Yeah it was at the Von show. Whether you count this as self-releasing the album I don't know, but it was through their own label and sold to the general public, so it should meet the criteria.

The photo I used on the release page itself shows the physical vinyl rather than just the cover, to answer Witcher's point. Are you saying you need a larger resolution version to verify?

You need now to provide the soundsamples.

oh man, who just deleted it again whilst we were trying to sort this out?

You have submitted it again with no samples. The submission was again missing them.
Somebody told you to resubmit it without the needed proof? I do not think so.

Are you reading any of my posts at all? The first one I made said I had re-submitted it. That was before you even said that this specific submission would need fine-tooth reviewing from a moderator. You'd think that the decent thing to do would be to leave it in the queue whilst I tried to sort out some audio for you, right?

Now, about that USB turntable you're buying for me....

No, since the submission contained no samples.
And if you do not provide the samples, the band will not be accepted, so the sarcasm is really out of place.

Yeah, whatever. I think you're misdirecting your modding powers personally, but there you go.

There doesn't seem to be much question of the submission being inappropriate, only incomplete. The constructive thing to do would be to leave it pending until I could sort some more proof out for you.

Submission without the needed proof cannot be accepted.

And stop talking about abuse of powers, when you are not able to comprehend our basic rules.
They clearly talk about soundsamples.
Don't you think, that I as a moderator know the rules better than you?
One more thing - stop with the accusatory tone. You have no right to complain. It is only your fault, when you do not read the guidelines.
As for the band - either provide the songsamples and include them in your submission, first then you can resubmit, or leave it be, since theband will not be accepted without them.

The reason I said that was not to hurt your feelings, but to point out that it was unnecessary to delete the resubmission whilst we were sorting it out.

The rejection email which I received did not ask for audio samples so, if it was sent by you, that was an oversight for a start. So then I resubmitted, came to this thread, and made my first post. Only at that point did you then say that this submission would need closer scrutiny and audio samples: something that I know for a fact you do not require for every new band added.

So then I am trying to get a productive conversation going here with Fanfarigoule and - to a lesser extent - you, when you go and delete the resubmission before I even have a chance to send more stuff!

The way I see it, a mod should make constructive decisions and delete inappropriate content, whilst seeking to add information to incomplete submissions. You didn't do that, which is why I made my previous comment. It was not a personal attack, as this is the internet and I do not know you personally.

Anyway, I might get around to taping some of the sounds a bit later on if nobody has done so beforehand. But it will be a short audio recording using my phone and it won't be an entire track, so I hope that is not a problem.

It is not up to mods to search for proofs, it is up to users to provide it.
Quote from here:
http://www.metal-archives.com/board/vie ... 85&start=0
"The required amount of evidence is decided by the moderator, and the evidence must be supplied by the submitter."


When you do not have them, you cannot submit the band.

You are talking about being constructive, yet you are making sarcastic remarks about soundsamples.

The submissions wich lack the needed info will be always rejected, there is no special category of iapropriate submissions.


In short, you cannot resubmit a rejected a band with the same info as the first submission, you will have to wait for our decision.

That could be a problem, since we need samples of the whole release.
But it is the first step, we will listen to it.

What you are asking for is illegal. That cannot be site policy, surely? I can do a maximum of <30 seconds without infringing copyright laws, as far as I know.

This actually is the site policy. Read the first post in this thread I have linked. The samples are deleted after the review and not posted on the band's page.

30 second samples can be enough, when they are convincing.

How about finally reading the submission guidelines, which I have posted the link to, instead of constant wondering about the system?
All is explained here:
http://www.metal-archives.com/board/vie ... sc&start=0

2. Metalness

The second requirement is more difficult to assess as accurately as the existence of a physical release, but the staff here mostly knows what is metal and what isn't. Mistakes do happen, and if you are absolutely certain a mistake has been done, show us the band's music and we'll listen. Do not argue the decisions. This thread is a court of appeals, not a shouting match. If you act rudely and/or refuse to accept the decision, you might get banned. And provide samples, otherwise it will not lead to anything.

3. Evidence

If you submit a band, it's your task to provide the mods with evidence. A band's MySpace page or MP3s uploaded somewhere will work well as evidence on the metalness.

I cannot find the bit that says you need uploads of entire releases. Where can I find that part?

It is not written there, but a band needs at least one predominantly metal release to be accepted and so it is the only way to determine it.
It do not have to be full songs, but the samples need to be long enough to prove that the band's style is acceptable.
There is noneed to argue further, simply provide them and we will review them.

I rejected your submission last night (about 1:00 AM EDT) and distinctly remember mentioning the need for audio samples in the rejection message, referring specifically to the tribal metal tag you used to describe the genre.

what about Mortal Hatred? why is it not allowed to add them? They ve got a Ep Release and so I dont see a problem, some hardcore influences but mostly metal?

as mama_kantholz is saying here, there was some user who wanted to add mortal hatred before they finished their EP, so that they were rejected. but now the ep is out, available and can be bought by everybody^^

Resubmit Mortal Hatred with proof of physical release.

should be submitted

Von Venien re-uploaded with sample recorded in mono. I double clicked the complete button for the release though and it appears twice on the page. If a moderator could delete the one with the screwy capital letters, that would be great.

