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TheGrimWombat
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 12:53 pm 
 

Diplomate wrote:
droneriot wrote:
So you're saying a metal band has to sound like Black Sabbath because a gothic rock band has to sound like Sisters of Mercy, so Demilich sounds like Black Sabbath. That just makes no sense. And what you hear and what people tell you doesn't matter, this is just simply gothic rock:

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This Lacrimosa song indeed has gothic rock influence, I agree with you. I would even call this a gothic metal song. But most stuff of them that I heard doesn't sound like this.


If this sounds like metal to you, I'm not sure that you should be commenting on genres, honestly.
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Diplomate
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 3:23 pm 
 

TheGrimWombat wrote:

If this sounds like metal to you, I'm not sure that you should be commenting on genres, honestly.

It sounds like gothic "metal" on the weak side of metal, since the riffing is gothic rock. Listen to Theatre of Tragedy's Aegis, I doubt they would be accepted here if that was their only album. Yeah, I agree that metal was a strong word. Still, this song is one of the more metallic ones I heard from Lacrimosa, they could have a chance to be accepted as gothic metal/rock if they had a whole album that sounded like this.

Being metal or non-metal wasn't our problem, since the bands I discussed are already on this site. I tried to evaluate the amount of gothic rock influence to justify whether they could or could not be called gothic. In my opinion, Lacrimosa don't even deserve to be called gothic rock.

Actually, on second thought, I agree with you, even this song doesn't really deserve to be called metal. I got too carried away about the gothic infuences, since metal archives has a real problem with that.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:31 pm 
 

Metal Asylum wrote:
Metal Asylum wrote:
Ancient:

Should just narrow it down to Black Metal. If an additional tag is needed, you should probably go with Atmospheric- definitely not Melodic. Violins and Female Vocals are scarce and generally build towards a specific gloomy atmosphere, instead of being melody-driven, plus the Vocals themselves are old-school Norwegian Black Metal style.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3pNZtC_h28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehS4lR6ZO5I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8CLgNbS9kw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az_izQxE10w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RhI43gzvGU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBTu_zsDHII
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja3ff1K8zyM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFASGQrpO8o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzETRHzD9wo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ1fcv_vXhk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6YSpzt7Qig
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMMc47l6m7w


Little bump, so it won't get buried on the thread.


I sort of think the genre is relatively fine just due to the type of melodic black metal it was at the time. It sure ain't Dissection type of melodic bm, but Ancient does recall more like 90's Dimmu Borgir and the like, where it was mostly straight up BM, keybaords/atmosphere and the melody wasn't really say like how it was in MDM, more in the terms of the chord changes and the like. I think some more mods would have to chime in on this but I'm sort of fine with how it is atm.

Re: Lacrimosa,

Yeah, just goth rock. This is the wrong thread for it but our general blacklisting decision was that they were just goth rock with metal elements.
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Storm of the Light's Bane
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:02 am 
 

PDS wrote:
Metal Asylum wrote:
Metal Asylum wrote:
Ancient:

Should just narrow it down to Black Metal. If an additional tag is needed, you should probably go with Atmospheric- definitely not Melodic. Violins and Female Vocals are scarce and generally build towards a specific gloomy atmosphere, instead of being melody-driven, plus the Vocals themselves are old-school Norwegian Black Metal style.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3pNZtC_h28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehS4lR6ZO5I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8CLgNbS9kw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az_izQxE10w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RhI43gzvGU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBTu_zsDHII
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja3ff1K8zyM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFASGQrpO8o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzETRHzD9wo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ1fcv_vXhk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6YSpzt7Qig
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMMc47l6m7w


Little bump, so it won't get buried on the thread.


I sort of think the genre is relatively fine just due to the type of melodic black metal it was at the time. It sure ain't Dissection type of melodic bm, but Ancient does recall more like 90's Dimmu Borgir and the like, where it was mostly straight up BM, keybaords/atmosphere and the melody wasn't really say like how it was in MDM, more in the terms of the chord changes and the like. I think some more mods would have to chime in on this but I'm sort of fine with how it is atm.

