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Vadara
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2019 5:29 pm 
 

How can something be riffless slam when a slam, by definition, is a metal riff?

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2019 6:14 pm 
 

To make things go faster, here is the new Ashed album:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XeVZ1A7nOM

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2019 3:12 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
Could Chaotic Resemblance be whitelisted on the basis of their 2018 album "Covenant"?
The album is much heavier than their past releases, with more consistent metal riffing. It is similar in style to Slave To The Grind by Skid row or to the more recent heavy metal albums by Styper like "No More Hell To Pay". http://www.christiandownloads.com.br/20 ... lance.html

My question was left out on previous page, so I am reposting it here in hopes of finally getting an answer.

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TheLoneForest
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2019 11:27 pm 
 

Hey, sorry to bother again, but I had asked about my friends band Churchacide. The mods whitelisted it, and someone took the band and uploaded it before I could and now it was removed from MA. What happened

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 2:51 am 
 

TheLoneForest wrote:
Hey, sorry to bother again, but I had asked about my friends band Churchacide. The mods whitelisted it, and someone took the band and uploaded it before I could and now it was removed from MA. What happened


The band is still waiting in the queue, it was not removed yet.https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ch ... 3540452835
I have reported the situation to the mods, so they can take action. Of course you have the privilege to submit it, because you have aked first.

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ᴎostalgiʞK
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 12:43 pm 
 

Bumping this again for the 6th time... May I have an answer people? Thank you :)

ᴎostalgiʞK wrote:
Hi there folks, I didn't find a thread about this band, so I wonder why Necrosodomistical Slaughter is blacklisted, what do you think? Too borderline, riffless? Give it a shot :)

https://necrosodomisticalslaughter.band ... -stupidity

https://thehillsaredead.bandcamp.com/al ... s-split-ep

(the other release VHS Terror is not worth a shot to be evaluated)

PD: Subhuman Hordes seems to be most punky riffless grindnoise, isn't it?
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Erosion of Humanity
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 2:22 pm 
 

For starters both those links are broken
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 3:29 pm 
 

Here is the full necrosodomistical slaughter album Progressive Stupidity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1JLIa08p2E
Official Banddcamp: https://necrosodomisticalslaughter.bandcamp.com/

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TheLoneForest
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 4:56 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
TheLoneForest wrote:
Hey, sorry to bother again, but I had asked about my friends band Churchacide. The mods whitelisted it, and someone took the band and uploaded it before I could and now it was removed from MA. What happened


The band is still waiting in the queue, it was not removed yet.https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ch ... 3540452835
I have reported the situation to the mods, so they can take action. Of course you have the privilege to submit it, because you have aked first.


Alright sweet. I could have sworn it was accepted, then taken down. Anyways, Ill add it, if you could just remove that one from the queue, so there isnt a duplicate. Thanks!

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 5:08 pm 
 

You will have to wait for the staff to do that , since I am not a moderator. But I have drawn their attention to the report, so they will take care of it sooner or later, you don't have to worry.

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Midnight Rider
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 8:04 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
You will have to wait for the staff to do that , since I am not a moderator. But I have drawn their attention to the report, so they will take care of it sooner or later, you don't have to worry.

Done. Go ahead, TheLoneForest

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lostinchaoszine
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 11:13 pm 
 

I tryied to upload a band with a link of a pishical release photography
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Cr ... 3540445350

A phisical release proof, made in Sadist records, you can see it here, please check the label for this release it
https://web.facebook.com/SRjogjakarta

http://oi64.tinypic.com/2s8ffax.jpg

http://oi66.tinypic.com/50h3kn.jpg

http://oi67.tinypic.com/eilgky.jpg

http://oi65.tinypic.com/bfnrxt.jpg

http://oi67.tinypic.com/63yn2v.jpg

http://oi63.tinypic.com/5pq3x1.jpg

Can you accept it now?

If you dont believe it you can ask to the label's Facebook

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0th
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 11:43 pm 
 

File a report on the band page. Make sure to include these links, and also provide audio samples.

