Yes, you can resubmit.

I have deleted Evilion - no physical releases.

no release
Chumpy Steve
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540261343
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuse ... =341780908
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuse ... =287579741

first the label diappeared and the new one has not released it so far.
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http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=100791
http://www.myspace.com/coldasblood
The band is working hard on the first EP “Through the Eyes of the Victim”, featuring four songs.

except for a cover at their MA profile ... no info can be found.

BTR - deleted.

Already here as Beneath the Remains.

Reports for Jynx


November 29th, 2008
Posted at 15:58

Hello,now I have this strange record,because when I contacted one of band players son he said that he back as soon as possible with more corect info about band and recording.Go figure.Never ever hear from his guy again.Whatever...

JYNX(US,Williamsburg) - Unknown recordings 1985 (Might be Demo or EP)

Quite listenable early Heavy Metal/Hard Rock influenced by RAINBOW or RUSH.


From Thrashmagedon Forum.The same info with SAPIENT. I just ripped these recordings from MySpace pages and some people submited it as "Demos" Dumbasses

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Both are deleted, should more info about possible demos resurface, then they can be readded.

I submitted the band Maruta, and it said that it was previously rejected. What was the cause? Because they have at least one full length release, and they seem metal enough.

Not metal. That they seem metal enough to you does not mean much.
Punk based grindcore is unacceptable, see the rules.

http://www.myspace.com/maruta

... "not metal enough."

I've seen this everywhere in the thread. And it's funny, nobody ever seems to question whether or not Cradle of Filth deserves a place in these pages. Because every release I've made an attempt to listen to- both their early stuff, and their even shittier newer stuff, blows badly. And yet, lesser-known bands are being judged more harshly because there's less chance somebody's gonna come here actively wanting to reference them...

Fantastic. The 'Archives have just shot themselves in the foot... Anybody recommend another good site that has a comprehensive list of bands that people are likely to find? Wikipedia? Nope, the Archives were a hell of a lot more comprehensive than even Wikipedia was, and anywhere else I've been to.

Why? Because of a group of collective opinions that agree whether or not a band's "worth" keeping here. Frigging great. But hey, I won't stop you.

When you are ingnorant enough and obviously not being able to comprehend our written rules, the best you can do is to shut up and not spread your nonsense here.
Cradle of Filth desrvbe a place here, because they are metal. Do you have a brain? Since only brainless mongoloids can deny that or want to have a band deleted from here because they do not like them.

The quality of bands does not play a role at all, only their metalness.
What is and what is not metal is clearly defined in the rules. If you diagree with it, then make your own database or go away, since it will not ever change.

That's a violin.

It's not metal, GTFO.

You can figure that one out for yourself.

"What is and what is not metal is clearly defined in the rules. If you diagree with it, then make your own database or go away, since it will not ever change."

Actually, I've often considered that... But just a question, are you really interested in referencing bands for people, or are you more into judging them?

Yes, I've read the guidelines pretty thoroughly, but what I couldn't help wondering was why some bands are being removed based on the lack of a physical release. "Disfiguring the goddess", to name one such example, were deleted because they've only had their EPs in a download format? And information - reference value, *good* reference value, I might add... was culled?

You have nothing to laugh about, unless you laugh at your own indolence and irrationality.

We have set clear definitions of what is metal and what not. That has to be respected. Of course we have to judge them. It is explained in the rules.

Physical release is important and also mentioned in the written rules as a must. Download only bands are generally worthless for the database, since they may split up without any physical legacy for the metal world. We will not accept myspace bands with only a few songs online as their e.p. Again, a written rule which you have to respect.

"Irrationality"... that's rather amusing, since I actually came onto this thread to try and represent a voice of rationality. I've no idea what "indolence" means... I suppose you must've meant "ignorance".

But whatever. I'm through with this crap. Have fun guys, but just remember... some bands out there are trying to get noticed. This site used to be helping them, because I've found many obscure bands here that I'd have had no hope of finding elsewhere. And I've recommended them to others. And so forth.

When you want to get Cradle of Filth deleted or want to judge bands according to your personal likes and dislikes, then you are more than irrational.

Your indolence manifests itself in that, that you are not able to understand, that non-metal bands have no place here.
This is a metal database, and informational service about bands that are metal according to our rules, not about all rock bands in existence.

5) Must be a heavy metal band...

