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Lord_Sauron
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 1:45 pm 
 

About a decade ago, several Soviet bands were deleted because their only releases were "magnitoalbums" (tape-to-tape) releases. Since then, some rules were changed (for example, the one with digital releases) and as much as I can see, "tape-to-tape" is listed among available release formats. Maybe some of those bands should be reconsidered?

Some of the bands were since re-submitted and accepted:
Монте-Кристо (Monte-Cristo): https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/%D ... 3540436408
Стайер (Stayer) (OK, they released two new EPs, but their old releases are still listed) https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/%D ... 3540411055
Вой (Voy) (when the album was "officially" released, but the release date is still 1991): https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/%D ... 3540345620


Sleazer777 wrote:
All Russian Demo stage bands from 198... - 1990 should be deleted.Reason - NO PHYSICAL COPIES.At that time bands for sure had recordings,but that's it.No Demos were produced because all metalheads just re-recorded these records and spread SELFMADETAPES amongst Heavy Metal circles.Just a few people due to isolation knew who the hell DEMO TAPE is.And most of them were in Baltic States at that time.

Bands list :

MONTE CRISTO
STAYER
DUBL-1
99%
KNOCK-OUT
METALLOBOL
KONSUL
Vidneyutsya Dyrki V Noskah
Knyaz Serebryany
KREMATOR
AZIMUT
VOJ
The Embowel
KAPELLA



Also, this band was deleted for the same reason:
https://web.archive.org/web/20100108183 ... p?id=86558

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Lord_Sauron
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:52 pm 
 

Almost two weeks without a reply, so I am bumping this one.

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Derigin
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:18 pm 
 

Must've missed this one. I've brought it up for staff discussion. Will report back soon.
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Derigin
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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2020 10:00 am 
 

We spoke about this at length and agree that this format and its distribution methods, given the historical context and limitations of the scene at that time, are acceptable. By all appearances this system of distribution was officially-sanctioned and encouraged by the bands, in lieu of reasonable alternative methods, so that seems fine given the circumstances. And, in the spirit of the Archives, it seems reasonable for us to consider these factors in our judgment of these projects.

Please feel free to submit such projects and provide a link to this thread (and my post) in your submission notes. Remember to please provide samples and any evidence otherwise about the projects if you can.

We regret that these projects were removed prematurely.
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Lord_Sauron
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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2020 4:54 pm 
 

Thank you for the reply, I'll add the bands tonight (if the queue list doesn't go over 300).

I'll give a listen to each of the bands in question, just to eliminate those that are obviously non-metal.

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Lord_Sauron
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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2020 8:58 pm 
 

I have submitted those not already re-submitted.

Apart from those I have listed in the introduction, the following are currently on the MA:
Нокаут (actually submitted by me): https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/%D ... 3540367987
Консул: https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/%D ... 3540340419
Князь Серебряный: https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/%D ... 3540368845
Крематор: https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/%D ... 3540334766
The Embowel: https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Th ... 3540352090

Металлобол is currently under consideration. It was submitted by another user 10 days ago.

I have Металлаккорд in my drafts until I find their album. It is described as speed metal in the review, but the only track available is hard rock.

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Muhammadabbadabba
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2020 1:55 pm 
 

Could somebody please explain these magnitoalbums / tape-to-tape releases? I'm not following at all.
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Lord_Sauron
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2020 6:17 pm 
 

Muhammadabbadabba wrote:
Could somebody please explain these magnitoalbums / tape-to-tape releases? I'm not following at all.


I'll try. Just before I start, here is the Wiki page is Russian: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0 ... 0%BE%D0%BC I don't know if Google-translate would be useful, but here it is anyway. I'll try to paraphrase what is written there, along with my own opinions.

Basically, in the USSR (and most other socialist states), there was one (or small amount) of labels, all of them run by the state. In the case of the Soviet Union, the label was Melodiya. As you can probably expect, it wasn't very open for releasing the material of harder rocking artists.

So, the only way to release an "official" album was to get signed to Melodiya label. There were no smaller, private labels, like they were in England or Germany. To somehow share their recording with other people, the "system" of magnitoalbums (tape-to-tape releases) was created. The band would record several instances of their albums and distribute it to a small group of people. Some of those people would copy the tape and distribute it to more people. It should be noted that this was encouraged by the bands.

For example, even the debut of the Soviet Union's most famous metal band Ария, titled Мания величия, was released this way, along with many, many others.

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Muhammadabbadabba
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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2020 11:09 am 
 

Lord_Sauron wrote:
So, the only way to release an "official" album was to get signed to Melodiya label. There were no smaller, private labels, like they were in England or Germany. To somehow share their recording with other people, the "system" of magnitoalbums (tape-to-tape releases) was created. The band would record several instances of their albums and distribute it to a small group of people. Some of those people would copy the tape and distribute it to more people. It should be noted that this was encouraged by the bands.

Fascinating. So it was similar to tape trading / mixtape / DIY tapes but officially sanctioned by the bands? Are there any photos of magnitoalbums in their original format?
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Lord_Sauron
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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2020 12:38 pm 
 

Muhammadabbadabba wrote:
Lord_Sauron wrote:
So, the only way to release an "official" album was to get signed to Melodiya label. There were no smaller, private labels, like they were in England or Germany. To somehow share their recording with other people, the "system" of magnitoalbums (tape-to-tape releases) was created. The band would record several instances of their albums and distribute it to a small group of people. Some of those people would copy the tape and distribute it to more people. It should be noted that this was encouraged by the bands.

Fascinating. So it was similar to tape trading / mixtape / DIY tapes but officially sanctioned by the bands? Are there any photos of magnitoalbums in their original format?


I agree. Here, you can see one of the more professional "magnitoalboms" (somewhere in the middle): http://www.e-e.eu/Aquarium/index1.htm

You might see somewhere that is was released on АнТроп label. However, the label officially formed much later. At this time, they simply made a kind of magnitoalboms, but they had access to printers and actually had covers. "True" magnitoalboms, logically, never had covers, and would look something like this: https://auction.ru/offer/lenta_bobina_z ... 72409.html

There are also two issues with them, as with the pass of time, some of those albums might be mislabelled or might exist in different variations (the band probably decided to change the tracklist a bit with the new songs recorded). I am always in doubt if those should be added as variations of one album or the two different albums, but I guess it's less important, as all of them were doubtlesly released by bands and not a bootleg or unauthorized copy in any way.

The second issue might represent bigger problem. For example, it is very probable that the first two Дубль-1's (Dubl-1) albums were actually recorded by their FUTURE members before the band was formed and are usually listed as "Elena Sokolova, Konstantin Undrov and the band Dubl-1". They feature radically different sound than their EP released later, but are still sometimes listed in their discography. Somebody listening only to those albums might conclude that the sound present on those two releases represents their true sound, which is far from truth.

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