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MutantClannfear
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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 8:52 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
I have noticed , that Cock And Ball Torture were deleted yet again. Before their deletion, was the album "eEgoleech" taken into consideration? That album is imo mid-tempo , groovy death metal and not punkish geindcore The vocals are of the pornogrind/goregrind style, but the riffing iis not and the vocals should not determine the metalness of the release, isn't it so? So please, here is the full album: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKiiIi1ihTM

Here are some reviews: https://yourlastrites.com/2004/07/14/co ... ch-review/
http://www.disagreement.net/reviews/coc ... leech.html

Whitelisted (again). Not a guarantee, but got enough yeses to give it a shot in the queue. This will be the third time the band has had to be submitted to the Archives. :lol:

ᴎostalgiʞK wrote:
Bumping this again for the 6th time... May I have an answer people? Thank you :)

ᴎostalgiʞK wrote:
Hi there folks, I didn't find a thread about this band, so I wonder why Necrosodomistical Slaughter is blacklisted, what do you think? Too borderline, riffless? Give it a shot :)

https://necrosodomisticalslaughter.band ... -stupidity

https://thehillsaredead.bandcamp.com/al ... s-split-ep

(the other release VHS Terror is not worth a shot to be evaluated)

PD: Subhuman Hordes seems to be most punky riffless grindnoise, isn't it?

We're discussing this right now.
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2019 9:16 am 
 

Thanks for the whitelisting of CBT. I have already submitted them (again).
can also somebody answer my question about the band Chaotic resemblance, which I have reposted here? Thanks.

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MutantClannfear
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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2019 9:57 am 
 

@Necrosodomistical Slaughter: Whitelisted based on the album Progressive Stupidity. Submit with links to that album.
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ᴎostalgiʞK
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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2019 8:30 pm 
 

MutantClannfear wrote:
@Necrosodomistical Slaughter: Whitelisted based on the album Progressive Stupidity. Submit with links to that album.


Thanks as always Mutant! I'm making the entry right now :)
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ᴎostalgiʞK
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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2019 8:32 pm 
 

May be reconsidered Six Brew Bantha for revaluation?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJ1QD-z3vcI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L6_Zrmxh0c

EDIT: I know I'm a little stone in the shoe with grind stuffs...

Esker threads were from 2017

The split with Graveolence was from 2018: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B96udl0ucmQ
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Goatfangs
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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2019 9:49 pm 
 

I argued for Agonia from Portugal to be whitelisted on the basis of their second demo, since it has riffs throughout the release. It is not "mostly drone/ambient".

I was sorta successful, it was whitelisted, so I submitted it. But I just found out the submission was rejected anyway.

https://warproductions.bandcamp.com/album/wpt069

Listen again. It is metal. May I resubmit?
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PaganiusI
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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2019 2:12 am 
 

Goatfangs wrote:
I argued for Agonia from Portugal to be whitelisted on the basis of their second demo, since it has riffs throughout the release. It is not "mostly drone/ambient".

I was sorta successful, it was whitelisted, so I submitted it. But I just found out the submission was rejected anyway.

https://warproductions.bandcamp.com/album/wpt069

Listen again. It is metal. May I resubmit?

Not sure I listened to the right album, their bandcamp page is a mess... eternally sorry for that :/ . Submission restored and you'll get a few points.
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Goatfangs
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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2019 12:07 pm 
 

PaganiusI wrote:
Not sure I listened to the right album, their bandcamp page is a mess... eternally sorry for that :/ . Submission restored and you'll get a few points.


Thanks!

Yeah, everything just has the catalog number as the title.
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2019 12:40 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
Witcher wrote:
Could Chaotic Resemblance be whitelisted on the basis of their 2018 album "Covenant"?
The album is much heavier than their past releases, with more consistent metal riffing. It is similar in style to Slave To The Grind by Skid row or to the more recent heavy metal albums by Styper like "No More Hell To Pay". http://www.christiandownloads.com.br/20 ... lance.html

My question was left out on previous page, so I am reposting it here in hopes of finally getting an answer.


Now, can I please finally get a response to my question? It is really tiresome to have to repeatedly post the same question every week.

