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Witcher
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 2:15 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
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KingSpooky wrote:
https://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/752211/show/all

What about this, please?


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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 5:31 pm 
 

Siegertyp is essentially raw black metal with some noisy/punky elements. It looks like it was originally added based on a description, but the samples validate that decision. Stays.
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ThStealthK
Indiana Jones

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 6:25 pm 
 

Reactive Black (Germany): Gothic rock:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Re ... ack/112160
https://reactive-black.bandcamp.com/
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Quorthallis
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 7:38 am 
 

ThStealthK wrote:

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Quorthallis
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 1:16 pm 
 

Deleted Grim Mars (Canada) - insignificant name change from Grim to Grim Mars.

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KingSpooky
The Man, The Machine, The Legend

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:07 pm 
 

Deleted Knight of the Round (US) - Final Fantasy soundtrack cover band.

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KingSpooky
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 9:50 am 
 

Deleted Walking Worm Colony (Sweden) - only known release is a re-release of "Demon 2003", which came out under their former moniker V.Ö.M.B., who are on the site.

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ThStealthK
Indiana Jones

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 6:45 pm 
 

Automatic Animal (USA): Grunge:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Au ... imal/86630
https://automaticanimal.bandcamp.com/
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 6:45 pm 
 

Busta Hoota (Germany): Nu-metal:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Busta_Hoota/111951
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:38 am 
 

Deleted ΙΧΩΡ (Greece) - the only release since the arguably minor name change from Ichor (on the site) has been a reissue of the band's 2008 demo.

Deleted Busta Hoota (Ger) - Nu Metal

Deleted Automatic Animal (US) - Grunge/rock

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ThStealthK
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 8:00 pm 
 

13Even (USA): Nu metal:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/13Even/3540259634
https://13even.bandcamp.com/album/13-even
https://www.mediafire.com/file/junxmdk7 ... 9.rar/file
https://www.mediafire.com/file/1hnlona0 ... 9.rar/file
https://www.mediafire.com/file/8lrtox9u ... 9.rar/file
https://sonichits.com/album/13Even/World_War_Media
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:57 am 
 

Hello.
I'm not sure if this is a case of an insignificant name change: from Sabactâni to Sabackthanny:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sa ... 3540418907
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sa ... 3540465682

I was told by the band's mastermind that Sabackthanny is the new name of Sabactâni.

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KingSpooky
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:41 pm 
 

Deleted 13Even (US) - Nu metal

Deleted Sabackthanny (Brazil) - minor name change from Sabactâni.

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KingSpooky
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 3:25 pm 
 

Deleted Myrmidon (United Kingdom) - Live recordings weren't officially released/distributed.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 7:08 pm 
 

https://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/752211
I know, that it may seem like a sisyphean task, but still...


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ThStealthK
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:08 pm 
 

Juda's Wake (USA): Predominantly nu metal:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ju ... Wake/47621
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=O ... HmB2wRXzwU
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:15 pm 
 

Indigo Child (Slovenia): Gothic rock:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Indigo_Child/18595
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=O ... 4hSqubnm7Q
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KingSpooky
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:10 pm 
 

Powerskin was reassessed again, and it's been determined that they'll stay. Juda's Wake (US - nu metal) and Indigo Child (Slovenia - gothic rock) deleted.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2021 3:34 pm 
 

