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RoughfishingBrutality666
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:18 pm 
 

Transcend the Realm should be whitelisted. Yes, the debut release contained more breakdowns than ideal, but their latest full-length is full-on Progressive/Technical Death Metal, clearly influenced by the likes of Necrophagist and The Faceless.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf62TaDTTuc

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Erosion of Humanity
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:34 pm 
 

I dunno, this still sounds mostly like technical/core/wankery to me. I'll put it to the court and see what sayeth they
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RoughfishingBrutality666
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 10:09 pm 
 

Sounds good. I guess I do still hear some breakdowns here and there, but they’re not really the predominant feature anymore. We shall see.

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Erosion of Humanity
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 10:38 pm 
 

It isn't really the breakdowns. You can have breakdowns and still be metal, we do accept some deathcore and there's breakdowns in bdm/slam. It's the riff structure that sounds more in line with prog and mathcore rather than metal. Gonna wait for a few more mods to chime in before I give you a definitive answer.

Edit: mmmkk, it's gonna stay on the blacklist. Enough of us feel it is too far into mathcore/wankery territory.
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Vadara
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:55 pm 
 

Holy shit that is Mathcore on a level even I find kind of hard to listen to. The entire first 30 seconds of that album is nothing but wild noodling.

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Erosion of Humanity
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:58 am 
 

Please keep your opinions and comments of such to yourself and out of this thread. Dont need to make things more confusing or convoluted than they already can be in here.
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ᴎostalgiʞK
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:21 am 
 

Hello again! I asked once for Crippled Fox (Hungary), now the got something new from these November.
https://crippledfox.bandcamp.com/album/ ... -thrashing Still borderline?
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MutantClannfear
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:54 am 
 

ᴎostalgiʞK wrote:
Hello again! I asked once for Crippled Fox (Hungary), now the got something new from these November.
https://crippledfox.bandcamp.com/album/ ... -thrashing Still borderline?

Still more punk than metal overall, aside from the last song. BTW, if you find a band who has a full-length and they’re blacklisted for metalness reasons, they won’t be whitelisted based on a shorter, less important release (especially one that’s 5 minutes long, like in this case). You should only bring up bands like Crippled Fox again if they release something that is 1) a full-length, 2) unambiguously metal.
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ᴎostalgiʞK
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:05 am 
 

MutantClannfear wrote:
ᴎostalgiʞK wrote:
Hello again! I asked once for Crippled Fox (Hungary), now the got something new from these November.
https://crippledfox.bandcamp.com/album/ ... -thrashing Still borderline?

Still more punk than metal overall, aside from the last song. BTW, if you find a band who has a full-length and they’re blacklisted for metalness reasons, they won’t be whitelisted based on a shorter, less important release (especially one that’s 5 minutes long, like in this case). You should only bring up bands like Crippled Fox again if they release something that is 1) a full-length, 2) unambiguously metal.


Got it! Thanks Mutant <3
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lonelylasagna
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:17 am 
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN1lwIS3mcU
https://www.facebook.com/deepervileness
this is definitely black metal,
I think the reason the band was flagged was due to the long ambient intros of the demos
but a debut has finally been released and is straight metal

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lonelylasagna
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:55 am 
 

19dlb92 wrote:
hi
the band deeper vileness was blacklisted.
they released a new demo today.
here is the phyiscal proof:
https://www.facebook.com/SKP666/photos/ ... =1&theater
and the songs:
https://deepervileness.bandcamp.com/alb ... ealms-demo
can i resubmit this?
cheers


I 2nd this vote - they released an EP this week that is straight metal

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Mole666
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 2:57 pm 
 

A band I submitted Catalysis was rejected due to not being metal enough. I disagree but they have since launched a new EP and music video with an updated style.

They play a sound that is Groove metal mixed with death metal/core influences

Heres a Sample of the new sound.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjpa2eXun_M

Links:

https://www.facebook.com/catalysismetal/

https://catalysis.bandcamp.com/releases

https://catalysis.bigcartel.com/

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Goatfangs
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:07 am 
 

I want to make a case for allowing "Light The Torch" - the name Devil You Know goes by now.

But I'm not going to go through the route of "hey... they be metal." - in fact I agree they aren't metal enough for MA.