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honimadoom
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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2019 1:46 pm 
 

Please consider eliminating Nous temps from the blacklist, given an error you put a style that did not correspond, it is already modified thanks

Nous Temps -Flor de Otoño

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OpsiusCato
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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2019 2:16 pm 
 

honimadoom wrote:
Please consider eliminating Nous temps from the blacklist, given an error you put a style that did not correspond, it is already modified thanks

Nous Temps -Flor de Otoño

Blacklisted in March 2018 for being mostly non-metallic "Shoe Metal". Have they released anything since that warrants a reevaluation?
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raspberrysoda
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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2019 4:07 pm 
 

Could Today is the Day be reevaluated according to Animal Mother?
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2019 5:00 pm 
 

Today Is The Day - Animal Mother full album:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBvl5wJJroo

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Helvede
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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2019 5:54 pm 
 

raspberrysoda wrote:
Could Today is the Day be reevaluated according to Animal Mother?



How is this one different to their other albums? Sound like any other their hardcore/mathcore albums.

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raspberrysoda
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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2019 1:49 am 
 

It's more sludge metal than hardcore. Check out the title track for example
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TexanCycoThrasher
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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2019 3:05 am 
 

I wanted to re-try this since I haven't made a stab at it since my initial attempt

BigHand//BigKnife from Denton, was rejected for not being metal enough for the site, while their under their previous name Plunge they were metal enough.
Here's a couple songs to see if that is still the case by the site's standards
https://bighandbigknife.bandcamp.com/track/wolfvision
https://bighandbigknife.bandcamp.com/tr ... urger-spit

I appreciate your time.

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joecubbie
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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2019 3:21 am 
 

Why is Wizzy Blaze from Sweden blacklisted? Based off their 7 inch and demo, they sound melodic heavy metal/hard rock.
"So Many Days": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDRi0fHBAXQ
"Too Far to Reach": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoAIb8bjgPM
"Witchdance": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp9oMZN3H48

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2019 3:57 am 
 

joecubbie wrote:
Why is Wizzy Blaze from Sweden blacklisted? Based off their 7 inch and demo, they sound melodic heavy metal/hard rock.
"So Many Days": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDRi0fHBAXQ
"Too Far to Reach": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoAIb8bjgPM
"Witchdance": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp9oMZN3H48

I was the one who originally submitted them and they were deleted couple of months ago at my request for being hard rock. The removal was based on exactly the three songs, which you have posted. You can find the mod's answer and reasoning here, somewhere: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=65721&p=2845709#p2845709
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Wizzy_Blaze/28056

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MutantClannfear
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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2019 12:40 pm 
 

raspberrysoda wrote:
It's more sludge metal than hardcore. Check out the title track for example

We had two other mods (aside from Helvede) listen to it. I definitely hear the sludge in it myself, but I was still iffy and another mod was leaning no. Probably best to hold off for now.

EDIT: a third mod chimed in and acknowledged the sludge influences but thought it was still predominantly noise rock. That's comprehensive enough of an assessment to close the case on them for now, methinks.
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meowsophy
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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2019 7:34 pm 
 

Hi, why was 'Those Who Lie Beneath' (USA) blacklisted?

https://www.facebook.com/thosewholiebeneath/

Samples:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/an-aw ... /363547986

This too is the same band despite a different name: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSnUxHVg3kQ

(My guess is too metalcore, but according to a moderator it was blacklisted in v1 when supplying reason was not possible. So it would be appreciated if the band is re-evaluated.)

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Lord_Of_Diamonds
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 10:39 am 
 

I tried searching for it, and I was surprised to see that no one has questioned Unlocking the Truth's blacklisting. So I will question it now.

Predominately clean vocals, basic song structures, and midrange tempos ≠ un-metal.

Yes, the songs "Monster" and "Free As You Wanna Be" from their album "Chaos" have a very predominant hardcore influence, but the rest of it has metal riffs and metal elements and can be considered groove metal/metalcore. IMO.
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PaganiusI
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 10:57 am 
 

Lord_Of_Diamonds wrote:
I tried searching for it, and I was surprised to see that no one has questioned Unlocking the Truth's blacklisting. So I will question it now.

