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Reaper43
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:00 pm 
 

Alright look as I have already clearly stated Hellyeah was not accepted for being a side-project it was accepted based on the merits of their music. Musically they sit somewhere between modern heavy metal and southern groove with traces of nu-metal. The music was reviewed and mod decision was made that Hellyeah was acceptable, no other mod contested the decision so they remain here. If you had read what Witcher posted for you to look at you would know that. The only track on their full-length that was considered to be almost pure nu-metal was track 4 as such the album as a majority is considered metal. Yes the vocals are horrible and akin to nu-metal but that alone is not enough to discredit the bands place here. What is acceptable here is not judged based on one aspect of the music but the package as a whole.

Is that explanation more to your liking?
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:01 pm 
 

Reaper43 wrote:
Alright look as I have already clearly stated Hellyeah was not accepted for being a side-project it was accepted based on the merits of their music. Musically they sit somewhere between modern heavy metal and southern groove with traces of nu-metal. The music was reviewed and mod decision was made that Hellyeah was acceptable, no other mod contested the decision so they remain here. If you had read what Witcher posted for you to look at you would know that. The only track on their full-length that was considered to be almost pure nu-metal was track 4 as such the album as a majority is considered metal. Yes the vocals are horrible and akin to nu-metal but that alone is not enough to discredit the bands place here.

Is that more to explanation more to your liking?


Thanks a lot for this summary. ;)

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Reaper43
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:03 pm 
 

Ah well I figure you must get tired of repeating yourself.
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DGYDP
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:07 pm 
 

Ok, a lot of people responded to my initial question with "side project" and when I did a search, most of the results were also "side project".

If somebody could have just kindly replied that they were accepted because they are metal enough and NOT because it's a side project (like other people said) that would have been enough! No need from drama or anything :p

Next time I am in doubt I wont ask for help anymore. Don't worry. Doing something like that is clearly a horrible crime.

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Reaper43
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:12 pm 
 

You can't be serious, one person (who is not a moderator, and has no clue what they are talking about) replied saying it was a side project. He also discredited himself immediately by saying it was a side project of Phil Anselmo. If you had read the next three posts you would notice both myself and Witcher saying it is not in any way a side-project.
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:12 pm 
 

DGYDP wrote:
Ok, a lot of people responded to my initial question with "side project" and when I did a search, most of the results were also "side project".

If somebody could have just kindly replied that they were accepted because they are metal enough and NOT because it's a side project (like other people said) that would have been enough! No need from drama or anything :p

Next time I am in doubt I wont ask for help anymore. Don't worry. Doing something like that is clearly a horrible crime.


Now, to force me to repeat what has been said 500 times before and not using the simplest site facility like the one below before asking is a "forum crime" here, if you want it to be called like that.
http://www.metal-archives.com/board/search.php

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DGYDP
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:19 pm 
 

Ok let's just stop this nonsense.

As I said before, I DID use the search button and I DID notice your replies. How am I supposed to know what the right answer is if most of the "answers" I checked were different ones. How should I know who to believe? I'm new here so I don't know who's response is more likely to be valid to the other.

I repeat, it's my mistake. But I still don't think you should blame me because most sources provided different answers to my question. Thus, it's only a normal thing to do to ask for confirmation.

Please, let's just stop talking about this ridiculous matter. If you have anything to say, please do so in pm, because clearly I hijacked this thread for too long.

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Nightgaunt
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 12:24 am 
 

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 7:03 am 
 

I have deleted Estoestamal - hc/grind.

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Reaper43
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 9:06 am 
 

Treadplague
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=101744

They did an online only split with Atavix which was removed from their page. Currently their are no links on there page and no additional releases so they should be removed.
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ralfman
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 2:33 pm 
 

The band Generation 666 seems to have no releases yet.It is stated on their myspace page that the 4 track promo "...is coming soon"

Cheers

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 2:53 pm 
 

ralfman wrote:
The band Generation 666 seems to have no releases yet.It is stated on their myspace page that the 4 track promo "...is coming soon"

Cheers

Deleted for now.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 4:57 pm 
 

I have deleted Tarot (Ita), most probanly not even a side project, but an ex-member project, in any case dark ambient with only a deno out.

