The demo that this band has is a physical release. If you check their myspace blog, you'll realize that you can order it and that it's limited to 50 copies.

Besides, you have no way of knowing what kind of proof did the submitter provide. As far as we can tell, he could have sent each moderator a copy of the demo.

http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=28783

Information is severely lacking. No links to information about the band, and only a mention of an unnamed demo for releases. Band members are known only by pseudonyms, no band photo, and no information about what instruments they play.

Also, I'm just curious about Boreb here...
http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=31839
I thought it was well-known that this was just a made-up project as a joke against Shad0w of Death or whatever his name was way back when. I know it's been a long-running (and by now long-dead) joke on the forums, so I'm just wondering why this band is still on the site.

But it says Boreb featured members of LLN?

Hi, I submitted my black metal project, Treig, awhile, only to be rejected. At that time, I had a more drone/ambient sound, and Now I have progressed to a more black metal oriented sound. I now also have physical copies on a label, Norss Platen/Svartgalgh. I was wondering if I could resubmit?

If you put link to this CD's and on that copies you have black metal sound you should resubmit your band.

I thought I should do that, but It says to not put any links in the extra details box

you can add them later (after submission) or use "Report additional info on this band" when band is in queue

I just tried submitting and it automatically rejected it, and it said for me to ask about it in the forums. Is there anything I could do or someone I should contact on the board?

It sounds as though your band could be on the blacklist.

Try posting in this thread:
http://metal-archives.com/board/viewtop ... start=2280

Mention the circumstances and provide proof that your band is metal and physically released a metal album. Someone (more than likely Witcher) will answer your queries, then.

Shadowmore (Submitted by Artery)
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540269321
I think that they don't have material version of that demo so I asked them.
they have only mp3's on http://www.megatotal.pl/albums/album.php?id=1423
I'm curious why artery add them...

Can someone explain why their here? Don't get me wrong I love Thin Lizzy but other than the fact that John Sykes is the current vocalist I don't see what makes them qualified to be here if other hard rock/proto-metal bands aren't. Even the John Sykes argument isn't really valid because if hes membership makes a band metal then their should be an article on Whitesnake, Badlands, and Blue Murder too. Actually their seems to be a very blurry border on this site when it comes to proto-metal. I know their has to be a line drawn somewhere but it seems to me that some bands have jumped over and others are rejected.

It might be the fact that Thin Lizzy has been very influential to the Metal society in the whole world that earned them their place in the Encyclopaedia but I think that their last Studio Album, Thunder and Lightning, qualifies enough to be metal to entitle them their entry here!

Indeed.

yeah but if influence is a deciding factor that opens the doors to a listless amount of bands. I mean look at all the metal bands that consider Queen a major influence i.e Metallica (if you can still call them metal) and Judas Priest.

Read what has been said. Analyze. Comprehend.


Besides:
http://www.metal-archives.com/guidelines.php

Maybe you should better concentrate on the last half of my post. That says it all concerning Thin Lizzy. It also derails your point about Queen being a great influence to Metal Bands. Not to say Queen hasn't been an influence but it is just no valid reason for them to be included here!

Nativo: http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=29185
Is labeled as "Groove Metal, 90´s Metal"
I don't know WTF is this shitty band, but i'm sure isn't metal at all (besides "90's metal" isn't a fucking genre!)

Here you can listen 2 songs from their 2008 cd, the fourth (sorry for make you listening that shit)
http://www.myspace.com/nativoyque

Here is one song from their 3º cd:
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=OYVd4eZQklM

One song from the second CD:
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=vq8RGyQ4g24

Finally, one song from the first CD... maybe could be called groove metal, as the reviewer and submitter here did, but is that crap really metal? I think is just distorted shit, that's all.
And one thing for sure, this is their best, and only thing who can justify this band here:
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=viDt8we1GH4

Hm, there is one metal lead in that youtube video, the rest sounds pretty much like Deftones. If that's their most metal stuff then away with them.