He's already gotten a no from both Paganius and I + a warning from deri for continuing to push it despite being told no twice.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:20 am 
 

Well, then. That matter is settled.
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Diplomate
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:20 am 
 

PDS wrote:
Re: Lacrimosa,

Yeah, just goth rock. This is the wrong thread for it but our general blacklisting decision was that they were just goth rock with metal elements.

The problem is that they aren't goth rock. Same with all those bands listed as gothic metal on this site, they aren't gothic metal, because what some moderators perceive as gothic rock elements have nothing to do with goth rock.

I reported Tristania, but Storm of the Light's Bane told me their genre is fine, even though they are like 60-70% death-doom and 30% gothic metal. Why are they listed as gothic metal even though they aren't straight up gothic metal? Paradise Lost's Draconian Times is gothic metal, Theatre of Tragedy's Aegis is gothic metal. Now compare these albums to Widow's Weeds or Beyond the Veil and you'll see that they are mostly death/doom. So their correct genre is gothic/death/doom/symphonic metal.

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OpsiusCato
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:14 pm 
 

Diplomate wrote:
Tristania (...) they are like 60-70% death-doom

I'm pretty certain that whatever you think "Death Doom" is, it is not, kiddo.

You kinda sorta remind me of Goatfangs. It is not a good thing by any means.
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Diplomate
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:27 pm 
 

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I'm pretty certain that whatever you think "Death Doom" is, it is not, kiddo.

You kinda sorta remind me of Goatfangs. It is not a good thing by any means.

If the riffs have death metal and doom metal origin, what is it if not death-doom?
If you think these songs have anything to do with gothic metal or rock and are not death-doom, then you definitely have no idea about the genre, kiddo.

Youtube: show

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Now compare that to Draconian Times by Paradise Lost or Aegis by Theatre of Tragedy, which are actual gothic metal albums. Tristania has elements like this, but most of their riffs are death-doom like the first two albums by Theatre of Tragedy or Draconian's albums. If you fail to see this, then you are pretty incompetent.

By the way, what's the deal with such a condescending tone? Trying to compensate for something?

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OpsiusCato
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:02 pm 
 

Nice to see you back, Snappy McSnappington.
Diplomate wrote:
If you fail to see this, then you are pretty incompetent. By the way, what's the deal with such a condescending tone? Trying to compensate for something?

Haha, seems like I touched a sensible fiber here. You really go through life agonizing over stuff, don't you?

Look kiddo, you're positively the first person ever to call Tristania Death Doom in the whole world. I'm quite familiar with World of Glass and I listened to Ashes a lot when it was new, so I know which songs you're talking about, and let me tell you, those are NOT Death Doom. I'd understand if you mistake, say, early Autopsy or even early Incantation with Death Doom, but seriously, Tristania? I'm afraid you're just confirming my original statement. And you seem to be forgetting the basic rules: "Grunts =/= Death" and "Slow =/= Doom".

Now, how can you explain that a band that has NEVER released a Death Doom album has "60-70%" of their discography in that genre?

Again, and I can't stress this enough... You're the only one having this opinion.
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Diplomate
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:46 pm 
 

OpsiusCato wrote:
Nice to see you back, Snappy McSnappington.
Haha, seems like I touched a sensible fiber here. You really go through life agonizing over stuff, don't you?

Look kiddo, you're positively the first person ever to call Tristania Death Doom in the whole world. I'm quite familiar with World of Glass and I listened to Ashes a lot when it was new, so I know which songs you're talking about, and let me tell you, those are NOT Death Doom. I'd understand if you mistake, say, early Autopsy or even early Incantation with Death Doom, but seriously, Tristania? I'm afraid you're just confirming my original statement. And you seem to be forgetting the basic rules: "Grunts =/= Death" and "Slow =/= Doom".

Now, how can you explain that a band that has NEVER released a Death Doom album has "60-70%" of their discography in that genre?

Again, and I can't stress this enough... You're the only one having this opinion.

