamp.com/track ... -the-flesh

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deathrashingdeath wrote:
Hi, I recently submitted a page for Plague(USA thrash metal from Petaluma California) and it was rejected for being more punk than metal. I was hoping you could give this song a listen, it is a bit more metal sounding than the song you guys reviewed. Here is a link to the song.

https://plaguethrash.bandcamp.com/track ... -the-flesh

Since the whole demo is on bandcamp (and you linked to every song in your submission anyways), we already listened to all the songs before rejecting it. The demo as a whole is simply too punkish to be acceptable at this point.
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Hello there!! Is there the possibility of having this band whitelisted (Ragana)? I find incredible calm and at the same time really heavy riffs, accompanied with glorious and depressive vocals
https://ragana.bandcamp.com/album/you-take-nothing-2
I saw there's a split with Thou.
https://ragana.bandcamp.com/album/let-o ... -with-thou
But Ragana is blacklisted. Is there a possitibily? Thank you all.
PD: I find this band really similar to Forgotten Tomb, instantly I searched it on metallum to find "similar bands" and well.. Also I remember an Italian band with this type of atmosphere and vocals.
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Doesn't really sound predominantly metal to me.
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I would like to request for white list "Scarlet Aura". They released new album "Hot'n'Heavy" (digitally - now, physically in December with Sliptric Records".
Available on Spotify, iTunes etc. The reviews state the album as mix of Power Metal, Speed metal, very non-traditional Female-fronted melodic metal. So please reconsider. Thanks!

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Hi folks, can anyone explain why a band called "Scarlet Aura" (Romania) is blacklisted. The forum search gave no results. Thanks!

Blacklisted in late 2016 for being predominantly Rock-based. Have they released anything since?

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 4:56 pm 
 

DrTES wrote:
I would like to request for white list "Scarlet Aura". They released new album "Hot'n'Heavy" (digitally - now, physically in December with Sliptric Records".
Available on Spotify, iTunes etc. The reviews state the album as mix of Power Metal, Speed metal, very non-traditional Female-fronted melodic metal. So please reconsider. Thanks!

The iTunes samples all sound metal enough to me, whitelisted.
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