O.K., so it unfortunately seems, that the musical tolerance towards rac bands knows seeminly kno boundaries around here nowadays, which is completely imcomprehesible to me, one last try .
BBut I will be fully sincere and say, that the emormous number of rac bands arin the database, especially the so called "heavy metal/rac" bands here makes me disgusted for peronal , moral and musical reason.
I know,that it has been said, that such bands are not takenlightly, the whole approach to them is just hard to swallow.
This aboabomination fof a band was accepted based on their latest album. . The band has always been descibed as rac, but such arguments fall hre on deaf ears, which makes me sad.
Back to the latest albm, it is more compentently played than their early stuff,but from songstructures and riffng its till mostly rac. melodic solos alone do not mak a band metal. I have listened to the album a couple of times and except for the three songs in the middle, which have slight metal influences, it is still rac in my book.
Now something about ehir lyrics. Tthey are, especially on their first three albums, mostly about torturing , killing, dismembering, skinning and electrocuting Jews, blacks and other "non-white people, life long devotion and ededication to nazism aetc.
Shouuld a band like, that the ir music, but also everyithing else about them being taken into consideration, be really listed as"heav metal"?
Are they really that similar to Saxon, Iron maide, Judas Priest, Manowar or other traditonal heavy metal bands in sound?
Please, think about tit. Please, consider, how the database looks with such type of dubious , doubtful bands included. An answer like"towo modertaors agree that, they are passabl, so they'll stay" idoes not really solve the bulk of the problem.
m
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ma ... 3540487309
https://rac-forum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=404

For illustration: I remember reading a review o Dmoniac's third album in the cCzech metal magazine rRockshock. The reviewer was negatively surprised to hear a "Sieg Heil" shout on a metal album, but he said, that it hopes , that that was just some sort of joke, since nazism never belonged to heavy metal. He wold be might y surprised, that according to the database hre, they nazi/fascist heavy metal band already in Italy in the late eighties/early nineties. Never mind, that their member were white power skinheadss/bonbone headss, that their sound mostly like Skrewdriverrr/Brutal AtAttack. ButBut they have some songs that sosound like Dio and their guitarist has played twenty years later in a doom metalband, so they must be included. TThese were real arguments presented here.
just read:


I can understand, that nsbm band have to be listed here, since they are, well, in most cases convincingly metal , regardless of their lyrics, but this ttype of bands?
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macht_%26_Ehre
https://archive.org/details/macht-ehre- ... -untergang
https://uloz.to/file/34ajjeaySvd2/macht ... IbGmVlZD==

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Muhammadabbadabba
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2021 9:36 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
O.K., so it unfortunately seems, that the musical tolerance towards rac bands knows seeminly kno boundaries around here nowadays, which is completely imcomprehesible to me, one last try .
BBut I will be fully sincere and say, that the emormous number of rac bands arin the database, especially the so called "heavy metal/rac" bands here makes me disgusted for peronal , moral and musical reason.
I know,that it has been said, that such bands are not takenlightly, the whole approach to them is just hard to swallow.
This aboabomination fof a band was accepted based on their latest album. . The band has always been descibed as rac, but such arguments fall hre on deaf ears, which makes me sad.
Back to the latest albm, it is more compentently played than their early stuff,but from songstructures and riffng its till mostly rac. melodic solos alone do not mak a band metal. I have listened to the album a couple of times and except for the three songs in the middle, which have slight metal influences, it is still rac in my book.
Now something about ehir lyrics. Tthey are, especially on their first three albums, mostly about torturing , killing, dismembering, skinning and electrocuting Jews, blacks and other "non-white people, life long devotion and ededication to nazism aetc.
Shouuld a band like, that the ir music, but also everyithing else about them being taken into consideration, be really listed as"heav metal"?
Are they really that similar to Saxon, Iron maide, Judas Priest, Manowar or other traditonal heavy metal bands in sound?
Please, think about tit. Please, consider, how the database looks with such type of dubious , doubtful bands included. An answer like"towo modertaors agree that, they are passabl, so they'll stay" idoes not really solve the bulk of the problem.
m
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ma ... 3540487309
https://rac-forum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=404

For illustration: I remember reading a review o Dmoniac's third album in the cCzech metal magazine rRockshock. The reviewer was negatively surprised to hear a "Sieg Heil" shout on a metal album, but he said, that it hopes , that that was just some sort of joke, since nazism never belonged to heavy metal. He wold be might y surprised, that according to the database hre, they nazi/fascist heavy metal band already in Italy in the late eighties/early nineties. Never mind, that their member were white power skinheadss/bonbone headss, that their sound mostly like Skrewdriverrr/Brutal AtAttack. ButBut they have some songs that sosound like Dio and their guitarist has played twenty years later in a doom metalband, so they must be included. TThese were real arguments presented here.
just read:


