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Acuna
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:47 pm 
 

Hello! It's not a secret, that there's a big need at Batushka lyrics. In case of we don't have it for a long time, Russian fans started to decipher it by their ears, and all of them was added to MA: http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Batushka/Litourgiya/546258 But it's absolutely thrash: many parts are absent, many words are incorrect, because it was distinguished by ears and written on old-slavonic, not modern Russian. Ektenia I is mixed with VI in generally, and so on. I think it must be a careful control for users, who register and add this crap at MA to get a scores.

Now we have an correct Batushka lyrics from originals. How can I put it to you to change it on the correct one? It's on MS Word docx format because of having many accents. Does MA can process accents in lyrics? Thanks.

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OpsiusCato
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:51 pm 
 

Well, I'm gonna go ahead and erase the wrong lyrics. How did you get a hold of the official ones? If they are indeed officials, you can go ahead and add them.
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~Guest 290927
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:50 am 
 

The crap lyrics should be deleted. I once downloaded the scanned digipak for lyrics transcription, but the digipak does not contain lyrics at all. The band members' names are on three pages of the digipak, each page contains a drawing and some texts in Cyrillic (probably not Russian), and these texts are clearly not the lyrics. For example, the text on Варфоломей's page reads: "Се бо истину возлюбилем... "

Anyway, the trash lyrics are gone. But where do the ORIGINAL lyrics you referred to come from?

Plus, user BlackMephistopheles added the wrong lyrics back after OpsiusCato deleted them, and I deleted the wrong lyrics again. A moderator should tell him not to reinstall the lyrics.

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~Guest 104167
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 3:26 pm 
 

Batushka lyrics on this album are just mixed fragments from orthodox prayers and liturgical texts. It's Church Slavonic language, not Russian. Technically these lyrics can be typed in modern Cyrillic - I mean the Russian alphabet of 33 letters that we use today - but added (now erased) lyrics are not official and not very accurate (recognized by ears). Good decision not to keep it.
If Acuna has official lyrics from the band it would be nice to add it.

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OpsiusCato
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 3:57 pm 
 

Thanks for deleteing them again, Snow Listener. User warned as well.
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~Guest 290927
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 2:44 pm 
 

A question long ago popped up again in my mind: Is Литоургиіа a word in Church Slavonic? The album cover prints the title in Cyrillic as "Литоургиіа", and I believe Litourgiya is not a word in Polish.

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~Guest 104167
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2016 7:15 pm 
 

Almost. It is... bad Church Slavonic. If you want the correct word it is:

Image

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~Guest 290927
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 5:38 am 
 

Литꙋргіѧ Holy shit. Where did you find it? Or you undestand the language?! :bow:

I'm gonna add this info later to the additional notes. But the fourth letter ꙋ is quite obsolete, and most common fonts don't support it.

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~Guest 104167
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 12:58 pm 
 

Online Church Slavonic - Russian dictionary :) I don't know the language as good as my native Russian but I can understand about 75% of the words because they are very close or equal to Russian. Church Slavonic has more in common with Bulgarian and Bulgarian is the closest language to Russian.

The fourth letter of the title is "Uk" and it has the following variations: Image

The last letter of the correct Church Slavonic word differs from the title's letter. The band used Image and correct letter is Image. They have the same pronuncation "ya", that's why you can do a mistake if you try to imitate Church Slavonic like the band did with the title :) I'm not sure that the word "Батюшка" exists in Church Slavonic and how to write it correct.

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~Guest 290927
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 8:01 pm 
 

Which mark-up language does MA's main site use? Basically, I want to force the browser to display the word Литꙋргіѧ in Segoe UI (most other fonts, including Chrome's default fonts, don't support the 4th letter). I tried something like <font face="Segoe UI">Литꙋргіѧ</font> and <p style="font-family: Segoe UI">Литꙋргіѧ</p> in the additional notes, but neither worked.

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TheOneWhoWaits
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 4:12 am 
 

Haha. The nineties called and wanted their Norwegian back.

On topic, there is a Uk that is less troublesome with browsers. "ѹ". Deprecated in recent Unicode, but seems to be better supported still.
("Литѹргіѧ" gives only a couple of hits with Google, so it could not be correct then? Old Cyrillic is all Greek to me. aeternus1990: of course you have found a tr00 auldeschool Old Church Slavonic dictionary? ;-) )

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~Guest 104167
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 2:24 pm 
 

In that dictionary "Uk" as ѹ appears only as the first letter. For example: Image

Old Cyrillic alphabet based on Greek and has all the letters, so they are very similar.

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TheOneWhoWaits
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 1:05 pm 
 

OK ... please excuse me while I go starting my new band серафими многоꙮчитїи
That should keep the Metal Archives busy for some time :-)

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~Guest 290927
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 6:49 am 
 

Then MA will reject your band for being too assholic. :lol:

Seriously, there are more fonts that support ꙮ (multiocular o) than ꙋ (Uk). I even did a two-day research to figure out how to let chrome and other browsers display uncommon unicode characters nicely (at least without boxes if you have supporting fonts), but I could not find a solution.

The thing is that, suppose there is a crazy webpage that lists all unicode characters (~110,000), and suppose I have a crazy collection of fonts that jointly cover every single one of the codepoints. It there any way, maybe through complex configuration of windows and browser, to display all characters correctly?