Well, the person who used this pretty civil discussion to make himself look like an expert and a "daddy" is not me, it's you. If you think I am that much of a noob who has no clue about what he's talking about (with which I won't argue since my aim is not to show how cool I am), you could have respectfully pointed at my errors, but you chose otherwise. What did you expect from me, prostrating before you just because you are a moderator on a metal site? Sorry, but that doesn't work like this. I doubt you are as fast to call people you don't know as kiddos in real life. Next time please be adequate enough not to behave like a 15-year-old teen.

Listen to Widow's Weeds. If you can't hear the doom metal origin of this album, you should resign from your position right now, since it's definitely in the same style as early Theatre of Tragedy and The Sins of Thy Beloved, which are even now labelled as gothic/death/doom or gothic/doom. Or are they not death/doom to you either?

Now for the World of Glass and Ashes. If you don't think these riffs are death or doom, then what are they? If you think these riffs are "gothic metal", then it means they have something to do with gothic rock. Try to tell a fan of gothic rock that these riffs are from gothic rock, they would laugh at you and think that you are completely incompetent when it comes to judging musical genres. You comfortably chose to not notice my passage about real gothic metal, so I repeat again, listen to Aegis and Draconian Times. To think the riffs from the songs I posted and the songs on these albums belong to the same genre is laughable. It's not some secret knowledge, it's just common sense.

So, you probably won't argue these riffs have anything to do with gothic metal. What are they then? What should we label Tristania? You are a moderator and expert here, I'm a simple noob, so please go on and evaluate the origin of these riffs. They are metal riffs clearly, and you are an expert on metal, so could you please tell me what genre of metal do these riffs belong to?

For example the riff of The Wretched at 1:45, is it not doom metal to you? Is it groove metal or nu-metal or what? It's definitely not a gothic metal riff, because it's not even close to the kind of riffs gothic rock has. I admit that 60-70% death-doom was too much, it's more like 20% death-doom, 30-40% gothic metal, and the rest is something of a different genre. I'm really looking forward to your judgement, it will really show me that my understanding of metal is completely wrong.

As for this whole thing being my invention, this doesn't mean I'm wrong. Lot's of people are parroting completely wrong opinions, like claiming that Widow's Weeds is gothic metal or that Ashes and Illuminations are symphonic metal or whatever.


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ᴎostalgiʞK
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:52 pm 
 

Diplomate, fathers on the matter in question: This and this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St1WOqCrPlM
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Diplomate
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:38 pm 
 

ᴎostalgiʞK wrote:
Diplomate, fathers on the matter in question: This and this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St1WOqCrPlM

It's not a good idea to take the most extreme examples and say that just because Tristania doesn't sound like this, they aren't death-doom. You need to take something which is similar, but still within the confines of the genre. I perfectly know about My Dying Bride, Paradise Lost's debut, etc. Now listen to Theatre of Tragedy's first two albums, which are death-doom. Tristania's debut is exactly in this style, their future albums are faster and contain more moments influenced by gothic rock (thus gothic metal), but they still contain a lot of death-doom influence, and some riffs which don't quite sound like death-doom, but also not like gothic metal. These riffs remind me of melodeath, so what's the problem with labelling the band as gothic/death/doom just like Draconian and ToT are now?


If we leave them as gothic metal, then they are somehow in the same genre as Aegis, Draconian Times and other non-extreme albums which consist of gothic rock riffs + some heavy metal riffing and guitars. I don't think this is how it's supposed to be.

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ᴎostalgiʞK
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:35 pm 
 

Diplomate wrote:
If we leave them as gothic metal, then they are somehow in the same genre as Aegis, Draconian Times and other non-extreme albums which consist of gothic rock riffs + some heavy metal riffing and guitars. I don't think this is how it's supposed to be.


What do you mean? Being in the same genre does not qualify the band A the same as band B, Silencer is depressive black metal, and it's similar to Shining (I agree) and Shining is cataloged just as black metal.

Happy Days is also in depressive black metal genre and I don't find much similarity with Silencer (sure, they're both depressive black metal)

Forgotten Tomb is not similar to Burzum at all.

Besatt is not similar to Dark Blasphemer.