Predominately clean vocals, basic song structures, and midrange tempos ≠ un-metal.

Yes, the songs "Monster" and "Free As You Wanna Be" from their album "Chaos" have a very predominant hardcore influence, but the rest of it has metal riffs and metal elements and can be considered groove metal/metalcore. IMO.

Blacklisted as Nu-Metal/Core in 2016. Feel free to prove us wrong.

meowsophy wrote:
Hi, why was 'Those Who Lie Beneath' (USA) blacklisted?

https://www.facebook.com/thosewholiebeneath/

Samples:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/an-aw ... /363547986

This too is the same band despite a different name: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSnUxHVg3kQ

(My guess is too metalcore, but according to a moderator it was blacklisted in v1 when supplying reason was not possible. So it would be appreciated if the band is re-evaluated.)

Seems rather riffy to me, whitelisted.

TexanCycoThrasher wrote:
I wanted to re-try this since I haven't made a stab at it since my initial attempt

BigHand//BigKnife from Denton, was rejected for not being metal enough for the site, while their under their previous name Plunge they were metal enough.
Here's a couple songs to see if that is still the case by the site's standards
https://bighandbigknife.bandcamp.com/track/wolfvision
https://bighandbigknife.bandcamp.com/tr ... urger-spit

I appreciate your time.

Sounds pretty core-based to me actually.

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Witcher wrote:
Witcher wrote:
Could Chaotic Resemblance be whitelisted on the basis of their 2018 album "Covenant"?
The album is much heavier than their past releases, with more consistent metal riffing. It is similar in style to Slave To The Grind by Skid row or to the more recent heavy metal albums by Styper like "No More Hell To Pay". http://www.christiandownloads.com.br/20 ... lance.html

My question was left out on previous page, so I am reposting it here in hopes of finally getting an answer.


Now, can I please finally get a response to my question? It is really tiresome to have to repeatedly post the same question every week.

Still pretty Hard Rock-ish. Don't think it's quite there yet. And re-posting it every second day isn't making us wanna work on it, just be patient ;)

ᴎostalgiʞK wrote:
May be reconsidered Six Brew Bantha for revaluation?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJ1QD-z3vcI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L6_Zrmxh0c

EDIT: I know I'm a little stone in the shoe with grind stuffs...

Esker threads were from 2017

The split with Graveolence was from 2018: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B96udl0ucmQ

No.

That should've cleaned up the leftovers, I think?
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 12:05 pm 
 

Thanks for the rreply on cahotic Resemblance, even if I do not agree with it. Just tome kae things clear , is it the final word on it tthe album for now, or will it be judged also by multiple mods in the next few days?
ITo make things clear, I would not repost it so often if i did not have negative experiences with having to repost overlookded stuff in the pppast. of ccourse, I would be able to wait several days for the response, but if the days become weeks or even moths, it is quite problematic , don't you think?
AS II suggestion, I would propose to have a "moderator on duty" who would monitor the ssituation in this thread and give other mods brief preliminary reports about recent activities and question s of the users, so the othermods wold nknow, wwhat awaits them, and prepare their answer without the need to hurry. This duty moderator could also mark the user questions aas being worked on, similar to the "possible additions" thread What do you think about this idea?

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Erosion of Humanity
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 12:11 pm 
 

Fucking stop. We deal with shit when we have the chance and will to do so.
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 12:34 pm 
 

Yes, rudeness and display of power is the best reacction to constructive ccriticism, which was backed by argumets, not profanities. I stand by my words, the large waiting times are uunpleasant nd often furstrating not only for me , but also for other users and something should be done to change it. Oof you demand uunderstanding and empathy from users towards your you work, I can fully understand that, but you should also show some possible understanding and empathy for the situation of users, who often wait whole weeks or months to get and anwser, which is not alwayss positive. Do you also in real life resort at shouting and insulting at your discussion opponent, when he says and argument, which you do not want to hear ?
The "shit" you talk about are questions of real people made of flesh and blood, not just some anonymous nicknames and those people have their feelings, worries and plights, too. what makes you think you stand so high above them?
I have described a real, llong lasting prproblem, whic needs a solution. I have even proposed a possible solution, a fact, which you have obviously missed. Of course, you do not have to adapt it, I can't force you. but you can't deny, that the problem is real, long lasting and would need to be resolved somehow.