I can understand, that nsbm band have to be listed here, since they are, well, in most cases convincingly metal , regardless of their lyrics, but this ttype of bands?
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macht_%26_Ehre
https://archive.org/details/macht-ehre- ... -untergang
https://uloz.to/file/34ajjeaySvd2/macht ... IbGmVlZD==

The moderators will ultimately have the last word on this subject, but I will speak as someone who has spent years interacting with the staff and submitting bands especially within this milieu.

In my experience, the site's rules for acceptance have always had one very simple heuristic: are the riffs Metal or not? Whether or not the band in question identifies as Metal is only peripherally relevant at best. If moderators included the criteria as to what subculture the artists belong to or how they choose to identify, then I strongly suspect Hellbastard, Amebix, The Exploited, The Blood, Discharge, Cockney Rejects and even Motörhead may never have been accepted. Lemmy always opened and closed every show with "We're Motörhead! We play Rock'n'Roll!" and never once considered his band Metal despite everything from the music's compositional grammar to the phrasing of the riffs saying much to the contrary. Hellbastard outright stated on the insert to their first LP Heading for Internal Darkness that "We are not 'Metallers'" and have consistently been identified with Punk subculture despite playing Thrash Metal throughout their entire discography. Scruff openly talks about his love for Metallica, Slayer and Racer X alongside The Apostles and Amebix, so he's never been shy about his Metal influences despite not claiming to be a metalhead. The Christian band Crossforce steadfastly called their music Hard Rock despite playing Heavy Metal because of the perceived satanic connotations of the latter. Artists can choose to identify their music any which way they please, but all anyone here wants to know is if they ever had ONE album, JUST ONE album, that's Metal.

While it is understood to anyone with cursory knowledge that Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Manowar and Saxon have all released genre-defining canon for all things Heavy Metal, Metal music has evolved to include not only the endless subgenres of Extreme Metal but also newer acts that noticeably depart from the genre's forefathers while still being Heavy Metal. Ergo, those bands are no longer the barometer for assessing a band's metalness. Newer acts like Volbeat, Hellyeah, Adrenaline Mob and Texas Hippie Coalition hardly sound like important Metal bands from previous decades, but I have yet to hear a convincing case made that they're not Metal. None of those acts are to my tastes, but they're still Metal.

As to Macht und Ehre, I was completely taken by surprise that Mr. Jones's musical project had an album that could be considered Metal. Until Wende oder Untergang, the little I heard was the subpar RAC stew of Punk, Oi! and Hardcore. I would compare the latest release to Modern Metal acts in the vein of Adrenaline Mob or Hellyeah along with (as a visitor in the reports pointed out) JFN-era Absurd. To be honest, I think the previous two releases Europas Herz and Die Fahne voran would also qualify as Metal, but it's the latest one that merited Macht und Ehre's acceptance.

Re: the ethics of adding far-right bands, never once have I thought their collective presence on this site amounted to an endorsement of their respective views and opinions. The hundreds upon hundreds of NSBM acts certainly never reflected on the collective view of this site, its moderators or its users. Why would RAC be any different?

Side note: Anal Cunt humorously noted this tendency among heavier bands to deny playing Metal.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 4:58 am 
 