Gorgoroth is not similar to Nocturnal Depression.

Austere is not even close to I'm In a Coffin.

Woods of Desolation is not similar to Darkthrone.

Just genres man.. Chill out for a second.
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Diplomate
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:43 pm 
 

ᴎostalgiʞK wrote:
Diplomate wrote:
If we leave them as gothic metal, then they are somehow in the same genre as Aegis, Draconian Times and other non-extreme albums which consist of gothic rock riffs + some heavy metal riffing and guitars. I don't think this is how it's supposed to be.


What do you mean? Being in the same genre does not qualify the band A the same as band B, Silencer is depressive black metal, and it's similar to Shining (I agree) and Shining is cataloged just as black metal.
...

They still have some characteristics that make them similar. Tremolo picking, blast beats, riffs that are recognizable as black metal riffs, shrieked vocals and so on. Now if you compare these two songs:
Youtube: show

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Tristania song has death-doom metal riffs (listen closer, you can't say there are no death/doom riffs here, at least if you have listened for more than one minute), while ToT song doesn't. ToT song has gothic rock riffs played with metal guitars and clean gothic rock style guitars, while Tristania song doesn't have that. ToT song has some "doomy" riffs in the chorus, but that's about it. You can't tell me these songs are in the same genre.

Ok, let's compare two Tristania songs that are clearly in different genres:
Youtube: show

Youtube: show

The first song has gothic rock influence and is a perfect example of gothic metal. The second song doesn't have a single gothic rock element, the riffs are pure doom metal. Do you still think the second song is gothic metal?

Still not enough? I can show more!
Gothic metal:
Spoiler: show
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Death-doom/melodic death-doom/whatever metal:
Spoiler: show
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Are you still going to tell me these two categories belong to the same genre, despite the first one having little to no death/doom influences and the second one having little to no gothic rock influences? Ok, even if you don't think Tristania is death-doom (although I find it extremely strange, having listened to them dozens of times and analyzed their riffs), these "death-doom" songs are definitely not gothic metal, they are something else.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:58 pm 
 

Diplomate wrote:
They still have some characteristics that make them similar. Tremolo picking, blast beats, riffs that are recognizable as black metal riffs


Nononononnonononnononononononnonononononnononononononononono. No.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:07 pm 
 

ᴎostalgiʞK wrote:

Nononononnonononnononononononnonononononnononononononononono. No.

Is this an attempt at trolling?
How can you be black metal if you don't have black metal riffs? That would be ridiculous, it's the same as labelling something as gothic metal when it has very little gothic rock influences!

I have updated my post with more examples of the dichotomy between death/doom and gothic metal. If you can't hear it, then there's nothing I can do.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:09 pm 
 

Look, dude. You can have your opinions, and that's great, but they are wrong and no one is going to agree with you.

It might actually be worse than Goatfangs, since I don't think even he'd be calling any of this death/doom.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:16 pm 
 

TheGrimWombat wrote:
Look, dude. You can have your opinions, and that's great, but they are wrong and no one is going to agree with you.

It might actually be worse than Goatfangs, since I don't think even he'd be calling any of this death/doom.

All right, let's pretend I agree that these songs are not death/doom and not even melodic death/doom. What are they then? They aren't gothic metal, so what are they? I haven't seen a single argument from you that would prove they are indeed gothic metal.

TheGrimWombat wrote:
Look, dude. You can have your opinions, and that's great, but they are wrong and no one is going to agree with you.

It might actually be worse than Goatfangs, since I don't think even he'd be calling any of this death/doom.

Sure, dude, these two songs have nothing to do with death/doom, pure 100% gothic rock!

Youtube: show

Youtube: show

Listen to these songs from start to end and tell me they have 0% of death or doom influence and are 100% gothic metal.

Ok guys, I'm probably coming across wrong. I indeed believe Tristania are death-doom or at least melodic death-doom, but seeing how negatively you reacted to that, I won't argue about that. They are not death-doom, ok. But they aren't gothic metal either! So please tell me what genre they belong to and please post some songs with similar riffs. Then I will admit my error and stop this. But right now I haven't seen a single proof in favour of them being gothic metal. Morrigan said you need to have gothic rock influence to be gothic metal, well, I don't hear it.