However, this is more or less the same band as Devil You Know, minus one member, that had to change their name due to legal issues from John Sankey claiming copyright ownership over the name.

I always thought a band is still the same band regardless of what name it goes by, especially if the same core members are writing a similar style of music. The new "Light the Torch" album could easily have been a "Devil You Know" album. It's a departure in sound, but it still contains a lot of the elements that Devil You Know has such as Howard's vocals, the vocals of Howard Jones, and Howard Jones singing words in his unique manner, and some breakdowns.

On the flip side it could be argued that Devil You Know broke up, and ex-band members formed Light The Torch, but that doesn't seem to be the case. The band continued after one guy left. A name change happened out of necessity, some old guy with a gavel made them change it probably. Maybe they should've gone with "Devil You Don't Know" or "Devil, y'know?" but instead they went with "Light The Torch"

If they changed to full alternative melodic emo shoegaze hip hop with "Light the Torch" with no Howard screaming and no heavy riffs or any shred of "Devil You Know", it could be argued that while only one band member left, the band themselves decided to change their identity and sound so dramatically as to become a different band and not even acknowledge their first two albums, abandoning them like Pantera abandoned Power Metal.

But I don't think that happened here. I think Light the Torch still plays Devil You Know songs - especially since the copyright claim was over the name "Devil You Know". Their album still has riffs, solos and such - just not nearly as much. On the flipside, it is called "Revival", and they talk about this being a new start for the band, so that "separate band" argument could be made. And there was a change in sound, no arguing that.

But I still have some theoretical questions...

What if they re-release their first two albums rebranded as "Light the Torch" releases? (okay, that's just one theoretical question)

My proposal might need the creation of a new rule. I know, how dare I suggest such a thing? But it would be very narrow in scope, I think. Maybe even to the point where it isn't explicitly stated, but certain band name changes are quietly allowed in just to serve as continuity for the previous name. Although I can't think of any others.

The current system is fine as well, even if it tugs at my completionist compulsion and that there being a missing album from the Devil You Know / Light The Torch collective corpus annoys my autistic spectrum side. And I am willing to wait and see what else Light the Torch does. Maybe they are going to only play new stuff, leaving Devil You Know in the past entirely.

I dig this music and Howard's clean vocals. I agree it's not quite metal enough for MA though. Definitely not progressive power metal.
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 4:45 am 
 

The American band foghound has released a new album and imo it sounds like regular stoner metal in the style of Sixty Watt shaman and is also reasonably heavier than their last album. Could the band be whitelisted based on this, please: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9qQxa06_3E

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oogboog
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:26 am 
 

Can someone tell me why Sjálfsmorð af Gáleysi from Iceland is blacklisted?

https://sjalfsmordafgaleysi.bandcamp.co ... ate-planes

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Storm of the Light's Bane
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 1:04 pm 
 

oogboog wrote:
Can someone tell me why Sjálfsmorð af Gáleysi from Iceland is blacklisted?

https://sjalfsmordafgaleysi.bandcamp.co ... ate-planes

Blacklisted for being too rough of a release. After a re-evaluation, Erosion, Paganius, and I agreed that it was acceptable, so we restored a previous submission.
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Yeah there are actually four albums' worth of preview tracks dating back to 2010.

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TheDonsz
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 2:35 pm 
 

I wanted to submit the band Hundredth, because it's a hardcore band and I've seen multiple bands that are listed as hardcore on here, so why does mine get rejected and a band like Calligram gets added? Thanks in advance!

Sam

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Storm of the Light's Bane
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 5:07 pm 
 

TheDonsz wrote:
I wanted to submit the band Hundredth, because it's a hardcore band and I've seen multiple bands that are listed as hardcore on here, so why does mine get rejected and a band like Calligram gets added? Thanks in advance!

Sam

Because Hundredth doesn't have any metal releases, unlike Calligram. Pretty simple.
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PaganiusI
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 5:08 pm 
 

TheDonsz wrote:
I wanted to submit the band Hundredth, because it's a hardcore band and I've seen multiple bands that are listed as hardcore on here, so why does mine get rejected and a band like Calligram gets added? Thanks in advance!

