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KingSpooky
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:29 pm 
 

Deleted Trust Rocks (Ger) - minor name change from Trust, which was added onto the site first.

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KingSpooky
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:02 pm 
 

Deleted Frozen Sun (Netherlands) - Grunge/Progressive/Alternative rock.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:19 pm 
 

KingSpooky wrote:
Deleted Trust Rocks (Ger) - minor name change from Trust, which was added onto the site first.

Thanks a lot.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:12 am 
 

Deleted Éla (Italy) - full album not yet released, only a few singles downloadable without artwork unique to each song.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:06 am 
 

Deleted Shiptarian Darkness - very little evidence of valid distribution, almost certainly a troll project.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 8:34 am 
 

Deleted Proxess (France) - minor name change from Process to Proxess.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:12 am 
 

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Heiliger Krieg - predominantly rac. The music is very similar to to the already blacklisted band Racewar, they only differences are, that tthe albums have now a crystal clear, professional production, that there is much more ballads on their albums, sometines they take up almost half of the album , and that they use more of the melodic guitar solos , played technically better. But the bul of the music is still in the rac realm.

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/He ... 3540383348
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x78flei
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7o3nbf
https://www.bitchute.com/video/vu7QZWFbRvA2/
https://rac-forum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=26788

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:56 am 
 

Witcher wrote:

I wasn't sure here, some parts are definitely rock, but also lots of faster, more metallic Motörhead-y stuff. I asked another mod and they said the band should stay. I've changed the genre, though.

I Am the Law wrote:
Art of Suffering sounds like a mixture of rock styles without predominantly being metal based off of their second album called "Leuchte auf". Their page lists two albums but I was only able to find the one. I'm not sure if this would warrant deletion based off of one album alone but IMO it's not metal.

http://www.sufferweb.de/page3.html

Since the band was added based on their first album, I'd definitely want to listen to it before doing anything.

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Also, Slab purports to be "thrash/death metal/crossover" but sounds more like unacceptable metalcore/hardcore to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW4pBfqWasc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZgPISL3Mpk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrpXYNZQ-z8

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One more, Saw sounds more like metalcore than death metal. It may be borderline though. I was only able to find the tracks from their second album for this one as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bl-5jZPqOM

Definitely not just death metal as the entry claims. I'm leaning towards deleting them based on the available album, but I'll try and find the rest of the material first.

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Yet another one, Full Scale Conflict sounds more like metalcore/deathcore than death metal. There are some metal riffs here and there, moreso on the first album, but overall I think the -core elements are more prominent than anything else.

https://music.apple.com/us/album/trials ... 1166893050
https://soundcloud.com/fullscaleconflic ... chronicles

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odium wrote:
Same for this band:

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sv ... iscography

The album is available for streaming on YouTube only (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-RNO8iILWc), while the digital version on BandCamp is available for 500 Eur (https://svetblackmetal.bandcamp.com/releases).

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I'll have to check Panic Idols some other time.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 8:18 pm 
 

Deleted Metal Maniacs (Ger). I'd added them a couple weeks ago, but after giving their demo another listen I think it is more hard rock than metal.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2021 8:05 am 
 

Report for Dimensao Atroz:
https://www.metal-archives.com/report/v ... 2/show/all
The sample song really sounds like hardcore punk. The guy, who repoeted it, probably owns the whole tape.

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:44 am 
 

Witcher wrote:
Heiliger Krieg - predominantly rac. The music is very similar to to the already blacklisted band Racewar, they only differences are, that tthe albums have now a crystal clear, professional production, that there is much more ballads on their albums, sometines they take up almost half of the album , and that they use more of the melodic guitar solos , played technically better. But the bul of the music is still in the rac realm.

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/He ... 3540383348
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x78flei
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7o3nbf
https://www.bitchute.com/video/vu7QZWFbRvA2/
https://rac-forum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=26788

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:17 pm 
 

Thanks a lot, Azmodes.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:32 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
Witcher wrote:
Witcher wrote:
Might Of Rage /Germany(- LLast time I brought up the band, I had only three songs available, and the review ended rather inconclusive. Now I have found all their three albums and i must say, that their first album from 1999is mostly pure New York style hardcore in the style of Sick Of It All and smilar, while the other two albums are mmodern style metallic hardcore in the style of Hatebreed , biohazard and Madball. So, please, if you could look at it:
http://rac-forum.org/forum/showthread.p ... 7&langid=9
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https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mi ... Rage/28697

https://uloz.to/file/FoTvenJpKas0/might ... own-ep-rar
https://uloz.to/file/rRu5niAr5hbb/might ... reborn-rar

https://uloz.to/file/tCOFFSZGgHsY/might ... f-hand-rar

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:15 am 
 

Überzeugungstäter - The first two albums are mostly rac and the third album has more hatecore elements mmixed with the rac, but still only minimal metal influences.
https://rac-forum.org/forum/showthread.php?p=369376
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/%C ... 3540467548
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/2URHU ... C62ZuNjwfJ

