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davkov85
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 9:01 am 
 

Witcher wrote:
No, they are more electronic music than metal. If the band you have mentioned is similar, than they were accepted by mistake, which can happen sometimes, considering the number of listed bands. Please, spare your "impressions " the relevance to the metal scene is mentioned only in relation to the projects chosen by site's owners as an exception. Users are discouraged to submit such bands. It is explicitly written so in the rules and still this seems to be a problem area....


OK. No, the new band is not really similar. It is, as I said, just like epic black metal with harsh vocals, except that it is not performed by real instruments but computer-generated. This feature can be heard but there are many bands like this in EM, listed simply as black metal. (I've written it in the additional notes when I submitted the band, but it's somehow got built into the genre.)

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 9:06 am 
 

davkov85 wrote:
"No, they are more electronic music than metal. If the band you have mentioned is similar, than they were accepted by mistake, which can happen sometimes, considering the number of listed bands. Please, spare your "impressions " the relevance to the metal scene is mentioned only in relation to the projects chosen by site's owners as an exception. Users are discouraged to submit such bands. It is explicitly written so in the rules and still this seems to be a problem area....[/quote]

OK. No, the new band is not really similar. It is, as I said, just like epic black metal with harsh vocals, except that it is not performed by real instruments but computer-generated. (I've written it in the additional notes when I submitted the band, but it's somehow got built into the genre.)[/quote]

O.K., but in that case? i would not consider it metal either, especially if the song at mp3.de is representative for the music:
http://www.mp3.de/musik/genre/band/080100/4900/1
Keyboard music with screams - level of heaviness - zero.
He compares it to Cryptic Wintermoon - they use indeed similar keyboard part, but the core of their music is rather different:
http://www.myspace.com/officialcrypticwintermoon
We will see...

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davkov85
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 10:07 am 
 

Yes, I also disagree with him in comparing the music to Cryptic Wintermoon. It's much more like Summoning IMO.

Well, decide as you wish. Two years ago it was approved immediately, appearantly without hesitation, but I won't complain if you delete it.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 10:40 am 
 

Regarding Via Dolorosa (UKR)

Tracklist MA
http://www.metal-archives.com/release.php?id=106592
1. As Death Works
2. Impershit
3. Sweet Darling Eternal
4. Slave Or Free
5. Lovely Visits / Trap
6. With No Fear
7. What A Beautiful Landscape
8. Cruel, Fatal... Something
9. S.W.F.?
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http://metalarea.org/forum/index.php?sh ... ntry172101
Tracklist:
1. As Death Works - 1:58
2. Impershit - 2:36
3. Sweet Darling Eternal - 2:53
4. Slave Of Free - 3:06
5. Lovely Visits / Trap - 4:04
6. Bodun - 1:52
7. With No Fear - 3:51
8. What A Beatiful Landscape - 2:31
9. Cruel, Fatal. Something - 4:37
10. S.W.F.? - 4:07
11. Via Dolorosa (Instrumental) - 3:01
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OK... I found the info here and can confirm the second tracklist:
http://web.archive.org/web/200210091733 ... frame.html

Wrote a report on it and will add the album as soon as teh old one is deleted. Lyrics saved.
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SitraAhra
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 6:57 am 
 

This old band from Australia for me sounds quite Heavy Metal(Early). http://www.myspace.com/heavenozrock can someone upload full length Album ??? Or maybe this one is already on rejected list?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:07 am 
 

SitraAhra wrote:
This old band from Australia for me sounds quite Heavy Metal(Early). http://www.myspace.com/heavenozrock can someone upload full length Album ??? Or maybe this one is already on rejected list?

here is one:
http://rapidshare.com/files/31902146/WH ... _TREAD.rar

and here another:
http://ausrock.blogspot.com/2007/02/hea ... -door.html
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SitraAhra
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 6:15 am 
 

I know that a lot of people hate MySpace,but sometimes there are just the only sources of obscure/rare bands from 80s or 90s.For example HORRID(Swe) ... http://www.myspace.com/horridswe What we can do with this one??? It's acceptable? Beside MySpace I did't found any info....
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 6:23 am 
 

SitraAhra wrote:
I know that a lot of people hate MySpace,but sometimes there are just the only sources of obscure/rare bands from 80s or 90s.For example HORRID(Swe) ... http://www.myspace.com/horridswe What we can do with this one??? It's acceptable? Beside MySpace I did't found any info....


