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Derigin
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:36 pm 
 

Their releases were both distributed via Rautajouhi, which offers worldwide distribution.

It was previously mentioned as falling under the side-project rule in the HQ.

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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:37 pm 
 

Iniquitous
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=129857
no release:
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Fanfarigoule
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:48 pm 
 

Derigin wrote:
Their releases were both distributed via Rautajouhi, which offers worldwide distribution.

It was previously mentioned as falling under the side-project rule in the HQ.

Thanks for the heads-up.

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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 2:06 pm 
 

Dionysian
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=106805

no release:
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Tueur
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:11 am 
 

Aren't those bands the same? I found this while updating other bands

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=88023

Released a demo called Angels in 2005, and a Full Length with the same name in 2006.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=69678

Discography:
- Demo, 2005
- "Angels", Full Lenght, 2006


- Angels / Legan (= angel)
- Sharing 3 members
- same discography for both

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Fanfarigoule
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:57 am 
 

Seems like. But the info on the bands is pretty scarce. I can't tell for sure which band should be kept. I've sent a mail to the submitter Cochino to unravel this mystery.

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Ribos
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 11:05 am 
 

Ribos wrote:
http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=28783

Information is severely lacking. No links to information about the band, and only a mention of an unnamed demo for releases. Band members are known only by pseudonyms, no band photo, and no information about what instruments they play.

Also, I'm just curious about Boreb here...
http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=31839
I thought it was well-known that this was just a made-up project as a joke against Shad0w of Death or whatever his name was way back when. I know it's been a long-running (and by now long-dead) joke on the forums, so I'm just wondering why this band is still on the site.

Re-posting because I never heard back with regards to these.
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Fanfarigoule
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 11:17 am 
 

What can we say ?
Sure, a band wouldn't get accepted with the info presented on the page. But now they are here, we'll need more elements against them.

As for Boreb, see that as an owners-made exception.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 1:47 pm 
 

Fanfarigoule wrote:
What can we say ?
Sure, a band wouldn't get accepted with the info presented on the page. But now they are here, we'll need more elements against them.

As for Boreb, see that as an owners-made exception.

As for Boreb, if nobody will be able to prove, that it was really LLN project, then it should be deleted imo, since the music is not metal at all.

It was most probably an online joke, so the existence of its page here raises question. Remember, it was accepted in time when unfortunately also Shadow of Death's fake projects were accepted.

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Fanfarigoule
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 2:05 pm 
 

I know, that's my opinion too. I just presented the situation to Ribos. The band has been here for over four years now, many enquiries were made about them and even by you in the mods forum, if I recall correctly. I don't think it has been overlooked by the owners and since nothing has been done yet I see it as an exception.

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GVOLTT
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:34 pm 
 

No releases; the album comes out on February 27, one month away:
http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540272846
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Fanfarigoule
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:43 am 
 

Read the "Why was band x rejected/deleted?" thread.

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Helvede
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 6:19 pm 
 

dust666 wrote:
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=15162

Obscure label, probably no global distribution. I don't think this should be kept.


Misanthropy wasn not really an obscure label. This was the label of In the Woods, Burzum, Beyond Dawn. Madder Mortem etc. Elfenblut was just a sub-division of Misanthropy. The band is valid as a side-project.

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PiotrB
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 6:26 pm 
 

GVOLTT wrote:
No releases; the album comes out on February 27, one month away:
http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540272846

but he show us proof that you can get this CD now...

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Fanfarigoule
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 6:38 pm 
 

By the way, I think something has to be added to the album's notes about it being available before the release date.
If that recently-added demo is valid, it's not necessary, though.

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~Guest 153339
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:39 am 
 

Ok, so I added something in the notes for Lunaric Tide which essentially states that it is available now. That other demo, though, is not valid so please remove it. It's only an online release, and even then it still has problems with the way it was presented.

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Mieresch
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:18 am 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540271369

Why was this accepted, when the EP is only coming out on the 2nd of february?