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TheGrimWombat
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 8:15 pm 
 

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu ... =107976293

Birth of Tragedy doesn't sound metal to me...

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Mieresch
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Location: Romania
PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:56 am 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=25227
Ambient noise band, no label.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=17874
I don't think that a one-man band signed to a small label in Cyprus will have global distribution.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=48248
Don't really think this ever had any global distribution.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 9:20 am 
 

dust666 wrote:
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=25227
Ambient noise band, no label.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=17874
I don't think that a one-man band signed to a small label in Cyprus will have global distribution.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=48248
Don't really think this ever had any global distribution.

Deleted.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 9:29 am 
 

TheGrimWombat wrote:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=107976293

Birth of Tragedy doesn't sound metal to me...

Yes, alternative rock, influences:tool, deftones, deleted.

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ralfman
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 2:37 pm 
 

About Castrado Cadaver; rejected based on a review. I´ve found their myspace page . Grindcore , yes, but acceptable?

http://www.myspace.com/castradocadaver

cheers

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 2:43 pm 
 

ralfman wrote:
About Castrado Cadaver; rejected based on a review. I´ve found their myspace page . Grindcore , yes, but acceptable?

http://www.myspace.com/castradocadaver

cheers


O.k, submit it, it is still death/grind, but pretty terrible with no prodcution values whatsover, they must have recorded it in the sewer...

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ralfman
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 2:51 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
ralfman wrote:
About Castrado Cadaver; rejected based on a review. I´ve found their myspace page . Grindcore , yes, but acceptable?

http://www.myspace.com/castradocadaver

cheers


O.k, submit it, it is still death/grind, but pretty terrible with no prodcution values whatsover, they must have recorded it in the sewer...


:lol:

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Fanfarigoule
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Location: France
PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 2:50 pm 
 

I have deleted Infernal (Esp). It's actually the same band as http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=9596
They have just relocated to Spain.

Edit: also deleted November Death, no discography + nothing to be found on google.

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Carver
Metal newbie

Joined: Tue Aug 22, 2006 1:32 am
Posts: 140
PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 1:06 am 
 

molk15 wrote:
I have deleted Infernal (Esp). It's actually the same band as http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=9596
They have just relocated to Spain.

Edit: also deleted November Death, no discography + nothing to be found on google.


I think (Esp) should be changed to (Col)

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:45 am 
 

I have delted G-3, the sample songs on their page are only hardcore punk plus about two grunge songs, so I do not think they have ever played thrash.

Also deleted A Day Once Dead - rather commercial metalcore, which has hearable influences from Sevendust and Hed Pe in their music. Their most metal element is the soloing, which is at times in COB/Dragonforce style, but the songwriting as such is far less metal than Killswitch and similar bands.

http://www.myspace.com/adayoncedead

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Fanfarigoule
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Location: France
PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 5:28 pm 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=114832
Their demo seems to be just a re-release of the one issued under the Leprosy name. Does the bonus track make the difference?

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 5:44 pm 
 

molk15 wrote:
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=114832
Their demo seems to be just a re-release of the one issued under the Leprosy name. Does the bonus track make the difference?


Yes, now we have an official release with an exclusively Caustic Strike song.

To be sincere, I am still not entirely convinced, that double entries in all cases of name change are such a good idea.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:43 pm 
 

Reports for Unchariot


January 1st, 2008
Posted at 22:20

The genre isn't black metal, it should be changed to drone/ambient black metal instead. I had a misperception when I submitted the band. (This is the second time I have reported this)

Deleted, the user has reported it already in the past, it obviously is not metal and the user considers ambient/drone/industrial to be part of the metal scene :durr: (without knowledge of the side project rule)...unfortunately, he is not alone on this forum.