I do not doubt the band was for real in this case, but I would wait just a bit for the promised update about their demo, since yesterday was submitted some early band of Crazy Larry from Malevolent Creation with myspace page, where it said, that the demo was recorded but not released. But when you will see the demo mentioned in some collection on the net, you can submit it even now.

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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 6:26 am 
 

SitraAhra wrote:
I know that a lot of people hate MySpace,but sometimes there are just the only sources of obscure/rare bands from 80s or 90s.For example HORRID(Swe) ... http://www.myspace.com/horridswe What we can do with this one??? It's acceptable? Beside MySpace I did't found any info....

Wyh don't you write the person behind the MySpace site not an e-mail???
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SitraAhra
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 7:12 am 
 

OK I wrote to men who run this HORRID MySpace fanpage and asked for additional info,like Demo cover,Songs listing and simmilar things.Also asked if it were released in psysihal form... Sometimes I ask old bands about all info... For example this one I submitted a few days ago. http://www.myspace.com/hollowinstinct or http://www.myspace.com/sinisterforcemetal ... There were quite clear info about these bands.Flyers,Reviews,Track Listings .... A lot of years passed since glorious 1985 and now I see that more and more of old bands members doing simmilar ala tribute-pages,coz at that time they do not had Internet and and all that shit.
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 7:15 am 
 

SitraAhra wrote:
OK I wrote to men who run this HORRID MySpace fanpage and asked for additional info,like Demo cover,Songs listing and simmilar things.Also asked if it were released in psysihal form... Sometimes I ask old bands about all info... For example this one I submitted a few days ago. http://www.myspace.com/hollowinstinct or http://www.myspace.com/sinisterforcemetal ... There were quite clear info about these bands.Flyers,Reviews,Track Listings .... A lot of years passed since glorious 1985 and now I see that more and more of old bands members doing simmilar ala tribute-pages,coz at that time they do not had Internet and and all that shit.


If they are really informative, they can be useful for submissions, as somebody said here, those are some of the few myspace pages that have any lasting value.

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Reaper43
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 2:11 pm 
 

http://www.myspace.com/tumourlasthouse

Band Name: Tumour

They play a style of Goregrind/Death Metal the vocals are some of the most utterly stupid I have ever heard. The guitar work holds a fair bit of similarity too the Death Metal style but the song lengths are definently Grind in nature.

I wouldn't even ask about their acceptability it's just that they have a number of releases and I'd rather not do the research and then have them rejected.
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MMisantropo
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:19 pm 
 

not metal.

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Figured as much that's why I posted them here. Thanks.
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PiotrB
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 5:10 am 
 

and what with Negative Creeps ?
http://www.myspace.com/negativecreepsband

http://www.metal-archives.com/board/vie ... start=4000

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ralfman
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:21 pm 
 

Hi

Everyone:
I´ve got these reviews:
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/9563 ... 005xj7.jpg
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/9329 ... 006bl4.jpg

If anyone knows anything about these bands feel free to use these links.
The first ; Static Eyesore is a Black Metal/Noise project , lacks the country.
The second; Metatron is from te UK but no genre.

So if someone has a tip on this feel free and submit them.

:beer:
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:49 am 
 

first is probably from Canada, I add this but it was rejected :P
second : http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=104581

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ralfman
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 7:38 am 
 

Piotr_Bojka wrote:
first is probably from Canada, I add this but it was rejected :P
second : http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=104581


Rejected ? did you use the link? it´s compared to WOLD...
As for those Iris bands , i have a doubt , are from Northern Irland (UK) or Eire (R.of Ireland)? i always mix both , do u know for sure?

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 7:53 am 
 

ralfman wrote:
Piotr_Bojka wrote:
first is probably from Canada, I add this but it was rejected :P
second : http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=104581


Rejected ? did you use the link? it´s compared to WOLD...
As for those Iris bands , i have a doubt , are from Northern Irland (UK) or Eire (R.of Ireland)? i always mix both , do u know for sure?