That's is their most "metal" stuff by far.
In fact, their most metal stuff is just the fact that their drummer was V8 and Rata Blanca drummer.

http://web.archive.org/web/200503080826 ... files.html

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=14694
there is never a release mentioned in the merch section. I doubt it exists.

Alfheim
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540269776

Why :


From your database has disappeared or has been deleted Latvian black Metal band Alfheim. The page was there for several years and suddenly it is gone. I myself had contributed to it as I was drummer and almost a co-founder of this band known as "Blacklord Slayer" but rather just Slayer. Later this band kind of transformed into another Latvian black metal band Blizzard (Lva), but it was completely different band, with only one original member remaining, different music, etc. Also ALFHEIM can still be found on the page of Blizzard as a link where I am mentioned in the section of the former/past members as "Black Lord Slayer - Drums on demo "Servants of the Winter"" and this demo added to this band (Blizzard) history. Actually those were two completely seperate bands and dislike for the music or future dirrection of ALFHEIM made 3 members quit leaving just one, that together with his friends formed A NEW band BLIZZARD (Lva). 2 of those who went away and also participated in the recording of aforementioned demo are not even mentioned in the past/former members list not in the line up for demo. IT IS FAKE!!! Yes guitars were done by Nerone (but his name then was Loki), yes Skugge (a**hole) did some vocals, but the main vocalist at the time of recording of the demo was Morgueldar (later in the band HERESIARH), but the bass guitarist was Noctivagus (also later in HERESIARH), NOT SOME "NEPTUNE". Neptune was my old pal and drinking buddy (with whom we releases SABBAT(Jap) - "Sabbatical Magicurse (Baltic Harmageddon)7"" as a label Sadistic Sodomizer). By the way Sad.Sod. is still alive and there is comming a re-release of true Alfheim demo (that was called just "Demo '97" not some "Servants Of The Winter") on limited CD-R and later maybe on 10"EP, and then ABIGAIL(Jap) 7"EP (of material from 1998, but I can't talk about this much, it is kind of secret release). However Neptune never was in the recording room. He even doesn't know how to play any instryment (yet he knows how to drink beer). Hee was held as a nominal vocalist, begore Morgueldar, but he had no live shows with the band and only one rehearsal (where he rehearsed only one song on vocals). Yess now to fill the gap they claim that bass guitarist Cyrill earlier had nickname Neptune, but it is simply untrue. His nic was - Kiriller (everybody knows it who were in contact with the band and who has their "second" demo)!!!

I demand:

1) Put Back ALFHEIM site, it is different entity than BLIZZARD!!!

2) Take off thje title "Servants of the Winter" from the "Demo '97". Title "Serwants of the Winter" was invented by BLIZZARD when they wanted to look "older" "more mature", wanted to have one more demo by their belt, so they just took ALFHEIM "Demo '97" in recording which just 1 and a half of them had taken any assisstance - renamed it and nowe put it as their demo! But the title "Servants of thye Winter" was inwented by the BLIZZAD, but this demo is not BLIZZARD demo, it is ALFHEIM demo, and it is called "Demo '97"!!!!

Whoever yesterday (some Fulgurius) did change the data HE WAS WRONG. HE COULD NOT EVEN PIT THE SONG TITLES OF THE "Demo'97" RIGHT (last two titles are incorrect), and absolutely absurd line up!!!!

Take some action please, what harm did this ALFHEIM paged did? It was the tribute to THE FIRST true Latvian Black metal band (not death or doom band with satanic or pagan lyrics as SKYFORGER was back then).

If this Fulgurius is one of ex-ALFHEIM or ex-BLIZZARD members, I would like if you coud put me through to him, so we can discuss it between ourselves!!!

In hope of co-operation

With respect, Ivars Linis (SickAmongThePure on The Metal Archives) formerly known as "Blacklord" Slayer of ALFHEIM.

PS.