...Or close enough.
As simple as this request may be, it involves a huge debate. None of us here think we’re a supreme authority on all things heavy metal. However, since someone has to draw a line somewhere – after all, if we accepted just about anything it wouldn’t be the Encyclopaedia Metallum anymore – we’ll have to be the one to decide whether or not your submission is valid. So this is perhaps the most important point (other than truthful information), because it can save some people a lot of time they would spend on a submission that will simply get rejected. At worst, non-neutral descriptions can be edited, but this is different.
Now...
We accept the following non-metal bands in certain cases (these exceptions can be ambiguous and debatable - scroll down for details):

* Side-projects of metal band members (ex: Pain, Wongraven, Die Verbannten Kinder Eva's)
Note that side-projects will only be eligible if they have at least one release on a label with worldwide distribution (to avoid a flood of bedroom/MySpace bands).
* Bands that are no longer metal, but are/were still generally recognized as metal bands (ex: Burzum, Metallica)
* Grindcore if it's close enough to death metal (ex: Carcass, Napalm Death)

We do NOT accept the following (this is our decision, please don't argue this):

* Mallcore, also known as "nu-metal" by some (ex: Papa Roach, Limp Bizkit, Drowning Pool, Slipknot)
* Metalcore, unless it's clearly more metal than core (e.g Shadows Fall, The Red Chord, Mastodon are OK: Avenged Sevenfold, Atreyu, Bullet For My Valentine are NOT). If you are uncertain, best avoid metalcore bands altogether.
* Glam rock (ex: Poison, Whitesnake, KISS)
* Classic rock (ex: Led Zeppelin, Uriah Heep)
* Progressive rock (ex: Yes, King Crimson, The Flower Kings, Spock's Beard)
* Hard rock (ex: Guns 'N Roses, AC/DC, Alice Cooper)
* Hardcore (ex: Earth Crisis, Converge)
* Grindcore (and all its variants; noise, crust, etc) with little to zero metal influence (ex: Anal Cunt, Libido Airbag)
* Punk (ex: The Misfits, The Ramones, The Sex Pistols)
* Gothic rock (ex: Bauhaus, Sisters of Mercy, Fields of Nephilim)
* Industrial (ex: Nine Inch Nails, Rammstein, KMFDM, N17)
* Cover/tribute/gimmick bands (ex: The Iron Maidens, Catch the Rainbow), unless they start as such and eventually write their own music

"When you want to get Cradle of Filth deleted or want to judge bands according to your personal likes and dislikes, then you are more than irrational."

Oh no, I wasn't stating that from my own personal likes or dislikes. I was simply telling you there's too many symphonic and atmospheric elements in Filth's music for it to classify as metal. Which seems to be founded on a similar basis as a lot of other bands who've been deleted.

*frowns at the guidelines* Yeah yeah, I've read them already. I'm not as "indolent" (sic) as you think I am. *rolls eyes*

When you say that about Cradle of Filth, then you have no idea what metal is. It has nothing to do with objectivity, either you are a troll or completely crazy. Further discussion has no sense.
No band that sounded like Cradle of Filth was ever deleted. All that was deleted were neo-classical symphonic bands without guitars, which were not metal at all. Cradle of Filth have keyboards, but their music is also based om heavy guitar-based metal riffs and their songwriting is also in metal style.

"When you say that about Cradle of Filth, then you have no idea what metal is."

"No idea what metal is"... give me a break. xD I know I know what metal is, and I've been judged by better people than you. *chuckles* But I particularly like the way you guys blacklisted Last Days Of Humanity, for an example. Yeah, their newer stuff's more Noise than Grind/Metal, but as I once mentioned before, their older stuff was more akin to classic Carcass-style Grindcore than anything else. When bringing that point up, I heard a similar reason as to the one I gave for CoF before; "only a few metal elements, throwing them all together doesn't amount to a band being metal."

Which is pretty much what I was saying about CoF... Pot calling the kettle black, Witcher?

"But their music is also based om heavy guitar-based metal riffs and their songwriting is also in metal style."

Hey, sounds just like LdoH's earlier works, too.

Even their older album was not death metal based enough. Yes, not predominantly metal for us. You have to live with the fact, that your beloved bands may not make it, plain and simple.

What you said only testifies, that you have no idea about the site, the system here and are out of touch with reality.

Read this and weep:
http://www.metal-archives.com/board/vie ... t+humanity

"Even their older album was not death metal based enough."
Now you're bringing up Death Metal? o0; LdoH are blatantly grind, no discussion needed on that.

"Yes, not predominantly metal for us."
Yes, not for you. But you can't speak on behalf of every user who happens to come here looking for info.

"You live to live with the fact, that your beloved bands may not make it, plain and simple."
That's what's making this site less and less useful for people; the fact that personal judgements are decreeing this site's worth. The reason I'm still discussing this is because I *value* the Archives more than any other site, since there's never been as comprehensive a database as this. And you're changing that.

"Read this and weep:"

I already read through that thread, and I think the 'rationale' was narrow-minded and silly. And I don't weep about what people on a forum think of my opinion, sorry Dorothy.

http://www.metal-archives.com/board/vie ... t+humanity
Read the rules on grindcore - nont death metal based grindcore is not acceptable.

You canm see above, the decision was made. Such decisions will never be done by public voting and the site is not a democracy. This is completely indiscutable and as the rules say, yo u have to respect it. This thread was not made to question it.

Think what you want about it, but it is the final decision, which you have to respect. It was expressed by one of the site owners.
Besides, another proof of your indolence - you were not able to read or comprehend our rules on grindcore.
The rules will not become more open-minded to please grindcore freaks or irrational people who think Cradle of Filth are not metal.