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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 12:35 pm 
 

PaganiusI wrote:
Blacklisted as Nu-Metal/Core in 2016. Feel free to prove us wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRyxN8OOwsI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4wusukmXHU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWtu9EfKBEg

Just a few songs. Core, yes, maybe, but nu-metal? Definitely not.

Some music is just universally classified as a genre, you know. “Musical influence” be damned; metal is an ever-changing genre and why should it continue to be defined by the same narrow characteristics? Unlocking the Truth is unanimously classified as metal, even though they might not draw all their influence from what you consider “metal”. Musical characteristics alone don’t define a band. Soundgarden is on this site, and they are unanimously considered a grunge/alt rock band. Doom metal my ass! If we don’t accept the fact that metal can develop new characteristics and be modernized, then the genre will never move forward as much as it can.
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 2:02 pm 
 

Witcher, why is it every time we ask you to do something that you don't just do it, and instead insist on arguing with us?

You need to understand, dude, that we are volunteers and this is a hobby for us. We work on MA because we enjoy it, not because it's a job to us. On that note, while we do take great strides to be friendly and transparent with our userbase, we are not beholden to them. Nobody can make demands of us. Nobody is entitled to immediate gratification. We do not operate with a "customer is always right" mentality; we operate by doing what is best for the site when we can get around to doing it. That means, as a user, we ask for your patience, your respect, and your understanding. We're not here to flaunt some imaginary power or to score Internet points. Besides, MA is not going to disappear anytime soon; it will be here well into the future. Patience is key, and when we do need help we will ask for it. I respect your suggestion, but at this present time we feel we have the resources to keep MA running smoothly as is.

There are a couple others things I want to note:

First, I'm dismayed that following Paganius' very polite response to your repeated and excessive bumping of the band you wanted us to review, that your reply isn't just a polite "thank you" but one which has conditions attached to it that are honestly a little insulting to him and the rest of us. It's OK to provide constructive criticism, but your reply wasn't that. Your reaction was to essentially ask for the opinions of other mods for a "final word" - insulting to the mods that did look at it - and to offer up a suggestion complaining about how long it took us to reply to your band (a total of 11 days with 4 bumps btw). It's certainly not the longest a person has had to wait for anything, but you also don't see those users repeatedly bumping their posts and complaining when they do not get an immediate response right away.

Maybe one of the reasons mods take their time in replying to you is that they don't look forward to engaging you. They don't look forward to fighting you. This is normal social interaction; when you expect the person you're talking to is going to react negatively to you, for whatever reason, you're not gonna be inclined to deal with them again. I'm sure you make Paganius (and the rest of us) really eager to respond to you in the future by criticizing him and the rest of us in response. Besides that, it's also a waste of time. I could be working on the queues and answering others users' queries instead of feeling obligated to reply to your complaining.

Second, and I think this is important too, while we will handle every request given to us you must understand that not everyone is jumping at the chance to listen to yet another shitty Christian hard rock band. We will. We'll get to it when we can. Maybe it's wrong for us to not be so gung-ho to listen to such bands. Maybe it makes us elitist or whatever. But, and to stress again, while we WILL get to it, do not expect immediate gratification. This is made worse when doing so requires multiple steps, or lots of our time, or the information we need is buried in paragraphs of unnecessary filler. Listening to borderline junk is not fun or enjoyable, but it is our duty to do so for the benefit of making this site more complete and we're spending our free time doing this. We recognize that. We hope our users recognize that. We also hope our users understand that they must have patience for us to do that task, and that patience means that they may need to take a breath, sit back, and relax while we do the tough work of reviewing their submissions and requests.

You of all people should understand this, man. You were once one of us. You've been here. And so give us some slack, will ya?
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