The true Line up on Demo '97 was

Loki - Guitars, keyboards & effects
Noctivagus - Bass
Morgueldar - original vocals (that were overdubed) and vocals on live bonus track (5.)
Skygge - new vocals on tracks 2 & 3
"Blacklord" Slayer - worst drummer in Latvia and drinks

Correct track list for ALFHEIM "Demo '97" (the Blizzard "Servants of the Winter"):

1. Intro
2. Possessed By Hate
3. Servants Of The Winter
4. Outro (Winter Of Belief)
Bonus Track:
5. The Slaying Of The Eyen Hordes (live at Hard Rock Cafe "Mad Mix" 26-10-1996 - the first show of the band)


PS.

The band (Blizzard (Lva)) was formed in February 1998.

The ALFHEIM was formed in 1994 (New Year day), I was one of co-founders. So I demand to put the Alfheim site back. It eas a different band, a different entity!!! And it split up 10-1997, Blizzard was formed 02-1998 with only one original member... Any more questions????

With respect, Ivars Linis (SickAmongThePure on The Metal Archives) "Blacklord" Slayer The Drummer in Alfheim and Dark Reign (two first Latvian Black metal bands) (Look in the sites of Blizzard (Lva) and Heresiarh)

Ok, look at my post here (06 Dec 2008 01:10):
http://metal-archives.com/board/viewtop ... start=3640
There is a picture of a demo cover with Blizzard logo:
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj20 ... Winter.gif
And where is the proof of Alfheim release? He just tells that he's going to re-release the "true" Alfheim demo, but do not says how and where was it released in 1997.
If he wants to talk about it, I can PM you my e-mail and I can give contact of the man who provided that info.

EDIT: Also read this interview:
http://www.rusmetal.ru/vae_solis/Heresiarh.htm


I'll write to the e-mail from his profile here.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=43044
Havoc (hol) never released an album, Raudsepp Records claims never to have released the full-length album.

Embalmed (US) just added is the same as Embalmed (Mex)

same members (apparently moved to USA), same album (though released in 1998)

Deleted.
Flagged 3 times.

This band ARAS (Irn) says in the Additional Notes:

"The only release proven to exist in physical form thus far is the "Hemaseye Andooh" EP."

Well, perfect. But why all the other releases are listed in discography if they were not proved to exist?
I do think, maybe, all those must be added in the additional notes as demo's apparently released, but definitely they shall not be in the discography section.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540263005


Hails.

Othala
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=36103

http://www.myspace.com/othaladk
http://www.othala.dk/
not one metal track.

review of their latest piece:
http://negative-existence.com/product_i ... ts_id=4027
(see bottom)

first release:
http://www.innocence-music.com/albums.p ... Album=3350
(just a small tag)

homepage:
Othala started out back in 2000 as an alternative project around a black-metal band called Arven that we had both played in.

http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=75384
Looked over the internet and I found no proof that this band exists

someone else want to check it out? this band can't be here!!

I'm curious to know when Isis, Neurosis, Cult Of Luna, Pelican etc. are getting delete from metal archives.

Rosetta are more 'metal' than most of the 'post-metal' bands on this website...

Neurosis's early material is pretty metal in my books.

It has been said that all those bands have at least one metallic album. That would be enough to make them stay.

Okay so one of the Pelican or Jesu releases are more metal than Rosetta?

If you've heard the Galilean Satellites by Rosetta deleting them really doesn't make sense.

I have heard songs from it on myspace and it is not metal at all.

The decision was made, RESPECT IT.
Psychedelic alternative guitar riffs and hardcore punk derived rhythmical backbone do not constitute a metal song.

Speaking of Jesu, why are they here? Are they an exception like mortiis? Or was some album of theirs metal. What i heard from them wasn't metal. If they released some metal, i think it should be noted on their page somehow, to avoid confusion.

Omen (Pol) (by Sodomatic_Slaughter)
I removed this
describe as Heavy Metal (also on Dorosle Dzieci)
but SynnRyder show me this :
http://www.speedyshare.com/638707487.html

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=4911

no release

Well their first full length is the closest to metal they have gotten. But even then, I'm willing to debate that because it's not metal. Yes, it's heavy, but I wouldn't say it's metal. Many bands play a heavy sound within their guitar but hasn't it been argued many times on the MA that it's how it's played, not how heavy it is?

And Jesu is certainly not a side project band. So I can't see why it is in the archives.