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Nightgaunt
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 3:50 pm 
 

Deleted the Japanese power metal band. Bands cannot be admitted to the site on the basis of a forthcoming release, even if the information for that release is complete.
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Mieresch
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:45 am 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540272561

Please delete this band, the album is only coming out on the 23rd of February.

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Ribos
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 1:16 pm 
 

Fanfarigoule wrote:
I know, that's my opinion too. I just presented the situation to Ribos. The band has been here for over four years now, many enquiries were made about them and even by you in the mods forum, if I recall correctly. I don't think it has been overlooked by the owners and since nothing has been done yet I see it as an exception.

If it is an accepted joke project, then shouldn't a note be made about that on the band's page? As it stands, it looks like it is actually a legitimate project.

Thanks for your time, though!
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 1:20 pm 
 

Ribos wrote:
Fanfarigoule wrote:
I know, that's my opinion too. I just presented the situation to Ribos. The band has been here for over four years now, many enquiries were made about them and even by you in the mods forum, if I recall correctly. I don't think it has been overlooked by the owners and since nothing has been done yet I see it as an exception.

If it is an accepted joke project, then shouldn't a note be made about that on the band's page? As it stands, it looks like it is actually a legitimate project.

Thanks for your time, though!

Of course it was not accepted as a joke project, but as a side project of LLN musicians back then. Read again what we said, please.

If it is really not LLN related, then it should not be here.

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CroPanzer
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:27 am 
 

http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=88993

This band, Dagoth Ur must be deleted for many reasons:
First and most important it is not a metal band, it is not even a band, that is just one guy on his computer making some neofolk ambient music and posting them on MySpace... And offcourse the guy who added the band to metal-archives was man behind that project himself, so he probably wrote that it was in some time death metal band in order to be accepted. But the proof for my theory that death metal genre status was faked is - if that "band" was death metal band how come that they never released anything, for it is an computer band, not for live playing, and computer bands don't have rehearsals, they are only for release of demos and albums. If it was death metal band, the first album should be death metal music.

Secondly, they never released anything. Yes there are 3 demos listed, but those are only some tracks that the guy uploaded to rapidshare and posted it on some forums, along with upload on last.fm and myspace. The rule of Metal-archives is that the demo must be in physical form and his surely aren't. You can see that under infos for albums there is no information of label, and the guy who added the band is the band leader himself so he should know what labels are, but there are no labels nor it is self-released, even if he says so posting a download link is not releasing of album.

If you need a proof here is last.fm profile where you can listen to two "demos":
http://www.last.fm/music/Dagoth+Ur/+albums

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Psychopathology
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:06 pm 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540273271

I submitted this a few days ago and it got rejected, now this guy submits it and it gets accepted? Bullshit. Nothing changed.

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Fanfarigoule
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:09 pm 
 

It was first rejected because you didn't give enough info.
It was accepted then because he gave enough info.
As simple as that.

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Psychopathology
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:13 pm 
 

Wrong. The info I gave was exactly the same. The only difference was I had more under lyrical themes. Witcher said it was because their release didn't count. It is a promo that was not a public release. They should not be accepted till they release something to the general public.

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Fanfarigoule
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:23 pm 
 

Ah, if Witcher said it, then yeah :p

No, seriously, a whole team works on the queues and it might happen that the submissions are processed differently.
We'll look into it, don't worry.

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Psychopathology
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:26 pm 
 

Thanks.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 8:41 am 
 

Reports for Sarke


February 4th, 2009
Posted at 13:23

The album Vorunah will be released on April 26 not in January as it is written here.
source: http://www.myspace.com/sarkeofficial

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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:40 pm 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540260335

there is a comment by this band on a MySpace site:
http://comment.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu ... D=76388034

24.Sep.2008 19:22
Hi Ricardo. Sorry but Argon Wrack never released anything. Besides the POS demo Nigro Mantia only recorded one single rehearsaltape contaning some new material like "Doom's Pharynx".
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TheGrimWombat
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:19 pm 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540273580

Is this the same as the nu-metal band? They're both from Florida, so I wonder...