Cheers


The review made me actually doubt their metalness - black rasps to electro minimalism? I the interview, they mention Laibach and Kraftwerk as their main influences. So samples are a must in this case.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:03 am 
 

Witcher wrote:

The review made me actually doubt their metalness - black rasps to electro minimalism? I the interview, they mention Laibach and Kraftwerk as their main influences. So samples are a must in this case.


Yeah , you´re right... I´ve got doubts too when i read the review :ugh:

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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:28 pm 
 

Two releases or one?
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=22870
Dominación imperial
http://www.metal-archives.com/release.php?id=59848
http://www.metal-archives.com/release.php?id=118263

There is also an error in the additional notes, saying that the demo has one track less, which is not true, because I have the demo and there are seven tracks and the length of the demo is corresponding with that on their site. Knows anyone more?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 3:21 am 
 

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu ... d=49376208

Acceptable?

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 10:38 am 
 

TheGrimWombat wrote:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=49376208

Acceptable?


A problematical band, but more no than yes, because the death metal parts are mostly limited to growls only, the music is more reminiscent of The Stooges, MC5 and similar bands, only at times it becones more thrash/death like.
You have to give them credit for originality, though.

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PiotrB
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 6:04 pm 
 

on reviews they are describe as metal
Death & Taxe$
http://cdbaby.com/cd/deathtaxes
http://cdbaby.com/cd/deathtaxes2
http://www.dntmusic.com/news.html
I'm really confused

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TheGrimWombat
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 6:29 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
TheGrimWombat wrote:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=49376208

Acceptable?


A problematical band, but more no than yes, because the death metal parts are mostly limited to growls only, the music is more reminiscent of The Stooges, MC5 and similar bands, only at times it becones more thrash/death like.
You have to give them credit for originality, though.


Alright, thanks...that's why I asked, I couldn't quite put my finger on their sound.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:01 am 
 

Since many are still asking about the proof of physical release, here is a perfect example of it:
http://www.hellsingmx.com/images/cd1.jpg
http://www.hellsingmx.com/images/cd2.jpg
http://www.hellsingmx.com/images/cd3.jpg

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PiotrB
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:49 am 
 

http://www.myspace.com/maxayi
metal? if yes what genre?

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The_Doctrine_Secret
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:13 am 
 

Piotr_Bojka wrote:
http://www.myspace.com/maxayi
metal? if yes what genre?
If one takes the genre's of his influences who are on the archives it's something like this: Shredding Neoclassical Heavy/Power Metal :D
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 7:33 pm 
 

Inhale Exhale

http://www.myspace.com/inhaleexhale

Sound like As I Lay Dying vocally, but instrumentally are more thrash based.
Uses the typical metalcore croon and scream technique.

Opinions?

Also, may i submit this Ambient/Darkwave band with Black Metal elements?

Waves' Chatiment

http://www.myspace.com/waveschatimen
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 2:12 am 
 

Reaper43 wrote:
Inhale Exhale

http://www.myspace.com/inhaleexhale

Sound like As I Lay Dying vocally, but instrumentally are more thrash based.
Uses the typical metalcore croon and scream technique.

Opinions?

Also, may i submit this Ambient/Darkwave band with Black Metal elements?

Waves' Chatiment

http://www.myspace.com/waveschatimen


Luisy left Waves’ chatiment because of his lack of motivation. Instead of seeking a new musician, NOD decided to continue alone in Waves’ Chatiment and abandonned black metal sonorities.

So certainly not, I have listened to it and while he uses guitars in some songs, it is some kind of dark experimental rock, not metal.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu ... =104857471

Ambient/Darkwave band with Black Metal elements?
Why would you like to submit such thing anyway? Please, in the future, avoid mentioning of ambient/darkwave/electronic/techno before me, it works like a red cap on a bull on me :grin:

Inhale Exhale sound to me like the more commercial metalcore that should be avoided. There are even huge My Chemical Romance parts in Tonight We Die song. The music is not particularly metal based even in other songs. It is modern hardcore quite consequently.

