Mors_Gloria wrote:
I'll have to agree with what droneriot said (except for the Tangerine Dream part cause Eno indeed created Ambient). Witcher, do you find bands like Epheles and Altoriu Seseliai (Black Metal band influenced by the proggy ambience of Pink Floyd) less Metal than Dragonforce and Kamelot? Are Moevot, Amaka Hahina and other ambient LLN bands dance music?
What happens to Folk? Is it dance music, too? Eastern European ambient bands have a very folky sound (Wojnar, Perunwit, Munruthel). However are these bands not to be accepted there?
What I'm trying to say is that ambient is a part of the Metal scene and a part of the Metal philosophy. Ambient music is not Metal per se but it is a part of the Metal culture. Ambient, EBM and Industrial projects (at least in Greece) walk hand in hand with the extreme Metal scene.
That is quite sad, when soundwise completely opposites walk hand in hand with metal scene, as sad, as when rap walks hand in hand with the rock scene, thanks to nu-metal.
What happens to Folk? Is it dance music, too? Eastern European ambient bands have a very folky sound (Wojnar, Perunwit, Munruthel). However are these bands not to be accepted there?
Those band are accepted solely as side projects of metal musicians (Munruthel has at least some metal material too during his solo carreer), in case you have not noticed yet, in fact, their music has to do with metal as rap does. As a seperate projects, most of such bands would go straight to the rejected list. They are about as metal as a jazz rock project of Alex Skolnick is, even less, since that is at least electric guitar based music.
And yes, several of the electronic folk bands who almost qualify as dance music, or even wholly, if you have heard the side project of Severnye Vrata member, which somebody tried to submit several month ago.
Metal culture is rock and loud distorted guitars, not electronic music, once and for all.
Where is the "no trends" part of Euronymous creed, then? it is long lost because of thousand other reasons.
Altoriu Seseliai- I have not heard the band, but if ,after the description, the band follows the psychedelic dreamy parts of Pink Floyd, then i certainly would find Dragonforce more metal. Most of their songs are regular, riffs based metal, which has all the characteristics of the style, it is a music based around sharp, distorted guitar riffs, which are used in the traditional way. And Dragonforce are about million times more metal than LLN ambient projects, that is for sure. As for Pink Floyd inspired bands, i would depend, I would consider them seventies psychedelic rock inspired and not ambient inspired in that case. Black metal band inspired by psychedelic rock could be relatively interesting, but maybe also less consequently metal because of them. It would depend on their respective sound.
Are Moevot, Amaka Hahina and other ambient LLN bands dance music?
They are lightyears away from any real metal, extremely overrated for no apparent reason than their rarity and castle and suicide rumours, , largely worthless and certainly closer to Depeche Mode and other primarily electronic bands than to a real distorted guitar based band of any kind.
Also, they have spawned the millions of other such non-metal worthless side projects which plague myspace , and therefore derserve highest disrespect from anybody, who worships original metal values.
I have considered the discussion to be closed or left to die, but for you the last time - all electronic music including electro folk and ambient is in total contrast to everything real metal stands for and is to be despised by all people, who genuinely take metal seriously. Those who like something from it should have enough clear mind to know the gap between such stuff and real metal and should be polite and acknowledging to the roots of metal enough to consider it a "guilty pleasure" of his. It will never become an integral part of the metal scene, believe me, there will still be enough people who worship the "denim and leather" roots of the scene and who will watch over purity of the style and it will fade away, as nu-metal and other "cancerous" invasions have already started to do.
No it, is not part of metal culture, but a symbol of its attempted trendification and compromising, a symbol of decay.
EBM a part of a metal culture - perfect, great example of revisionism.
Rap would not become part of a metal culture, even when some bands would start rap side projects and the gangsta attitude would be likened to rebellios nature of black metal. Those are musically two completely different world and nothing would change it.
Of course it could be accepted in current black metal scene, the teenagers who largely form it were already growing up with techno, Aphex Twin and similar abominations.
I never said that Ambient, EBM, Neofolk, folk and the like are Metal genres. They are not. But these are genres that most Metallers are fond of.