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Witcher
Metal freak

Joined: Wed Aug 18, 2004 8:27 am
Posts: 7145
Location: Czech Republic
PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:25 am 
 

I have recntly tried to correct some of the hundreds of reports , which were untouched for more than six months., and suddently I get a critical warning?
For the record, I first have read the mmessage form Azmodes today, since I did not get any e-mail noticication bou it, so I did not know, that such message even exists.
As for both band, I have changed fthe lyrical to pics first after reading carefully thoruhg the band's lyrics and thingking about the musician's arguments in the case of Askival
The lyricas , in fact, do not contain any explicit mentin of ns ideology, its principles or racism.
They do contain some suggestive imagery as white wolves or black sun, which the musician acknowldeges in his send report on the topic, but to desribe it as national socialism is not really fitting imo. Those images were probably used to please the label's onwner, but thati's just my guess.
To explian, I myself have stong aanfifascist bebeliefs, but I am at the sme time against withc hunts and assumptions. The matter of lyirical topics shold be appraoched with a cold head and big catuion imo.

As for Adamos Exul, the situation is more cxlear cut imo in this case. TTheyhave only one song with anantisemitic content, which was written by their former vocalost. The other lyrics on their albus are unproblematical. The lyrical filed should ocontain only the typical or predominant lyrical topics bon the releases, and antiantisemitism is not one of them, since it eas used in oly one song.
Their current vocalist and the rest of band members distance themselves openly form fascism, and should not be constatnly mocked for their stustupidity of their former vvocalist. Same situation with Böhse Onkelz, where some people still do not understand, that band is not racist and its member are deeply ashmed for the tow anti-Turkish songs, which they have written in their demo days. They have since supported antifaantifascist actions, pplayd at concerts against racism and even give part of their income to the victims of racist violence. Sshouldn't they be forgive? Shouldn't Adamos Exul be forgiven for the stupidity of their old vocalist. The issue owith the song is already mentioned in the additonal notes, why to include it in their lyrics, when it's not their rtypicaltopic?
As for the warning on the page, I do not see it, becuase I'm blid, which I hav metmentioned a cocccouple of times, but you seen to forget that constantly. I can't see such message, especially if it is hidden under the "Read more" button, which usually do not wowork for me. The site is not exactly user firendly toblind opeople, besides the "Read more" problem, I hav touble iwth displaying Related links, lat line-up and other sections. To display one of these, I have to click on it, but that displays nothing. I have to to press Escape, reutn to another menu pont, reoutn on the sub category, click on it and press Escape again, and then the page finally gest displayed. I am facing such difficulties each day, but somsome of the staff were agaain very quckly to presume the worst abou me, to wto give way to their prejudices and bias, as already several times before, qhich is quite sad.
So I apologize for changing the lyrical topics without discussion,but i beg to differ to your approach and assumptions.

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HellBlazer
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Joined: Sat Aug 10, 2002 6:48 am
Posts: 2119
Location: Canada
PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2021 11:54 am 
 

Interesting move to take a final warning and drag it into the public, but OK...

We're well aware that you're blind. You've reacted to site messages in the past, so it was reasonably assumed that you could read them. The warning on the band is not hidden at all. It's at the very top of the form. I can't claim to know precisely how your screen reader works, but one would think that it reads the text on the page starting from the top, so the warning should be the very first thing there after the band name.

As for the lyrical themes, that's just not your judgment call to make. The field is also commonly used to warn about controversial themes, and shouldn't be white-washed on request without a discussion. In the case of Adamus Exul, for instance, yes, they "only" have the one song about killing Jews with quotes from Mein Kampf, apparently written by a former member... Should they be forgiven? That's up to each individual to decide for themselves. We provide a note explaining the situation for that purpose, but we won't erase the past.

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Witcher
Metal freak

Joined: Wed Aug 18, 2004 8:27 am
Posts: 7145
Location: Czech Republic
PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:15 pm 
 

Jst a few things.
I couldn't read a messge m because I did not get a e-mail notification about it.I hhave reponded to messages i was notified about in the past or which I have found randonly in the My messages folder I do not check the my Messages folder often, so there are not so much messages anyway, contrary to what you have ssaid in you final message.my bbrowser really did not read that message, when I was moving across the site., believe it or not. I have named other example of the blind unfriendly enginnne, but you did not
The situation with Adamus Xul is the same as with the Swedish black metal band War, yet nobody proposes a change int heir lyrical topics:
https://second.wiki/wiki/war_metal-band

You know, I would be very, very glad, if I culd read that message on the page. , but I can't . A blind man can't see, you kn ow.
So no change in your postion? I could have expected that. You and the other staff mamembers are sumply unable to understand my situation, you show anan abssolute lack of empathy and rerespond to it at all.
The problem of the Ausralian band is the same as is with black metal band War, yet nobody proposes to add racism to their lyrics, presumably, becuse it was explined afterwards by Blackmoon.
And Iit's nnot my call? When I was a moderatorr, you were listening to my opnion and even accepting some of my suggestions. What has changed? I am now a "mere" user, enen blid to it.