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~Guest 153339
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:43 pm 
 

No. If you looked into the situation, it's apparent that they have many different fields (ie. not from the same location) and the nu-metal one didn't release a demo called "Generate". Plus, it was added by a moderator who would definately know better than to do such a thing. Finally, if it WAS the same band, much more information would've been provided than the scarce amount of information that was.

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TheGrimWombat
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:06 pm 
 

Reign_of_Praine wrote:
No. If you looked into the situation, it's apparent that they have many different fields (ie. not from the same location) and the nu-metal one didn't release a demo called "Generate". Plus, it was added by a moderator who would definitely know better than to do such a thing. Finally, if it WAS the same band, much more information would've been provided than the scarce amount of information that was.


I just saw that they were both from Southern Florida. Coral Springs is not far from Ft. Lauderdale, as far as I can see...maybe the nu-metal band denies this demo. Who knows...I was just checking...they could have changed styles to nu-metal after this release, and deny this release, Pantera-style.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:31 pm 
 

Well, hey, I guess that could be the case seeing they 'formed' in '97 and the release in which they would be denying was released in '96. An interesting concept that may need some further insight.

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TheGrimWombat
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:40 pm 
 

I wasn't intending to be rude by questioning a mod's submission, I just thought that could be the case. I was asking because, if that's the case, then we have a lot more info to add...and I wanted to make sure that a small demo was enough to get them here after so many later nu-metal releases.

I trust Gutterscream, he is very well-informed and helpful mod, but I just noticed that if they were different bands, they were from a very close vicinity and could be the same band.

Like I said, Pantera denied their first releases, and this band could have done the same. There are several cases of this on the archives, so I don't see why this could be something different. I was merely clarifying.

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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:52 pm 
 

I have here something:
http://www.mtv.de/music/222350/bio
Schon 1996 laufen sich Drummer Robb Rivera, Basser Kenneth 'KB' Charman und Gitarrist Andrew Goldman über den Weg. Allerdings trommelt Robb damals noch bei Nonpoint Factor und Andrew und KB spielen bei Fuse. Erst als Robb im folgenden Jahr von Puerto Rico nach Fort Lauderdale zieht, machen die drei gemeinsame Sache.

Already 1996 meet Drummer Robb Rivera, Basser Kenneth 'KB' Charman und Gitarrist Andrew Goldman meet. Robb is playing in Nonpoint Factor and Andrew und KB play in Fuse. Robb moves then from Puerto Rico to Fort Lauderdale and they work together.

and here is some more:
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pa ... npoint.htm
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TheGrimWombat
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:01 pm 
 

So, it most-likely is the same band...at least by that interview, which is from 1996.

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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:03 pm 
 

TheGrimWombat wrote:
So, it most-likely is the same band...at least by that interview, which is from 1996.

Yes, it seems like so.
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TheGrimWombat
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:05 pm 
 

So, the genre should be changed and info added, if they are to stay. However, before anything happens we should wait for a mod's go-ahead, I think.

I think it should be discussed whether it should even stay based on that one demo, and whatnot. I know one metal release should keep them here, but are we sure that it's metal? Even in the interview, they say that they mix alternative and hardcore and grunge with thrash metal.

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GVOLTT
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:02 pm 
 

Nope, turns out it is a completely different band. The Nonpoint added here was from Puerto Rico before moving to Florida, and were previously known as Nonpoint Factor, which also has a page here: http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=51586. The lineups between Nonpoint Factor and the nu metal Nonpoint are completely different lineups as well. Just because two bands are from cities close to each other, doesn't mean they are the same band (I do recall a couple of examples here where there are 2 bands from the same city, but are completely different bands. Can't think of the names, though.)

Interesting coincidence though: The interview mentions a song called "Victim", and the nu metal band has a song by that name on their 2001 album, Statement.
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TheGrimWombat
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I was merely verifying.

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