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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:46 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
Reports for Unchariot


January 1st, 2008
Posted at 22:20

The genre isn't black metal, it should be changed to drone/ambient black metal instead. I had a misperception when I submitted the band. (This is the second time I have reported this)

Deleted, the user has reported it already in the past, it obviously is not metal and the user considers ambient/drone/industrial to be part of the metal scene (without knowledge of the side project rule)...unfortunately, he is not alone on this forum.

http://www.metal-archives.com/board/vie ... 042#740042
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:48 pm 
 

oneyoudontknow wrote:
Witcher wrote:
Reports for Unchariot


January 1st, 2008
Posted at 22:20

The genre isn't black metal, it should be changed to drone/ambient black metal instead. I had a misperception when I submitted the band. (This is the second time I have reported this)

Deleted, the user has reported it already in the past, it obviously is not metal and the user considers ambient/drone/industrial to be part of the metal scene (without knowledge of the side project rule)...unfortunately, he is not alone on this forum.

http://www.metal-archives.com/board/vie ... 042#740042
:lol:


Yes, those are the rare cases, when asking on this forum would be actually preferred.

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Helvede
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:33 pm 
 

I just deleted the Mexican "band" Fisk Svans. Joke band, and the their demo was most likely never released.

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Fanfarigoule
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Location: France
PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 1:18 pm 
 

Deleted "The Roman Holiday": their release was just orderable and not released yet, no date is given on their site.

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Carver
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:13 pm 
 

First let me start by saying this, the band members may start complaining if their bands got removed saying that the release exist and so on (i would suggest asking a photo of the release). I am not interrested in removing those bands I am trying to follow the rules of the physical release I will try to state the case of each band alone (avoiding all Iranian bands wich the majority does not have any physical release except a cd-r most probably burned by fans and not for sale). Thanks.

Blaakyum:
Am I Black Single, 1998 (the only release listed)
This 2 songs single is recorded in a studio in a good way a physical released copy is questionable BIG TIME the only physical copies that might exist are cd-r burned by fans or band members. Band will soon release a "real" physical demo (date still unknown).

Librakh:
2 demo listed a physical released copy is questionable BIG TIME the only physical copies that might exist are cd-r burned by fans or band members (IF they even exist, possible bedroom/fictif band)

Medusa (Lbn):
1 Demo listed a physical released copy is questionable BIG TIME the only physical copies that might exist are cd-r burned by fans or band members (IF they even exist, possible bedroom/fictif band)

Scimitar (Lbn):
Demo exist as mp3 it was supposted to get released through the already defunct Ahriman Records only physical copies that might exist are cd-r burned by fans or band members. Band have a compilation track on a physically released album.

WhoreDom:
Demo surely exist as cd-r and circulating in many counties such as Lebanon, Canada... I myself recieved the demo as an audio tracks sent by Sadogoat himself a physical release other then the Cd-r (burned by fans or band members) is questionable.

There is much more of those band if you find my post "valid" and want me to post other bands you may tell me, if you will consider such releases enough to keep the bands in MA you may tell me to.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 12:02 pm 
 

I have deleted Sabatan (Swe), piano- core again:

Music consists of just synth, drums and vocals, no guitar or bass.

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SitraAhra
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 7:09 am 
 

Don't know why ATLANTA from France were accepted.They sounds like typical Rock band.Yesterday I've listened to allmost to all bands listed in Hard Rock section and selected just these who had realy Heavy Metal sound.It was not easy to do it coz all sound files last's jus 30 seconds,so I selectad ASTAROTH,FURIA and WKRX becuase their samples sounded like Heavy Metal.Thers's lots of Hard Rock stuff.Even Prog/Psychedelic hard rock.Do Dust666 bothered listen to samples? I have big doubts about it.
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Mieresch
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 7:32 am 
 

SitraAhra wrote:
Don't know why ATLANTA from France were accepted.They sounds like typical Rock band.Yesterday I've listened to allmost to all bands listed in Hard Rock section and selected just these who had realy Heavy Metal sound.It was not easy to do it coz all sound files last's jus 30 seconds,so I selectad ASTAROTH,FURIA and WKRX becuase their samples sounded like Heavy Metal.Thers's lots of Hard Rock stuff.Even Prog/Psychedelic hard rock.Do Dust666 bothered listen to samples? I have big doubts about it.

I did listen, it sounded like the black sabbath song "paranoid" to me.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 7:33 am 
 

SitraAhra wrote:
Don't know why ATLANTA from France were accepted.They sounds like typical Rock band.Yesterday I've listened to allmost to all bands listed in Hard Rock section and selected just these who had realy Heavy Metal sound.It was not easy to do it coz all sound files last's jus 30 seconds,so I selectad ASTAROTH,FURIA and WKRX becuase their samples sounded like Heavy Metal.Thers's lots of Hard Rock stuff.Even Prog/Psychedelic hard rock.Do Dust666 bothered listen to samples? I have big doubts about it.