Apparently only a modrator/site owner possesses anand ultimate level in all sience and education, including politology , extremism, language knowledge /The name of the Czech band Zajetí kouře) was wongly capilacacacapitalized, because a moderator thought it was a matter of choice, not the Czech grammar and so on.

TYout assumpton, that I culd see the message, is not abolutely out of place, but it shws something about you and the other moderators, who have used such remarks in the past. It shows, that you are abolutely not in place to maralize anybody, along with theo other staff members, who support such approach.
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I really do not wish you or anobody , you or other staff members , to be in my situation. Really not. Five minutes of this experinnece, and you would talk differently.

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HellBlazer
Metalhead

Joined: Sat Aug 10, 2002 6:48 am
Posts: 2119
Location: Canada
PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:15 am 
 

OK, let's get the smaller details out of the way first.

I'll readily admit that the site message system is not always reliable. You have responded to it before, though, and there has never been an email notification for it, messages just show up on the page (to be clear, I'm speaking about messages on the main site here, not forum PM's). Just a random example I see on your profile: at some point last year, Paganius asked you via site message to create a report about a certain expired link, and you did so the very next day. So it's not such a wild idea for us to think you could read them without issue. But fine, it's not far-fetched that you could miss some as well.

Now, the band warning, though. The text for it is just simply on the page, you don't need to click anything and there's no special loading mechanic like in some other places on the site. We've asked someone else who uses a screen reader and they could have the warning spoken out just fine. I just tested two different screen readers myself, and they could read the warning. So I don't know if it's some issue with the particular software you're using, or if you just skipped ahead on the page too quickly, but the warning messages should be perfectly viewable. Yes, your condition is tragic, but if you want to work on a project like this one, it's also on you to use the appropriate tools and methodologies to be able to do so correctly.

As for the bands, why even bring up War from Sweden? You know very well that there are 150,000 bands on the site and that it's pretty much impossible to have a perfectly uniform standard across all of them. Couldn't it be that no one here ever bothered to look into their lyrics? They're hardly a famous band. But no, apparently it has to be a double standard that proves you were right all along!

Which brings us to the main point. While your recent edits on Adamus Exul and other bands in similar situations have been very frustrating for moderators and caused me to reach out to you, that's not really the actual core of the issue here. The problem all along is always, well, the attitude you exhibited by creating this very thread. I sent you a private message basically warning you that you're on very thin ice. And what do you do? You create a public thread as a response, filled with... well, the exact same stuff you always say whenever someone tells you to stop doing what you're doing. "No, I should be doing this, actually! I know better than you what should be on the site! You all don't respect me. Why is everybody against me?" Etcetera, etcetera. It's always the same thing. And you've been talked to about this attitude before, but it doesn't change. You keep saying we're prejudiced against your blindness, and don't respect all you've done, and such. Has it occurred to you that the only reason this has been tolerated up to now and you've been given so many chances is because we sympathize with your condition, and acknowledge your past work on the site? Any new user who comes in here with that attitude and always argues about everything would get tossed out quite quickly.

I normally wouldn't say this next part in public, but hey, you're the one who decided to air this out here. So you seem to think that you're a great user and it's the mod team who keeps getting in your way. Well, let me be very blunt: you're pretty much the most complained about user in the staff chat. Nearly every day, there's something new. "Witcher is mini-modding again. Witcher is making useless reports that take up our time. Witcher is submitting a bunch of borderline bands. Witcher is being a dick in some thread. Witcher is setting the wrong example for new users. Witcher is whitewashing band info on request," and so on. Oh, certainly none of that is unique to you, but all of it at once, and so frequently? That's a lot. Even regular users notice. It's been going on for a long time, and there's that attitude every time you're approached. Patience is running out. Well, patience has been running out. It's come to the point where the majority of mods wants to ban you, saying it's just not worth the trouble anymore. The same old attitude displayed once again in this very thread swayed some. And the only reason you're not banned right now is because I kept advocating for you until now. But... I guess I'm done with that. I mean, you don't change or improve, you're always hostile when called out, it's always not your fault, you're always playing the victim. So why bother?

So there's the truth of the matter. There won't be even the tiniest amount of tolerance for any of it now, so I'd suggest to think about if you want to continue on this site, and to consider your next interactions very carefully.

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