Witcher wrote:
O.K., so it unfortunately seems, that the musical tolerance towards rac bands knows seeminly kno boundaries around here nowadays, which is completely imcomprehesible to me, one last try .
BBut I will be fully sincere and say, that the emormous number of rac bands arin the database, especially the so called "heavy metal/rac" bands here makes me disgusted for peronal , moral and musical reason.
I know,that it has been said, that such bands are not takenlightly, the whole approach to them is just hard to swallow.
This aboabomination fof a band was accepted based on their latest album. . The band has always been descibed as rac, but such arguments fall hre on deaf ears, which makes me sad.
Back to the latest albm, it is more compentently played than their early stuff,but from songstructures and riffng its till mostly rac. melodic solos alone do not mak a band metal. I have listened to the album a couple of times and except for the three songs in the middle, which have slight metal influences, it is still rac in my book.
Now something about ehir lyrics. Tthey are, especially on their first three albums, mostly about torturing , killing, dismembering, skinning and electrocuting Jews, blacks and other "non-white people, life long devotion and ededication to nazism aetc.
Shouuld a band like, that the ir music, but also everyithing else about them being taken into consideration, be really listed as"heav metal"?
Are they really that similar to Saxon, Iron maide, Judas Priest, Manowar or other traditonal heavy metal bands in sound?
Please, think about tit. Please, consider, how the database looks with such type of dubious , doubtful bands included. An answer like"towo modertaors agree that, they are passabl, so they'll stay" idoes not really solve the bulk of the problem.
m
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ma ... 3540487309
https://rac-forum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=404

For illustration: I remember reading a review o Dmoniac's third album in the cCzech metal magazine rRockshock. The reviewer was negatively surprised to hear a "Sieg Heil" shout on a metal album, but he said, that it hopes , that that was just some sort of joke, since nazism never belonged to heavy metal. He wold be might y surprised, that according to the database hre, they nazi/fascist heavy metal band already in Italy in the late eighties/early nineties. Never mind, that their member were white power skinheadss/bonbone headss, that their sound mostly like Skrewdriverrr/Brutal AtAttack. ButBut they have some songs that sosound like Dio and their guitarist has played twenty years later in a doom metalband, so they must be included. TThese were real arguments presented here.
just read:


I can understand, that nsbm band have to be listed here, since they are, well, in most cases convincingly metal , regardless of their lyrics, but this ttype of bands?
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macht_%26_Ehre
https://archive.org/details/macht-ehre- ... -untergang
https://uloz.to/file/34ajjeaySvd2/macht ... IbGmVlZD==

For someone that apparently hates RAC, you're spending an unhealthy amount of time listening to each and every one of those bands. You realize that you can just ignore them, right?

I think I can speak in the name of all staff members when I say that we hate RAC and all other nazi crap as much as you do, but as a neutral database, we have to include them if one of their albums is sufficiently metal. And that's exactly what we do, no more, no less. We don't care which scene they belong to, how they or others describe their music or whatever, as long as there's enough metal riffing, it's acceptabel, whether we (or you) like it or not.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:29 am 
 

Im'm listening to their albums, so that I could get as much of them off the archvies as possble and prsent some reasonable musical arguments for their deletion. The problem is that their albums are not metal or predominantly metal imo. A band , which is presonally almost idnedentic to a delted rac band and plays very similar muisc style gets accepted, when I point at that, i get ignored. The problem is, that you do not refeclt at all. what the otside musical wold thinks about ithem and if it considers their music metal: Are you really that sure with the correctness of your decisions in that category?
I cn't entirely ignore them, if they staining their database with their daily presepresence and as it seems, sveralnew of them get submitted weekly . Not all of them get accepted, but those which do, ar more than enough.

About the metal riffing : yes, I'm aware of that. the peoblem is that their albums are, imo based areoungd oi/punk riffing wih only muminnimum of metal /if even any( influences.They may have the melodic , metal inspired guitar soloing, but hard the riffs and convincing structures.
I act, what I 'm trying for more than two years, since I have noticed, that during my absence, bands like Power Skin, Bomber, Heiliger Krieg (which was thankfully delted( ar present, is trying to minimize their presence here. I if aI was not explicit about it, it was solely, becasue I wantd to avoid lengthy debates with whwhite power scene supports , llike several posts above this one.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:28 am 
 

Witcher wrote:
BBut I will be fully sincere and say, that the emormous number of rac bands arin the database, especially the so called "heavy metal/rac" bands here makes me disgusted for peronal , moral and musical reason.
I know,that it has been said, that such bands are not takenlightly, the whole approach to them is just hard to swallow.