Sam

Because Calligram is a mix of black metal and hardcore and more on the metal side of the fence while Hundreth is (using your own phrasing here) Melodic Hardcore (early), Indie Rock (later) without any metal influence.
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 8:25 pm 
 

I have noticed, that the Swiss band Maxwell was blacklisted. maxwell have relased a new album Metalized this year and as the name suggests, the band have turned their style towards more traditional heavy metal with a bit of hard rock, the style can be compared a bit to Shakra imo. Could the band be whitelisted based on it? full album on spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/4sCJAkdZDIFKM6efjZeDf3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn_sJ73UBNs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk3zbE9Ss94
http://maxxwell.ch/
https://hardmusicbase.cz/index.php?stra ... =63349&m=1
http://metalgodstv.com/maxxwell-album-review-metalized/
https://www.metalinside.ch/2018/09/maxxwell-metalized/
http://www.metal-temple.com/site/catalo ... alized.htm

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Midnight Rider
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:50 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
I have noticed, that the Swiss band Maxwell was blacklisted. maxwell have relased a new album Metalized this year and as the name suggests, the band have turned their style towards more traditional heavy metal with a bit of hard rock, the style can be compared a bit to Shakra imo. Could the band be whitelisted based on it? full album on spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/4sCJAkdZDIFKM6efjZeDf3

Just listened the entire thing. It's just modern, "metallic" hard rock for the great part.
There are very few metal moments such as the intro to "Burn" (Five minutes alone?), and a huge tendency for all songs to dwell into poppy straight-forward hard rock choruses.

Thanks, but blacklist stays.

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yaronche
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:44 am 
 

Hi.
Can someone tell me why was "Shiran" from Israel, rejected and then blacklisted?

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PaganiusI
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:51 am 
 

yaronche wrote:
Hi.
Can someone tell me why was "Shiran" from Israel, rejected and then blacklisted?

"Hard alternative rock/core" - 2016

Did they release something new that might change that?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:22 am 
 

Vow
https://vowmcr.bandcamp.com/releases

Is there a reason this band isn't in the archives?
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:33 am 
 

It's not blacklisted. Sometimes something just hasn't been submitted yet. If you think they meet our rules and guidelines, feel free to submit them. :)
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ᴎostalgiʞK
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:16 am 
 

Hi folks, other threads were talking about Lumnos (Brazil) so I don't have to ask why is blacklisted

But on next December 9 this album will be available:
https://lumnos.bandcamp.com/album/the-h ... ingularity

Still shoegaze-black metal borderline?

EDIT: Also is there "Gratitude and Honor (A Tribute Album)"

By the way, is it possible that this band had an entry before?
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joecubbie
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:01 pm 
 

I know Treponem Pal is blacklisted, most likely for being more industrial than metal. But have they been evaluated for their second LP, Aggravation? It sounds like a cross between Ministry and Voivod.
https://youtu.be/Q-NA_75pHUc

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Midnight Rider
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:46 am 
 

joecubbie wrote:
I know Treponem Pal is blacklisted, most likely for being more industrial than metal. But have they been evaluated for their second LP, Aggravation? It sounds like a cross between Ministry and Voivod.
https://youtu.be/Q-NA_75pHUc

There is no specification on the blacklist.

It may be because it sounds more industrial rock than industrial metal and while I agree with the Voivod/Ministry thing I think it only applies to a number of songs and not the whole album. Still, I'm going to whitelist it so please submit and let's see what happens ;)

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TadakatsuH0nda
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:27 pm 
 

Out of curiosity, what does the blacklist note on the Japanese band Roxanne say?

While I understand it's fairly borderline, I do think their 4 song demo tape "Ready to Battle" is generally metal enough to include them on the site: https://mega.nz/#!lJgzzaoS!qig3PS0HeJdN ... 4g67sMSFnE
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Quorthallis
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:34 am 
 

Hi,
Can someone tell me why was Night Crowned blacklisted?
https://nightcrownedblacklion.bandcamp.com/

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:47 am 
 

TadakatsuH0nda wrote:
Out of curiosity, what does the blacklist note on the Japanese band Roxanne say?

While I understand it's fairly borderline, I do think their 4 song demo tape "Ready to Battle" is generally metal enough to include them on the site: https://mega.nz/#!lJgzzaoS!qig3PS0HeJdN ... 4g67sMSFnE

Blacklisted on December 2013 for being more hard rock than metal.
[EDIT]: Supporting the mod decision here. There's only one metal song and the rest are clearly more hard rock oriented.