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KingSpooky
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:36 pm 
 

Deleted Worship the Infinite (France) - Duplicate entry.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:30 pm 
 

Tormenta (Esp)
The ffirst demo is flok rock, the album EL fin.. upon which it was apparently accepted, is only about half metal, since only five songs on it are really heavy metal, the rest is Oi!rac. The rest of their catalogue is neo-folk
https://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/751610
https://rac-forum.org/forum/showthread.php?p=81716
https://open.spotify.com/album/2ZhohTfhzoY6q2ogPoaS8H

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Muhammadabbadabba
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:33 am 
 

Witcher wrote:
Tormenta (Esp)
The ffirst demo is flok rock, the album EL fin.. upon which it was apparently accepted, is only about half metal, since only five songs on it are really heavy metal, the rest is Oi!rac. The rest of their catalogue is neo-folk
https://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/751610
https://rac-forum.org/forum/showthread.php?p=81716
https://open.spotify.com/album/2ZhohTfhzoY6q2ogPoaS8H

We've had other close calls in the past be accepted by a marginal amount of Metal on one release only: The Blood, Seraiah, Jinrai, Troopers, Strong Style to name a few.

Tormenta might be acceptable since the Metal tracks are pure Metal. It's a real case of 55/45.
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:14 am 
 

Muhammadabbadabba wrote:
Witcher wrote:
Tormenta (Esp)
The ffirst demo is flok rock, the album EL fin.. upon which it was apparently accepted, is only about half metal, since only five songs on it are really heavy metal, the rest is Oi!rac. The rest of their catalogue is neo-folk
https://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/751610
https://rac-forum.org/forum/showthread.php?p=81716
https://open.spotify.com/album/2ZhohTfhzoY6q2ogPoaS8H

We've had other close calls in the past be accepted by a marginal amount of Metal on one release only: The Blood, Seraiah, Jinrai, Troopers, Strong Style to name a few.

Tormenta might be acceptable since the Metal tracks are pure Metal. It's a real case of 55/45.


In order to be accepted , a band has to have an album that's predominantly metal, not only marginally or partially metal. From that difinition it is clear, that more than half of the album has to be metal. In this case, only five of the songs are predominatly metal, five of tthen. The slightly metal influenced oi song doesN't count. As for Jin Rai, a moderator ssaid , tha they album wwas found to be predominantly metal. You don not to have to confuse your own subjective opinion with the view of the staff. I think, that nobody of them said, that any bands of those, which you have mentioned , was accepted just for being marginally metal. If you think, that any of the bands you have mentioned, idoes not have a predominantly metal album, then you can present it here. It is also interesting, that you give an answer, like you were part of the stastaff and knew exactly , why those bands were accepted. I am of course waiting for an official reaction.

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Muhammadabbadabba
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:42 am 
 

Witcher wrote:
It is also interesting, that you give an answer, like you were part of the stastaff and knew exactly , why those bands were accepted.

Except I'm not claiming to be staff nor am I pretending my opinion is even close to final. It is ultimately just an independent assessment. I'm citing previous cases where bands were accepted on account of one release with just enough material to warrant inclusion, particularly those others believed were a close call. We can also include The Hunt which Azmodes himself deemed the sole Metal release the "bareliest of barelies". I may disagree with opinions periodically, but I've always been deferential to the staff. You certainly haven't forgotten your time as staff and seem eager to flex on others whenever the opportunity presents itself.

And by the way, I did make that report, didn't I? Why shouldn't I be invested in how this is decided? I did say "might be acceptable" which leaves plenty of room for doubt and ultimately moderator discretion which matters most.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:46 pm 
 

What I am stating, is somply, that an album , of which only the half of songs is metal, is not a predominantly album by ethe site standrds. Oof ccourse,it is up to the moderators, if the would evaulate and album as such, notw genrally speaking, but if it so , it does ot get aaccepted. Iit's ssimple logic, half/half does not equal predomiantely. You have already given your opnion about the music in the report, what you were doing here eas trtraing to convince me of your own interpretatiion of the deciding system. and the moderator's decisions, which is highly subjective and in my own experience , quite incorrect. I was not picking on you, I stated, that i am not interested in your own subjective assumptions , If someone states, that the band barely made it, it certainly does not meam, that the album has only some metal songs and the majority of it is not metal or that it is only half metal.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:32 pm 
 

Deleted Dracane (Russia) - duplicate entry (see Дракайна).

