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phos
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 9:02 am 
 

i m glad that we agree.i have to inform you though that the official name of this province of ex-Yugoslavia is FYROM, after its separation from Yugoslavia, back in the 90s, and has not changed officialy,since then. since you claim that the site does not play politics, you ought to keep a neutral side, so that you do not offend anyone of your fans/readers, by using the official term.choosing the term "macedonia" isn t neutral and you show disrespect for the other side. this is a trivial issue for the rest of the world(like you) but a very sensitive one for us.

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Witcher
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Joined: Wed Aug 18, 2004 8:27 am
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Location: Czech Republic
PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 9:18 am 
 

phos wrote:
i m glad that we agree.i have to inform you though that the official name of this province of ex-Yugoslavia is FYROM, after its separation from Yugoslavia, back in the 90s, and has not changed officialy,since then. since you claim that the site does not play politics, you ought to keep a neutral side, so that you do not offend anyone of your fans/readers, by using the official term.choosing the term "macedonia" isn t neutral and you show disrespect for the other side. this is a trivial issue for the rest of the world(like you) but a very sensitive one for us.


"When/if the area's name changes on the standardized world map, we'll change it on the site. Not before."

That was the answer, and you should respect that, since the topic was closed. That is why we use the term Macedonia. It has nothing to do with respect or disrespect. The stance of Greek nationalists is not of our concern, absolutely not. Using the term Macedonia shows no stance, it is taken from the world map.

On a side note, your hysteria because of issues that lay centuries in the past is quite funny. Yes, the term Macedonia is close connected to the hellenic period of history, but should I demand now war reprobations from my fellow moderator Corimngul for what the Swedes have done here during the 30 years war in the 17th century? That would be quite absurd.

You are obviously not neutral on the issue, so accusing us of non-neutrality is not really a good taste.

One more thing, history of my country has teached me not to trust people who choose to hide behind the unidentified majority - be it all Greeks, all Czechs, all workers, all aryans, all band members etc. Think about it.

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phos
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Joined: Mon Jun 05, 2006 7:23 am
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Location: Greece
PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 11:06 am 
 

Witcher wrote:
phos wrote:
i m glad that we agree.i have to inform you though that the official name of this province of ex-Yugoslavia is FYROM, after its separation from Yugoslavia, back in the 90s, and has not changed officialy,since then. since you claim that the site does not play politics, you ought to keep a neutral side, so that you do not offend anyone of your fans/readers, by using the official term.choosing the term "macedonia" isn t neutral and you show disrespect for the other side. this is a trivial issue for the rest of the world(like you) but a very sensitive one for us.


"When/if the area's name changes on the standardized world map, we'll change it on the site. Not before."

That was the answer, and you should respect that, since the topic was closed. That is why we use the term Macedonia. It has nothing to do with respect or disrespect. The stance of Greek nationalists is not of our concern, absolutely not. Using the term Macedonia shows no stance, it is taken from the world map.

On a side note, your hysteria because of issues that lay centuries in the past is quite funny. Yes, the term Macedonia is close connected to the hellenic period of history, but should I demand now war reprobations from my fellow moderator Corimngul for what the Swedes have done here during the 30 years war in the 17th century? That would be quite absurd.

You are obviously not neutral on the issue, so accusing us of non-neutrality is not really a good taste.

One more thing, history of my country has teached me not to trust people who choose to hide behind the unidentified majority - be it all Greeks, all Czechs, all workers, all aryans, all band members etc. Think about it.


firstly i'm not nationalist. if i were, i would call Fyrom as Skopje-the nationalists'version. Secondly, I can not understand how the war between Czech and Sweden (war? who talks about war?) is related to this topic! It is totally irrelevant and I could claim that your words sound absurd and inconsistent, since they are full of false impressions!
What amuses me most is that if I were to follow your example, we should have 3 (!) Macedonias on the list, because this term is written thrice on the world map (Hellas, Fyrom and Bulgaria).
And let aside these nonsense about "unidentified majorities" -my words speak the official version and not my personal opinion.( the official name of the olympic team was FYROM and not Macedonia) You should think about it more carefully.
Lastly, I agree with you, history teaches everything, if studied correctly.

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Witcher
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Joined: Wed Aug 18, 2004 8:27 am
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 11:30 am 
 

phos wrote:
Witcher wrote:
phos wrote:
i m glad that we agree.i have to inform you though that the official name of this province of ex-Yugoslavia is FYROM, after its separation from Yugoslavia, back in the 90s, and has not changed officialy,since then. since you claim that the site does not play politics, you ought to keep a neutral side, so that you do not offend anyone of your fans/readers, by using the official term.choosing the term "macedonia" isn t neutral and you show disrespect for the other side. this is a trivial issue for the rest of the world(like you) but a very sensitive one for us.


"When/if the area's name changes on the standardized world map, we'll change it on the site. Not before."

That was the answer, and you should respect that, since the topic was closed. That is why we use the term Macedonia. It has nothing to do with respect or disrespect. The stance of Greek nationalists is not of our concern, absolutely not. Using the term Macsedonia shows no stance, it is taken from the world map.

On a side note, your hysteria because of issues that lay centuries in the past is quite funny. Yes, the term Macedonia is close connected to the hellenic period of history, but should I demand now war reprobations from my fellow moderator Corimngul for what the Swedes have done here during the 30 years war in the 17th century? That would be quite absurd.

You are obviously not neutral on the issue, so accusing us of non-neutrality is not really a good taste.

One more thing, history of my country has teached me not to trust people who choose to hide behind the unidentified majority - be it all Greeks, all Czechs, all workers, all aryans, all band members etc. Think about it.


firstly i'm not nationalist. if i were, i would call Fyrom as Skopje-the nationalists'version. Secondly, I can not understand how the war between Czech and Sweden (war? who talks about war?) is related to this topic! It is totally irrelevant and I could claim that your words sound absurd and inconsistent, since they are full of false impressions!
What amuses me most is that if I were to follow your example, we should have 3 (!) Macedonias on the list, because this term is written thrice on the world map (Hellas, Fyrom and Bulgaria).
And let aside these nonsense about "unidentified majorities" -my words speak the official version and not my personal opinion.( the official name of the olympic team was FYROM and not Macedonia) You should think about it more carefully.
Lastly, I agree with you, history teaches everything, if studied correctly.


Those two other Macedonias are regions and nowadays respective parts of the countries, not states, so not a valid comparisons. As for the war, I used it as an example, why it is absurd to create such disputes over things that are centuries old. The orginal Macedonia and Macedonian nation do not exist for centuries now, so to try to revive the old glories in some panhelenist way is quite absurd.

One small remark - when we would change it, you can be sure, that another day there would be same hysterical reactions from Macedonians and their more nationalist wing.

You are trying to force us to accept the Greek position and therefore make a political statement, which is total contradiction to what you have said.

http://truth.macedonia.gr/fyrom.html
http://truth.macedonia.gr/index02.html

"In any case occupying 25% of ancient Macedonian land does not give them the right to steal the Macedonian history and culture. The Macedonian civilization was part of the ancient Greek civilization. This is well known and recorded in history books. It is part of Greece's national inheritance and it can not be used by anyone else."

The last sentence shows that is has more than enough to do with Greek nationalism.

You are presenting the official Greek version, it is the same as when Iranian users would demand, the we should cover all faces of female band members of Persian origin, no matter if they play in an American bands like emmigrants.



Fyrom is as alibist as it gets, when the people from the country choose to be called Vardarska and it will be recognized by other states, then it can be changed, not sooner. Fyrom contains the term Macedonia too and they use it internationally only because they want to cooperate with you in the future.

Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.

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