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Antioch
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:09 pm 
 

Have a look at this:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/The ... 3540391528

and this:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Metallica/125

It took me 10 seconds to make that gif image. Looks neat, and doesn't consume much space on the page.
Metallica's logos on the other hand take up so much space and look hideously excessive.

I strive to make multiple logos look decent:
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/In_Flames/11
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Paradise_Lost/191
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Tiamat/859
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Stryper/81757
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Katatonia/6
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Skyclad/58

but gif images would be really badass. The only problem is their size.
What do you say?
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PDS
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:14 am 
 

I dknt know about the gif logos, but personally it would help if the soze was increased alittle bit as it is hard making complex logos that are unvectored look good at 50mb. Even removing metadata.
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Derigin
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:02 am 
 

The reason we impose size limits on images has nothing to do with rank. If we allowed some ranks to upload "triple the size limit" of images, and disallowed other ranks, the end result would still be the same: images across the site would be larger and have a larger filesize, and a larger filesize is what we don't want. Let me explain why.

Images (photos, logos, etc.) are among the biggest bandwidth users on websites, compared to the code involved in retrieving data from a database. The filesize of images can be astronomical in comparison. Now, when you visit a page on MA your browser is retrieving the data on the page you're viewing. As the page loads, it runs the code, issues queries on the database and displays any data and images to you. In very simple terms, this is bandwidth. Each time you load a page (especially for the first time) this process begins anew. Over and over again, more data is requested from the site's server with images using up the most bandwidth due to their size. Multiply this by the thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of hits an individual page might get in a day, or a week, or a month, and bandwidth adds up quickly and substantively. Don't be alarmed by this - MA can certainly handle everything you can currently throw at it - but the process is one every site (and server) you visit goes through.

Servers restrict how much bandwidth a site can use in a given pay period. On top of that, the more hits (requests) that the server receives by individuals like yourself who use up bandwidth, the more likely you could congest the server to the point that requests from others are interrupted and the site is slow or "down." This is, in essence, one of the mechanisms behind a denial-of-service attack, when done deliberately. It is true that nowadays it's unlikely for this to happen; network bandwidth is usually better and there's more ways to mitigate congestion. That said, not all sites are created equally (or served equally) and so if you want more bandwidth, you need to pay more...

... And that's the other thing to keep in mind. I can certainly agree that it would be nice to have larger images or be able to host multiple logos or photos or whatnot. It sounds wonderful... but there's a cost, and that cost is financial. Are larger images worth an increased cost? Truthfully, that's not really our prerogative to ask that, as you and I don't pay for it. The owners might feel obliged to say yes or no, but this is not something we as visitors and volunteers can promulgate on their behalf. But, for such an ultimately aesthetic improvement, I can't see it being a convincing priority, personally.

So, in short, someday - maybe - there might be an increase in image size (who knows?), but understand that the reasoning for keeping the size limits as they are is not arbitrary. It's not just a matter of restricting use.

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 8:39 am 
 

Also, please don't upload animated logos.
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Antioch
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 9:34 pm 
 

Thanks Derigin.
Just uploaded another one, Azmodes, handling a recent report. =P
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Wol ... 3540303781
PM me if necessary, and I'll find a better way.
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Antioch
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 9:36 pm 
 

Hadn't seen your post Azmodes before I uploaded it. Just to be clear =D.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:29 am 
 

Some bands have distinct eras for different logos. What if there was a system to upload multiple logos, which could be viewed separately on the band page, possibly with a description? Take Immortal for example:

IMMORTAL
current logo, 1999-present [shown]
old logo, 1991-1999 [show]

By clicking the [show] the logo image would change. Metallica's would be something like:

METALLICA
classic logo, 1982-1996, 2008-present [shown]
Load/Reload-era, 1997-2000 [show]
St. Anger -era, 2003-2007 [show]

Of course this would be silly for bands who change their logos more often than their socks and have no distinct eras for them, and maybe this has been suggested before, but what the hell.

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:57 am 
 

It's been suggested before for pictures in general and it's on the to-program list (I think/hope).
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