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:33 pm 
 

Don't have much, but it's a start...
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mindlink/3904

Three songs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pizq7llNZw

Doesn't sound like tech thrash at all. (Below) average 90s groovy funk metal stuff. I think we'll need the two demos in this case, and not their last release, but the genre should probably be changed in the meantime.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 4:34 pm 
 

Mindlink - have changed the genre to Progressive Groove Metal/Hard Rock.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:54 pm 
 

Deleted Holy Tyrant (US) - Duplicate entry.

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:30 am 
 

Deleted Tormenta. I wasn't at all impressed by the debut album as far as metallic RAC goes.

Überzeugungstäter was reviewed based on Entscheidungsträger by at least two mods last year, I see no reason to overturn the decision.

Antioch wrote:
Don't have much, but it's a start...
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mindlink/3904

Three songs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pizq7llNZw

Doesn't sound like tech thrash at all. (Below) average 90s groovy funk metal stuff. I think we'll need the two demos in this case, and not their last release, but the genre should probably be changed in the meantime.

Listening to those three tracks as well as looking at the submitter/year of addition, I have a feeling that this might need the hammer. I'll get a copy of the album on Discogs to check, though.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:08 pm 
 

Deleted Sagenkraft (Italy) - entry was misspelled in a 'zine. Their name is Sagenhaft, a dungeon synth band.

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Mass Hypnosis might be worth a re-evaluation. They are listed as industrial/death metal but that is not even remotely accurate. Their first album Disin4mation is a mixture of metalcore and AtG-style melodic DM. They do have a fair amount of metal riffs but there is quite a bit of the album that is definitely on the non-metallic side of metalcore. It's very borderline IMO. Their second album Sanctimonius is more akin to djent or some type of progressive -core music than death metal. They have several EPs as well but they are mostly comprised of songs that were on their full-length albums with a couple of exceptions.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=O ... 0jyfSD6Zjs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR7UQO6RIvo

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I Am the Law wrote:
Mass Hypnosis might be worth a re-evaluation. They are listed as industrial/death metal but that is not even remotely accurate. Their first album Disin4mation is a mixture of metalcore and AtG-style melodic DM. They do have a fair amount of metal riffs but there is quite a bit of the album that is definitely on the non-metallic side of metalcore. It's very borderline IMO. Their second album Sanctimonius is more akin to djent or some type of progressive -core music than death metal. They have several EPs as well but they are mostly comprised of songs that were on their full-length albums with a couple of exceptions.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=O ... 0jyfSD6Zjs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR7UQO6RIvo

Yeah. To me personally, their debut sounds passable but their genre tag definitely needs some corrections. Something like Industrial Metalcore or something.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 5:53 am 
 

I am leaning yes in that first Mass Hypnosis album, but the genre definitely needs some correcting here.

KingSpooky wrote:
Copied and pasted from a report put in by BlackFlag:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Panic_Idols/125425
This is "distorted", modern... Melodic Hard Rock.
Considering it was accepted based on their first demo, only two songs are barely "melodic metal", IMO: Troubled Mind and Take Your Time. You can listen them live here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoPpoJbj8lU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCvhkXWvt3Y

The other songs are either ballads or predominantly hard rock:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo0GQvhHZIE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQZtwtbtr_k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bphT4CulU-g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XV9p9msbm0

Their second release, Change is Melodic Hard Rock aswell, with some metal plucking here and there:
Green Species
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYL-8brTsyc
Every Moment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR36rgSEqIc
They Said
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ8px5hU1cw
Venus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bwvOUxAlAw
Nothing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqn90GqTzEA

Tough one, methinks, but the first demo does seem more metal than not. Again, I'll see about the genre.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:51 am 
 

Deleted Sent Men Revolt (Bangladesh) - their discography consists entirely of compilation tracks that were entered in as digital singles (artwork not unique to their songs).

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Deleted Disciple (Tennessee, US - Alternative rock / rap-metal / watered-down rock throughout entire activity period), Minority (Canada - nu metal), Sickspeed (nu-metal, watered-down modern rock of early 2000s sound).

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