I can commend Witcher for finally being sincere about his crusade; and admitting in that the "musical" part of it is the least important part of it for him.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:30 pm 
 

I have clearyl mentioned, that i don't consider tha alualbums, upon, which they were accepteedd, to be predominantly metal and why . I have alsopresented arguments for each band, which Ihave posted here. Sincerity yois apprently only a an invatation for certain people to himilite you and kick at you. But you yare not my apponted splspokesman, not do we know each other peorsonally, so please, spare us ayour assumptions abou my thoughts and motives.

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I remember telling you before to give it a rest with bringing up every newly added RAC band in this thread and accept that there is an irreconcilable difference of opinion here. These types of bands are generally only approved after a solid mod consensus has presented itself (which is more than I can say for a lot of the more ambiguous inclusions from "your" era) and while the option of having another look at something is always there, endlessly badgering us about every other such approved band to relitigate something borderline that has only recently been gone over by multiple staffers and doing so for evidently skewed reasoning is not okay. "Staining the database"? "Disgusted for personal and moral reasons"? Come on. None of us have anything but contempt for the bands and their ideology, but do I even have to point out why that does not matter one iota for the database? If these RAC bands are found to be based in metal riffing on at least one album, then that's that. That is our heuristic, as Muhammad put it. Everything else, ideology and ethics and whatnot is utterly irrelevant and I'm surprised that you'd consider it anything but. Well, admittedly not that surprised anymore at this point.

What else is there to say? You say you also disagree with these bands being here on musical grounds? Okay, that's fair and it is a tricky subgenre/scene to pin down sometimes. I get how classifying these bands under the metal umbrella by listing them here can be seen as disregarding a bigger picture, but we don't really operate in that manner. Our chosen focus and yardstick for acceptance are metal releases. More holistic concerns in the area of scene and genre affiliation are at best tertiary. That being said, strictly metal riff-wise, I'm rarely super sure with them myself, but if a moderator majority is in favour, then that is good enough for me. Frankly, I've noticed you missing the mark as MA attempts to outline it these days a lot when it comes to the punk/hardcore/metal as well as the hard rock/metal line, so there is nothing left but to agree to disagree and accept that you don't make those calls. People are free to bring up bands in here and make their case within reason, but if a mod tells you that a decision has been made, the discussion is over. Personally I've been loathe to regularly check on this thread for quite a while now, because so much of it is taken up by spammy reposts (RAC bands or otherwise) and you trying to bulldoze your way through, using it as yet another loophole to moderate from the sidelines. Everything has to be so... exhausting with you, seriously.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:23 am 
 

Deleted Desertor (Mexico) - insignificant name change to Desertor HC and the one demo they had under the Desertor name is borderline crossover. The rest of discography is clearly more punk than metal, so they don't really belong here.

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KingSpooky
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:18 am 
 

Deleted Dimensão Atroz (Portugal) - doesn't seem to be primarily metal. Moving to the research thread.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:56 pm 
 

Witcher give up already this is a new decade and things tend to evoluate eventually, this is life. You are kind off stuck in the previous decade and sometimes this is getting frustrating. I am sure that current moderators and old members respect what you previously did for the site and tend to intentionally ignore your comments out of respect for that. But you are consistently pushing the boundaries for nothing really. The site evolved in an amazing direction and honestly no one cares to get back to the old days anymore. Sorry if this is a bit harsh but someone must say the truth as it is.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:05 pm 
 

Yes, there were made many improvemnt, but the higher acceptance of rac bands with their dubious music is not one of them.
After Azmodes' last o¨¨pst I have really nothing more to add. since it is clear that I won't convinced them on the matter tand the bands/abands will stay cemented at ehir postiton.
I do not view your post negatively , since you have shown , that you are one of the few staff members (as metal kknight), who can show some empathy.
Yout are right, that I still kind of live in 2010 , since I suddenly became blind in 2011 and view the wourworld only fom hearsay, so to speak. bd was a result of my surprise, when I fifound band listed here , which I considered absurd in regards to their sound. Sot it was a combination of my musical viewpoint (which I still ho( and my strong antifascist to try this . So again thank for your empathic tone. II have answered only, because you have opned up the topic again. I can only hope, that the moderators themselves will see with time, the such inclusions ar really not benefificil for the site, that's all.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:56 am 
 