This sounds to me like an early nwobhm style, those bands had a lot of seventies hard rock in them. The sample is short, but the style tag seems to be generally right.
This not far from Trust, not at all.

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Unholy_Asar
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Location: Sweden
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 7:50 am 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=23471
Aardia.

Listed as Ambient/black metal. After listening to most if their music, I comclude that they are as much black metal as my grandmother.

The music is 100% ambient, with no hearable black metal elements. It's made up entirely of synths (all listenable samples which seems to leave out only two songs).

Samples are availible on this site (except for two songs):
http://listen.to/aardia
As well as on their myspace:
http://www.myspace.com/aardia

If you read the bios they also always refer to themselves as dark ambient, with no mention of any black metal anywhere (that I can find at least).

They also don't seem to be a side project of anything, and even if they are, they don't seem to have a label and as such, no worldwide distrobution.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 7:53 am 
 

Unholy_Asar wrote:
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=23471
Aardia.

Listed as Ambient/black metal. After listening to most if their music, I comclude that they are as much black metal as my grandmother.

The music is 100% ambient, with no hearable black metal elements. It's made up entirely of synths (all listenable samples which seems to leave out only two songs).

Samples are availible on this site (except for two songs):
http://listen.to/aardia
As well as on their myspace:
http://www.myspace.com/aardia

If you read the bios they also always refer to themselves as dark ambient, with no mention of any black metal anywhere (that I can find at least).

They also don't seem to be a side project of anything, and even if they are, they don't seem to have a label and as such, no worldwide distrobution.

Thanks for your help, they will be deleted soon.

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Carver
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 8:00 am 
 

Witcher wrote:
SitraAhra wrote:
Don't know why ATLANTA from France were accepted.They sounds like typical Rock band.Yesterday I've listened to allmost to all bands listed in Hard Rock section and selected just these who had realy Heavy Metal sound.It was not easy to do it coz all sound files last's jus 30 seconds,so I selectad ASTAROTH,FURIA and WKRX becuase their samples sounded like Heavy Metal.Thers's lots of Hard Rock stuff.Even Prog/Psychedelic hard rock.Do Dust666 bothered listen to samples? I have big doubts about it.


This sounds to me like an early nwobhm style, those bands had a lot of seventies hard rock in them. The sample is short, but the style tag seems to be generally right.
This not far from Trust, not at all.


By the way there is other bands that sounds at least as heavy as Atlanta so I think someone may check them familiar with the sound

what about this band http://www.45toursderockfrancais.net/ro ... fee45t.htm
and this one http://www.45toursderockfrancais.net/ro ... sus45t.htm

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 8:12 am 
 

Carver wrote:
Witcher wrote:
SitraAhra wrote:
Don't know why ATLANTA from France were accepted.They sounds like typical Rock band.Yesterday I've listened to allmost to all bands listed in Hard Rock section and selected just these who had realy Heavy Metal sound.It was not easy to do it coz all sound files last's jus 30 seconds,so I selectad ASTAROTH,FURIA and WKRX becuase their samples sounded like Heavy Metal.Thers's lots of Hard Rock stuff.Even Prog/Psychedelic hard rock.Do Dust666 bothered listen to samples? I have big doubts about it.


This sounds to me like an early nwobhm style, those bands had a lot of seventies hard rock in them. The sample is short, but the style tag seems to be generally right.
This not far from Trust, not at all.


By the way there is other bands that sounds at least as heavy as Atlanta so I think someone may check them familiar with the sound

what about this band http://www.45toursderockfrancais.net/ro ... fee45t.htm
and this one http://www.45toursderockfrancais.net/ro ... sus45t.htm

Orfee is definitely metal, the second sample is unconvincing.

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Carver
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:29 am 
 

An expert with the genre should chech the page http://www.45toursderockfrancais.net/ro ... lehard.htm I did my best I am no an exper with such muric possible other acceptable bands may be found there.

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