Quorthallis wrote:
Hi,
Can someone tell me why was Night Crowned blacklisted?
https://nightcrownedblacklion.bandcamp.com/

"Submitted constantly without the release being out."

It was whitelisted. Please go ahead and submit-

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:48 am 
 

Witcher wrote:
The American band foghound has released a new album and imo it sounds like regular stoner metal in the style of Sixty Watt shaman and is also reasonably heavier than their last album. Could the band be whitelisted based on this, please: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9qQxa06_3E

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LiquidxFantasy
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:17 pm 
 

Why was Where The Crows Gather blacklisted?
If this was because they did not have an album under the new name once their changed it from "...and Darkness Follows", now they do have an album:
https://wherethecrowsgather.bandcamp.co ... -ascension

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PaganiusI
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:24 pm 
 

LiquidxFantasy wrote:
Why was Where The Crows Gather blacklisted?
If this was because they did not have an album under the new name once their changed it from "...and Darkness Follows", now they do have an album:
https://wherethecrowsgather.bandcamp.co ... -ascension

No, but because the overall recording/production quality is below listenable.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:51 pm 
 

putrevomitory wrote:
Sub'd Bosoga. Rejected for not being metal. Sounds doom to me.

Link


I couldn’t tell if this inquiry had been replied to or not. In the event it got lost in the shuffle, I also hear doom in this band.

https://bosoga.bandcamp.com/album/ehyeh-asher-ehyeh

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:15 pm 
 

Why was Neurosarcadictoveria rejected/blacklisted? When I submitted it several months ago, I simply got the reply "No."
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Storm of the Light's Bane
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:23 pm 
 

EzraBlumenfeld wrote:
Why was Neurosarcadictoveria rejected/blacklisted? When I submitted it several months ago, I simply got the reply "No."

Riffless pornogrind. Sounds pretty accurate from a quick listen.
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14222
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 6:05 pm 
 

Hello,
I submitted the band Baron Ungern (as Барон Унгерн) from Mongolia and TheStormIRide wrote on the rejection notes that the band was previously blacklisted under its in english name and suggested me to write here if i thought it should be reconsidered.
Since their only release is a black metal EP 16 minutes long with no doubt of metalness i thought it should be reconsidered with the new lenght rule for digital releases.

Here the EP
https://shaitanakbar.bandcamp.com/album/grandkhaan

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mrpsycho
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:58 am 
 

here i'm again.

and wondering, is there rules changed?

there so many bands that are "non-metal", that came from "core" genre.

just put genre name in search:
Deathcore: https://www.metal-archives.com/search?s ... band_genre - 1318 bands
Grindcore: https://www.metal-archives.com/search?s ... band_genre - 4586(!) bands
Metalcore: https://www.metal-archives.com/search?s ... band_genre - 3505 bands

there is even "thrashcore" with 46 bands.

and "Cassandra's complex" is still blacklisted. and nobody cares, that their last single became more METAL, than it was at beginning.

that sucks and totally un understandable situation.

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:59 am 
 

14222 wrote:
Hello,
I submitted the band Baron Ungern (as Барон Унгерн) from Mongolia and TheStormIRide wrote on the rejection notes that the band was previously blacklisted under its in english name and suggested me to write here if i thought it should be reconsidered.
Since their only release is a black metal EP 16 minutes long with no doubt of metalness i thought it should be reconsidered with the new lenght rule for digital releases.

Here the EP
https://shaitanakbar.bandcamp.com/album/grandkhaan

Blacklisting reason was the horrible quality, though considering the context here, this might warrant another look. We'll check it out. Is this actually Mongolian, though, and not just some kind of gimmick?

@mrpsycho
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i believe blacklisting "Cassandra's Complex" is an error.

Deathcore and Metalcore are both hybrid genres. That is, part Metal, and part non-Metal. The bands you will find listed here of those genres are the ones that are deemed to have based their sound mainly in the Metal side of the fence instead of the -core side of it. Cassandra's Complex is blacklisted because it is the kind of Deathcore that is based on the non-Metal side.

Also keep in mind that we generally require a metal full-length, a single is not enough.
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