I'm wondering why this band here was rejected: http://www.myspace.com/alasdestructor

Their newer material is definitely metal. Sort of thrash/death, I guess.

No metal song on their myspace.

I tried submitting two bands; Inner Makam and Floating Worlds.

I submitted one release with each; the email I recieved says...



I submitted a demo for one band and a full length for the other, each had album artwork as well.

There was no missing "required" information I submitted.

Can this be reversed? Why did it not receive the info I entered?

Thank you in advance.

http://www.metal-archives.com/board/vie ... 85&start=0
Read the first post about needed proofs.
You need to prove, that a band has a physical release and plays metal.

Are you referring to Alas, Destructor?
http://www.myspace.com/alasdestructor
"Laser Beam God" and "Honey, I Destroyed The Kids!" are definitely metal.

That is only your personal opinion. A decision was made, so please respect it.

I think you are mistaken, Mr. Wombat.

Well, mostly mistaken. 80% mistaken, definitely. The song "Perpetual Pain" is definitely something I'd consider "nu-metal", even still the song is better described as death/thrash played to a tribal rhythm. I wouldn't be bringing this band from the Philippines up if the other 4 songs on their Myspace (which is the entire "Perpetual Pain" EP) sounded like this song, since that song is borderline leaning toward the non-metal side. However the other four songs are death/thrash to my ears. There is a definite early Sepultura influence - reminds me of their album Arise and Chaos A.D - And on their Myspace you can see they have three videos covering Slave to Pain (from Beneath the Remains), Territory (from Chaos A.D.) and Roots Bloody Roots (for fuck's sake, why? This song is horrible)

Dance Curse of the Annihilator has a tribal part in the middle with bongo sounding drums, but there is a definite thrash riff played along with a guitar solo.

Science is a more mid-paced almost doomy death metal song. .

Anthem of the Dead sounds like it might be another tribal nu-metal song, and it could very well be considered such if only the first minute or so were listened to. But it's another mid-paced death metal song.


So yeah, other than the song Perpetual Pain, the band sounds like Sepultura worship of Chaos A.D. and prior. There are still tribal drums in the other songs but that makes these songs no less metal than the accordions and whatever the fuck in Finntroll's music (for example).

Unless, of course, 80% metal is still not metal enough.

Hello guys i recently put forward a band by the name of GRINDOCAUST the recent rejection states that the band is Not metal. I don't believe this comment is fair could you please tell why you feel that this is perceived as so. I do believe GRINDOCAUST is death/grindcore/metal.

thank you demented26

It is noisegrind and as such not acceptable. Read the guidelines.

I fully respect the rules, so I will try to find "proof" - it should be out there somewhere. I'll read the clause about this.

I take it this is why some of Stijn Van Cauter's projects went MIA on me a while back, some of them had no "physical release" out there anywhere (some of them were probably mp3 releases only)? That would make sense.

Thank you for redirecting me there Witcher, and hope to have found the proof I need. If not, no harm done. I'll keep this in mind when trying to add bands to the database.

Finally, I appreciate the time you put in to say that because I was certainly confused at first. Thank you.

Stijn's side-projects that were not metal were deleted.

What about Cold Aeon? This project is funeral doom and appears on the Infra Sub Ultra split with Cold Aeon, The Sad Sun and The Ethereal.

No, somebody asked about it here with samples and it is ambient too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgKr8a6wSMk

Okay,

It has some guitar but not played in a way that I can hear any distinctly metal riffs (and you ought to know me, I can pick out riffs that are five minutes long) - it was just that Stijn describes this project as "funeral doom" and on Infra Sub Ultra the other two bands are funeral doom as well, so it must be through that association.

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So, how about Kasakit? Is it as I claim, to be 80% metal?

my submission for the gothic/folk metal band „Nindriel“ was just rejected due to the obviously infamous fact, that it contained no proof of any physical release.

i understood so far, that i may link to a review, mailorder... where the album in question is available.

sorry for the maybe noob kind of question, but how do i link to any page, if the „additional notes“-box says „no links“??
also, where may i add sound-samples/photos (...) as proof to my submission? maybe there was some problem with my noscript, so i simply didn't see it. i have 500 copies of the album right beside my desk, so taking a photograph with my mobile should be no problem.

...i'll rather ask here than hacking the whole stuff into the submission page and being rejected twice....

You can add all this stuff in the notes, even the links since they are temporary.
You can also put all this in a separate report, which you can do on the pending band page after the submission.
The links can also be added like regular links, after the submission.

The "no links" should be removed soon, anyway.

ok, i also read this in the first post, but was unsure because of the contradiction.
thanks for your help.

Seems like the Tunisian band Vielikan was deleted. Why?