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MRmehman
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:33 pm 
 

How do the admins feel about "war metal" as a genre? Will it be acceptable on Metal Archives at some point? I've found it's a widely accepted term outside of the archives (RYM, Bandcamp) and there's a good number of notable bands who identify themselves using the term, though it can be difficult to define at times. I'm interested to hear what senior MA members/staff have to say about this.
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Auselesspileofflesh
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2021 8:37 pm 
 

I've always put bands under the "War Metal" tag under the rawer death/black/thrash hybrids. I've never felt it to be a legitimate sub-genre, more so "kvlt" metallers trying to be more "kvlt".

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Goatfangs
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:52 pm 
 

I remember a long time ago, Cannibal Corpse was listed here as "Gore metal", and in many ways, that is an apt description. Gore metal is death metal about gory subjects. But what else defines it and separates it from death metal outside of lyrical content?

Pornogrind and Goregrind seem to be labeled based on lyrical content, but it should also be noted that both genres (which, because I haven't really explored much of, I kinda see them as the same thing) got a nickname after a particular musical style first developed. Gurgled vocals, noisy riffs (if there even any) and endless gravity blasts dominate many of the bands of either genre.

War metal kinda has its own shtick going on, but musically it is (typically raw) black metal with varying degrees of thrash and death metal. I think it is differentiated from "blackened death metal", which is death metal with black metal elements. Compare late Behemoth to Blasphemy or Archgoat. Goatwhore has a crisp production with sludge influenced riffs, rather than raw blasting brutality.

But I admit, it would be amusing to see a band labeled "Raw War Metal"
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NurseWitchWound
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 14, 2021 3:17 pm 
 

War metal is just a distinct type of playing Black/Death Metal. It can't be anything outside of these except the occasional Grind also. Same with 'Slam' but I don't know why it's recently been added as a genre because it's the same as Brutal Death Metal but it's just a certain style of playing that relies on constant chugging, no skankbeats, deep gutturals and shit production, but most the "slam" bands today aren't slam in the slightest, a lot of them are just straight up deathcore, especially some of the shit bands labelled as "slam" on this site.
Might as well start adding more stupid 00s BM terms like "Black Metal/Norsecore" on Dark Funeral and Marduk's pages or "Symphonic Black Metal/FAGGOTH" on Dimmu Borgir, CoF and Ancient's pages.

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tomcat_ha
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 14, 2021 7:39 pm 
 

war metal is a bit like nwobhm, not really a genre but also clearly a distinct thing. Its not just black/death either its more a direct continuation of 80s hodgepodge extreme metal with some bands leaning more towards death metal and some more to thrash or grind. The question is whats the difference between style, movement and subgenre?

imo it would help if MA started recognizing it as a distinct movement because it would make things more clear.

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Goatfangs
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:58 pm 
 

Slam is definitely a distinct style, and I don't really see it as being like deathcore, although there are a lot of slam bands that use deathcore/hardcore elements. I think the addition of this tag greatly depended on users filing reports on bands known to play some form of slam.

If War Metal is accepted as a genre tag, the same process would be necessary.

The site used to label certain bands as "Mallcore", which isn't really a genre but rather a derisive nickname for "Nu Metal". I think I argued for the switch of terms to "Nu Metal" because it would present a neutral POV on the band pages.
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lord_ghengis
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 6:22 am 
 

Nah, it's just a little short hand pseudo sub-sub genre, not unlike norsecore or torture doom. A term that makes sense when realllllyyy drilling down to groupings in active discussion between the knowledgable, but not worth chucking up there as the official genre. It's just a very narrow flavour of black/thrash/death metal. I'd say it's probably the closest to getting that status, but isn't really worth it, the consistent genre tag and similar artist tab does the trick.
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funeralravens
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 12:56 pm 
 

I personally believe that war metal should be a separate subgenre rather than just black/death metal. The reason for this is because war metal has nothing to do with black metal. War metal is a mixture of death metal and the first wave of black metal, which is a subgenre of thrash metal and not proper black metal.

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OuTbREaKRT
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:52 pm 
 

We already have a bunch of war metal on the database, it's just that the term "bestial black metal" seems to be preferred here.

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Axel666MoWi
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2021 10:09 am 
 

I don't know about "war metal" but "war black metal" should definitely be something. I created a topic some years ago about this. War Black Metal could be the "brutal death metal" of black metal. To be honest I hardly see how we can just put Burzum and Marduk (for example) under the same tag which is just "black metal".
On the archives the genre "medieval black metal" exists, but what is it supposed to mean? How can this be a thing and not "war black metal" which would actually be defined by some real and concrete elements. To me Medieval Black Metal is only related to the lyrics/visuals... It's like adding as a tag nsbm, rabm, unblack or some things like satanic black metal. Plus there's only 50 bands under this tag, and some I would have guessed to be are not.

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tomcat_ha
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 4:39 pm 
 

there are def a few war metal bands that are more death metal leaning or grindcore leaning than black metal though

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funeralravens
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2021 1:51 pm 
 

tomcat_ha wrote:
there are def a few war metal bands that are more death metal leaning or grindcore leaning than black metal though

Most war metal bands actually have more in common with death metal and thrash metal rather than real black metal bands like Burzum, Darkthrone, Mayhem, etc. The sound is completely different. To lump it into the same group as bands who fuse real black metal with death metal is ridiculous.
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I don't know about "war metal" but "war black metal" should definitely be something. I created a topic some years ago about this. War Black Metal could be the "brutal death metal" of black metal. To be honest I hardly see how we can just put Burzum and Marduk (for example) under the same tag which is just "black metal".
On the archives the genre "medieval black metal" exists, but what is it supposed to mean? How can this be a thing and not "war black metal" which would actually be defined by some real and concrete elements. To me Medieval Black Metal is only related to the lyrics/visuals... It's like adding as a tag nsbm, rabm, unblack or some things like satanic black metal. Plus there's only 50 bands under this tag, and some I would have guessed to be are not.

Marduk is not war metal, they are just black metal that happens to be really brutal. I don't think brutal black metal deserves to be a separate genre.
As for medieval black metal, I think it's a real thing, but some bands belonging to this subgenre for some reason lack the tag. Obsequiae is pretty much the biggest band in this subgenre, but the mods for some reason stubbornly refuse to give them the genre they deserve.

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tomcat_ha
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2021 2:01 pm 
 

Maybe if you consider Norwegian bm the only purely BM sound but I think thats just a strain of bm that just really blew up.

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