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Just drop it already. You can have your own opinions, but that doesn't mean that they are correct or that we have to agree with them.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:32 pm 
 

Heavy Metal C-3PO thinks this discussion should end right here, so we can make room for more productive queries. It seems like the final verdict on the genre has already been made, and there's little to discuss. No user nor even staffer is obliged to agree with the final judgement, but one has to accept and move on. Even if it is a huge issue, what can you do? It's their site, they can do what they want with it... continuously arguing won't change anything.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:33 pm 
 

Storm of the Light's Bane wrote:
Just drop it already. You can have your own opinions, but that doesn't mean that they are correct or that we have to agree with them.

The problem is that you aren't arguing about the gothic metal part, you are arguing about the death/doom one. Where's the gothic rock influence in these songs? If there is none, then it's not gothic metal, it's something else. I thought it could be called melodic death-doom or at least melodic death metal, but you don't agree with me. I admit my mistake, these songs are not death-doom. But what are they then?
Could you please show me where is the gothic rock influence in these songs?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:45 pm 
 

Bonziepsycho wrote:
Knuckle Dragger's genre is fine, except I think Hardcore should be added to the tag; their three releases prior to the new ep were very hardcore, and less so death metal. So "Powerviolence/Grindcore/Hardcore/Death Metal."
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Kn ... 3540450521
https://knuckledraggertn.bandcamp.com/ (4-Way Split, Pinion / Knuckle Dragger, self titled)

Also, I don't think Enfold Darkness is "black" at all. They sound like Technical/Melodic Death Metal. I mean, their similar artists tab literally has TBDM, Inferi, Skeletonwitch, and Fallujah as their top four (all over 15 votes)
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/En ... ness/84957
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... 0DD3C00CC8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIjIOr-oDbU

I'm glad to see some notorious bands become accepted recently, but I feel that a few need a slight change to their genre.

Agoraphobic Nosebleed's genre is fine except Cybergrind needs to be added to the Grindcore tag (Cybergrind/Grindcore, Sludge/Doom Metal). They play more straightforward grind on Honky Reduction and Agorapocalypse, but are far more on the electronic cyber side of grind on Frozen Corpse Stuffed With Dope and--especially--Altered States of America.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ag ... 3540453905
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2eIf6fxs-I
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3qBpKgHjJ4
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m_IYjBhlbU
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J2UrXH5tds

Full of Hell's genre makes sense, somewhat, but they definitely play powerviolence and noise on their newest album. Might it just be better to condense the genre to Powerviolence/Grindcore/Noise/Death Metal and write in the notes that they shifted to a more deathgrind sound on their last two albums?
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Fu ... 3540438869
* https://fullofhell.bandcamp.com/album/weeping-choir (noise and powerviolence)
* https://fullofhell.bandcamp.com/album/t ... ng-ecstasy (no noise, but powerviolence)
* https://fullofhell.bandcamp.com/album/a ... eavy-light (I know this was a one off collaboration, but it is definitely "noise" and "powerviolence" to describe the later genre)
* https://neurotrecordings.bandcamp.com/a ... ike-i-ache (Another one off collaboration that fits the noise and powerviolence in the later style)

I discovered Gutalax who needs a slight change to their genre: Goregrind/Grind 'n' Roll.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Gutalax/3540310608
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PO6HZKU-IM
* https://gutalax2.bandcamp.com/

I've also seen that Slam has been added as a genre, and here are two band's I've added that fit this tag:
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ma ... 3540408586
* https://mancubus1.bandcamp.com/album/yo ... el-ep-2015

* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Re ... 3540407912
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgcVYunQed8 (sorry, I could only find a live video)
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dg0bdTK24pQ
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xlu4gBYeYE


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:22 pm 
 

Death Metal (early), Blackened Death Metal (later), because their new album is Blackened Death:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Hate/2750

Latest album:
https://hate.bandcamp.com/album/auric-gates-of-veles

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