"Such decisions will never be done by public voting and the site is not a democracy."

Uh-huh, and what that essentially comes down to is a few people deciding what's good enough for the majority.


"Think what you want about it, but it is the final decision, which you have to respect. It was expressed by one of the site owners."

And he approves of deleting band pages for the reasons you've mentioned before?

"Besides, another proof of your indolence - you were not able to read or comprehend our rules on grindcore."

Then elaborate; what's "Death Metal-based Grindcore"...? xD Carcass? Yes, their more akin to DM than somebody like... say, Napalm Death are. Both are influential, both are indexed on this site, but neither plays a similar style of grind.

Yes, exactly. it is a privately owned site, and the owners can make the rules as they want.

Their definition of metal is to be respected here.
Which part of this sentence from the guidelines you do not get:
We do NOT accept the following (this is our decision, please don't argue this).

Hopefully this is clear enough! If you have any questions, you can ask the moderators on the message board, but some of us are sick of repeating ourself, so don't take it personally if we don't answer your "Why do you say nu-metal isn't metal?!" or whatever. Keep in mind that the rules of what is accepted or not were ultimately decided by HellBlazer (the mastermind and founder of the Encyclopaedia) and "put on paper" (or rather, screen?) by Morrigan (the co-webmaster). The moderators have given counsel and suggestions but they merely enforce the rules - some of them don't agree with them 100%, but they will do their job! However, they are only humans, and they all have slightly different opinions.

Nobody asks you to completely agree with us. A lot of these decisions could be debated for hours (time that few of us have). Definitions aren't always set in stone, and this is just a website to allow people to lookup information - no need throw a fit because a band you wanted there didn't make it... Please understand that we try our best to not have double-standards, but what may seem like an inconsistency to you would make perfect sense to another and so on. We cannot please everyone.

"Yes, exactly. it is a privately owned site, and the owners can make the rules as they want.

Their definition of metal is to be respected here.
Which part of this sentence from the guidelines you do not get:
We do NOT accept the following (this is our decision, please don't argue this)."

I understand - and *respect* that fact as clearly as I comprehended it the first time I read it. My original point was that bands who've not managed to make a physical release are being deleted... And I didn't think there was much merit in culling off groups that are too 'obscure' or 'forgettable'... The biggest value that the Archives have under their belt is that they hold a comprehensive range of bands that not many people have heard of. And not all of them have made physical releases, either.

"No need throw a fit because a band you wanted there didn't make it..."
Believe me, I'm pretty far from throwing a fit over this. I just roll my eyes everytime I hear such lengthy debate over the importance of genres and how they determine a black-and-white outcome like "accepting or rejecting a band profile."

The bands can be deleted for not being metal. That is only natural, because they do not fit our rules then.

I will not elaborate on anything, you got more than enough answers.

only final sentence, you will not reach anything here.

"Disfiguring the Goddess" were a sludgy Death Metal group... I was even contemplating writing a review on one of the releases on their page, until you deleted it. Are you saying they weren't metal...? :S

And you're right, I really need to get back to a client's web site I'm doing... *sighs* I give up, but whatever. Next time I see a page on this site I worry could be deleted for the same reasons you described, I'm saving it to my hard drive before it vanishes the next time I check for it, exactly as what happened before with DtG.

Physical releases is the criterium that makes the relevance of the bands for us. Bands without physical release left no physical legacy, no lasting contribution in physical formate to the metal word. The dividing line was made there. That is all you have to understand. Bands without releases are deleted because they do not fit our written rules.

They were most probably deleted for not having a physical release yet.
If they will have a physical release in the future, then they can be accepted.

Poser Disposer - deleted, hc/grind.

Rosetta is metal.

No, they are not.
Shut up and buzz off.
You have already been dusted for being a side vandal, so you should not even think about attempting something here.

Just out of curiosity, do all mods/admins discuss the bands before deleting them, or is it up to your own discretion?

The famous ones are usually discussed, the other are deleted by our own decision, when they do not fit our rules.
It cannot be discussed among all the staff, since usually not all are online at the same time.
Only in three cases:
a) not metal
b) no physical releases
c) fake band/internet hoax.
All that is usually obvious.

Hmm yes, shut up, very professional. I haven't seen one person agree with you yet. But what do I know, I'm not part of the MA illuminati.

There is no reason to be polite to dursted vandals like you.
You will be policed soon enough by an admin, count on that.

Furthermore, mind your own stuff. People here do not have to agree, but they have no respect our decisions on bands, which are done in compliance with our rules.

First of all, dursted doesn't mean I'm just here to screw things up - aside from one incident (which I don't regret,) I was (and am, but less frequently now) a normally functioning contributor to MA. It's just easier for you to think of me as no longer a human being, since I don't agree with you. I haven't "disrespected" your decision, but I do want to know if you consulted anyone before making it.