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Xc ... 3540457611

Just curious about this one. Doesn't a band need 5 minutes of original music? This band has one single and it features the same song twice, which the song is under 5 minutes.

I'm not really fussed either way if the band is included, just trying to keep standards.

Angel Eyes
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/An ... 3540273541

Added (by me) based on online descriptions and reviews available at the time. Now uploaded to yt, and should be removed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTvSZbRf4xQ
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KingSpooky
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:32 pm 
 

Deleted Parasitic Infestation (Pakistan) - misspelling of the band Parasitic Infection, which is already on the site.

Deleted Angel Eyes (Korea, South) - rock.

Deleted Muk (US) - core w/ a lot of breakdowns.

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TheGrimWombat
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:31 pm 
 

KingSpooky wrote:
Deleted Parasitic Infestation (Pakistan) - misspelling of the band Parasitic Infection, which is already on the site.

Deleted Angel Eyes (Korea, South) - rock.

Deleted Muk (US) - core w/ a lot of breakdowns.


Thanks, Spooky. I am curious about Xcalibur, though. Since I've recently had a black metal band rejected with a single that was 4:57 long and the Xcalibur one is less (just with a vocals and instrumental version).
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:50 pm 
 

Rotten Ulcer from Thailand
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ro ... 3540494758

This is really not a death metal. Not a single death metal riffs heard from this release but a non-metallic groovy goregrind which I believe not meet with site's standard on what's acceptable. Those two behind this project also view themselves as not a metal band but a cyber goregrind which is more or less a fair call for them.

https://darkroomproduction.bandcamp.com ... by-nuclear

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:01 am 
 

Izod (Can) - predominantly hard rock. The first song is heavy metal, but it cahnges to commercial sleaze/hard rock after that:
https://aornightdrive.blogspot.com/2021 ... -1987.html
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Izod/3540274063

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Azmodes
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Deleted Rotten Ulcer, Xcalibur and Izod.
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TheGrimWombat
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 2:09 pm 
 

Azmodes wrote:
Deleted Xcalibur.


Alright. This was also recently accepted with over a minute less than 5 minute, apparently digital, release?

https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/M ... ion/980392
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 4:56 pm 
 

Pure Innocence (Dnk) - This ione is a bit complicate, since I can't find the full album online, but eveverything indicates, that Pure Innocence played also hard rock like their previous incarnation Sticky Sweet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgQwbReefV8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyoE5kKxk9w
https://heavyharmonies.com/cgi-bin/glam ... 20Innocent
https://www.discogs.com/Pure-Innocence- ... se/6335902
The band was apparently added based just on one online description.
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Pu ... ence/13767

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:11 pm 
 

Strict Nine - hard rock:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD7eKxylqzY
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/St ... 3540274730

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KingSpooky
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:52 am 
 

I agree about Strict Nine - other than a couple of metal songs, their discography is hard rock. From their demo, all but the song "Nasty" were included on the full-length album linked above, and a live version of that song is here (also more rock than metal) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbW7UTXXRF0
(could use a second opinion though, just to be sure).

Pure Innocence - inconclusive based on the 2 songs.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:05 am 
 

Regarding Pure Innocenc: Coud this band be posted in the "Potential Additions" thread to get more samples?
I have seen, that you have already posted there some suspicios bands, which were delted from the site, and I can't think of any other way how to get more samples form this rare album. Perhaps the thread could also be used for the more rare sucpicius bands, when there is strong indication, that they are not metal and their albums are hard to get?
ThThanks for your assesment, in any case.

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