I even tried to merge many fonts to obtain a font with as many unicode characters as possible, but (1) for some reason, the merged font won't generate at all (2) there is an upper limit number of characters any OpenType font could contain, roughly 65,000, so there is no way to cram all unicode into one font (3) as some online post suggests, even if I succeed in merging two fonts, many font properties will be lost, so the merged font will be very ugly. So unless you are a font designer, just don't bother.

Fuck, I just felt a pain in my ass.

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Derigin
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 10:53 am 
 

What... what is going on in here? :scratch: :P
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Acuna
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:00 pm 
 

Hello everybody! I'm so sorry to forget to answer you all!

OpsiusCato,
Well, I think, there's need in a small explanation: it's official, but got by the unofficial way) Yep)

Snow Listener,
I can add it when I'll find a free time, there's no problem, but I want to think that it won't be removed again.

TheOneWhoWaits
Please keep in mind, that ꙮ is only the artificial version of Cyrillic "o" and was created to show that Seraphim have many eyes ("о-многоокая" letter means "o-many-eyes". "o" is similar as eye), so correctly type is simply "серафими многоочитїи".

aeternus1990
Yes, the word "Батюшка" exists in Church Slavonic and uses in address to priest (diminutive-hypocoristic of "father"). There's a error on MA at its pronunciation. We pronounce it as "Bat'ushka" ("t" is very soft, very!), not "Batjushka". We don't have words with "ju" after concordants, it's only your pronunciation with accent, sorry ;) "u" is always pronounce as "u", as it pronounce in word "use" for example, not "ju" or something like this, and letter before it always pronounce very soft.

And for everybody:

"Литꙋргіѧ" is the right writting. "Литꙋргіꙗ" writting is allowed too. "ѧ" is the older version of "ꙗ" and using only in Church Slavonic today. In old slavonic it was changed at "ꙗ" later. It's all similar and pronounce as "ya" in English. In Modern Russian we use an "я" letter which is pronounce as "ya" too. "ꙋ" pronounce as "u" at English, but more strong. Yes, we have a power of vowels too))) So in Modern Russian it writes as "Литургия". As you see, our alphabet hasn't undergone essential changes, only writing of letters has changed later, but so small.

P. S. And yes, we use an "Church Slavonic" title very seldom, because there's no language with this title, it's simply Old Slavonic with some artificial church slang words, not a separate language. We prefer to use an "Old Slavonic" title instead.


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OpsiusCato
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:09 pm 
 

If you're kind enough to explain us how you got a hold of the official lyrics, we'd be delighted.
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Acuna
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:11 pm 
 

OpsiusCato
Well... Can I PM you? Because it's not a public info.

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OpsiusCato
Mexican Metal Inquisition

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:12 pm 
 

Sure, go ahead.
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Uncolored, on being a law-abiding citizen wrote:
I'm going to an illegal AnarchoPunkfest in an abandoned disco near a beach. If I'm not here tomorrow look for me in jail.
PhiloFrog, making accurate statements as usual, wrote:
Opsius is Metal as fuck.

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TheOneWhoWaits
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2016 12:06 pm 
 

Acuna wrote:
TheOneWhoWaits
Please keep in mind, that ꙮ is only the artificial version of Cyrillic "o" and was created to show that Seraphim have many eyes ("о-многоокая" letter means "o-many-eyes". "o" is similar as eye), so correctly type is simply "серафими многоочитїи".


Oh, but there is nothing more metal than umlauts that are merely decorations and not real umlauts :-D

(Now playing: Motꙮrhead's March ꙮr Die)

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Lissart
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:10 am 
 

I think I've got lyrics for Yekteniya 1. Should I add them or will I get warned?

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Acuna
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:29 am 
 

TheOneWhoWaits,
Ahah, yeah!)))

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Acuna
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:31 am 
 

Lissart,
I think you have not. It's not distributed separatedly, only in one document and only hand by hand among Russia.

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Lissart
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:35 am 
 

I don't understand Russian, so check them:

Восприят Израиля отрока Своего, помЯнути в милости, яко же глагола ко отцем нашим, Аврааму и семени его.

Помилуй себе,
по велице милОсти моей,
по множеству щЕдрот своих .
ОчищУ беззаконие свое.

Наипаче омый себя от беззакония твоего,
и от греха твоего очищу тебя

ВосприЯт ИзрАиля отрока своего,
помЯнути милости...

.Скрим: Про беззаконие я твое знаю, и грех твой ... есть выну. Меня ... ?воцарилась?.
И лу-ка-во-е ?покаяние? сотворилось; як(о) опрАвдишься во словесах моих.

Восприят Израиле отрока Своего,
(И победою, Ты меня обвиняешь)
Помянут в милости...
Помянут в милости...
(И победою - Ты внЕгда судишь Мя)

Окропиши Мя иссопом, и очищуся.
Ныне и присно и Вовеки Веков.
(И победою - Ты внЕгда судишь Мя)
Окропиши Мя иссопом, и очищуся,
Ныне и присно и Вовеки Веков.

Аминь †

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Acuna
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 9:49 am 
 

Ah yes, thanks, I wanted to ask to show it) It's first prebeta version which Russians recognized by his ears, it's correct about 70% or something like this. I don't think that MA accept this version, because there's more correct version, which I send them and they checking it with Russian admins. But I think it's take them the long time)))

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OpsiusCato
Mexican Metal Inquisition

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:40 pm 
 

The lyrics were provided to me by Acuna, yes. I'm yet to pass them to Russian-speaking staffers so they check the accuracy of them, yes.

Still, no lyrics should be added, since there's, as of now, nothing verified from any official source.
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