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Alright, didn't realize you hated ambient music, i knew drone wasn't your thing. I figured Inhale Exhale would have too much pop like melody to be included, again that is why I asked before I bothered to submit either bands.

On a side-note I enjoy ambient work, and see no problem with it, but at the same time don't mind if someone hates it. So what everyone's taste's are different.

I'm pretty much sure that I won't be needing this thread anymore, I have a very clear definition of what is acceptable under the varying genres. Inevitably that's all I really wanted was too fully understand exactly what "borderline" is here on the archives. So thanks for your assistance Witcher, and even criticism is appreciated it keeps one from making the same mistakes twice. :lol:
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Reaper43 wrote:
Alright, didn't realize you hated ambient music, i knew drone wasn't your thing. I figured Inhale Exhale would have to much pop like melody to be included, again that is why I asked before I bothered to submit either bands.

On a side-note I enjoy ambient work, and see no problem with it, but at the same time don't mind if someone hates it. So what everyone's taste's are different.

I'm pretty much sure that I won't be needing this thread anymore, I have a very clear definition of what is acceptable under the varying genres. Inevitably that's all I really wanted was too fully understand exactly what "borderline" is here on the archives. So thanks for your assistance Witcher, and even criticism is appreciated it keeps one from making the same mistakes twice. :lol:


The main thing is, ambient/darkwave have completely different roots, history and approach than metal, so people who constantly try to submit it astound me. They may want to submit The Prodigy as well, that is not so far from that....

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That's a more then fair assessment, and exactly why I asked before even trying to submit one ambient band.

Well back to updating bands and such.
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Witcher wrote:
They may want to submit The Prodigy as well, that is not so far from that....


I like The Prodigy :roll:

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 2:01 pm 
 

Piotr_Bojka wrote:
Witcher wrote:
They may want to submit The Prodigy as well, that is not so far from that....


I like The Prodigy :roll:


But would you call them metal??

They are terribly overrated imo and belong to the dance/techno scene, whether one likes it or not. I could say Scooter with Mantas, if it pleases you more.

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Witcher wrote:
Piotr_Bojka wrote:
Witcher wrote:
They may want to submit The Prodigy as well, that is not so far from that....


I like The Prodigy :roll:


But would you call them metal??

They are terribly overrated imo and belong to the dance/techno scene, whether one likes it or not. I could say Scooter with Mantas, if it pleases you more.
The Prodigy had Graham "Gizz" Butt of English Dogs and lately of Sabbat (UK)!
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 2:27 pm 
 

The_Doctrine_Secret wrote:
Witcher wrote:
Piotr_Bojka wrote:
Witcher wrote:
They may want to submit The Prodigy as well, that is not so far from that....


I like The Prodigy :roll:


But would you call them metal??

They are terribly overrated imo and belong to the dance/techno scene, whether one likes it or not. I could say Scooter with Mantas, if it pleases you more.
The Prodigy had Graham "Gizz" Butt of English Dogs and lately of Sabbat (UK)!


Yes, he played with them live, just as Mantas plays with Scooter.

Jean Michel Jarre had Patrick Rondat (Elegy plus solo prog metal career) on his records.

Interesting trivia, certainly.

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Sorry about the preemptive submission Witcher, it was a mental lapse for some reason i thought it was already past said date. I need to stop submitting bands at 4:00am. :lol:
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http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=93741
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Nebelkrähe is still searching for a new vocalist.
If you are interested, please read the blog at www.myspace.com/nebelkraeheblackmetal for further information and contact us via mail at myspace or [email protected]
[Nebelkrähe]

I would like to delete everything except that they are searching for a vocalist. Is this allowed what they have written in the profile; update today?
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oneyoudontknow wrote:
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=93741
Quote:
Nebelkrähe is still searching for a new vocalist.
If you are interested, please read the blog at www.myspace.com/nebelkraeheblackmetal for further information and contact us via mail at myspace or [email protected]
[Nebelkrähe]

I would like to delete everything except that they are searching for a vocalist. Is this allowed what they have written in the profile; update today?


Of course not, that place is for lasting info only. It makes me constatly angry, tha the bands are using the pages here as their personal blog or to get even with their former band members.

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