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pale_horse
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:41 am 
 

Created by music technologists using software to study a Krallice album and reproduce one in its style.

https://theoutline.com/post/2556/this-frostbitten-black-metal-album-was-created-by-an-artificial-intelligence
https://dadabots.bandcamp.com/album/coditany-of-timeness
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Last edited by Azmodes on Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:53 am, edited 1 time in total.
I've made the thread title more clear.

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:57 am 
 

haha, now that's an interesting one.

I see two main arguments against adding it.

1) From what the description of the process says, this is basically a chopped-up and rearranged version of a Krallice album, hence not an original work.

2) Looking at it from a less technical perspective, as in whether this would be in the interest of this encyclopaedia to document at all, I don't think it's appropriate. There is no conscious intent behind the music, it's not the directed product of an artist, let alone a band in any sense of the word, but a scientific experiment conducted by humans inputting something into an algorithm and producing an output. Neural net or not, I don't think we're yet at the point where it warrants debate whether an AI can creatively produce something by itself that belongs on MA as a metal band. One might object that the human experimenters technically qualify as the artists here, but that leads us back to 1) as well as hardly constituting a valid entry from a "common sense"/"gut feeling" etc. viewpoint.

That being said, a more original version of this might qualify as an exceptional oddity worth including within our scope, but not sure. Exciting times!
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pale_horse
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:38 pm 
 

Is there a way to tell if something has already been submitted and rejected?
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PaganiusI
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:22 pm 
 

I was about to ask the exact same question.
As soon as programs write their own songs from scratch and computers hang around in the basement to practice for a gig, I'll ask that question again.

The better question is, why did they use the worst album of Krallice? :D
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tomcat_ha
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:48 pm 
 

we will see more of this in the future though. At some point these neural networks will be capable enough to take in many black metal albums and create something based on that.

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Regenschein
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:33 am 
 

Saw the article, came here to see if it's already thrown in for discussion, was not disappointed.

However, I wouldn't agree on Azmodes' first point: machine learning (in this case by an artifical neural net) aims to create an output based on an input by detecting and following patterns (= it gets trained by feeding it data). So, a band that gets its inspiration by only one other band/album would basically follow the same rules when recording an own album. Totally agreed on 2.), though.

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:08 am 
 

That's true, Regenschein, point taken.
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