Just wondering, Is there a difference between "Death Metal/Hardcore" and "Deathcore"? Im asking because I thought they were the same and still Ive been finding some bands classified as "deathcore" and other ones as "death metal/hardcore".

Is there actually a difference? Im gonna take as example this new addition, the band "Deathbox", they sounded like deathcore to me and they are listed as deathmetal/hardcore. Anyhow, if both mean the same thing, wouldnt be easier to just type "Deathcore"?

PS: I searched if there was a thread related to this topic but... I didnt find it... wierd that nobody has mentioned this before.

Not a special one, only perhaps that the death metal/hardcore bands are using more old school hc elements in their sound or are just death metal with some hc influences. There is no clear border and I would better leave it be.

why you don't ask also about Thrashcore ?

I'm agree with Witcher...

just wanted to know if there was an actual difference, but I just remembered that the one that submits the band has to type a genre... probably thats why we have this two. so nevermind

Yes, there is Death metal/Hardcore, Deathcore, Death Metal/Metalcore, Melodic Deathcore...

it's pretty much all classifiable into two types: deathcore and metalcore. Metalcore we all know what that is, basically thrash/melodeath riffs with screamo vocals offset by hardcore breakdowns and/or anthemic "emotional" clean singing. Deathcore is similar to metalcore but has more "br00tal" elements. Typically also has the breakdowns and the hardcore vocals, but often focuses more on breakdowns and/or tech riffs, and usually incorporates gurgly vocals as well, to serve the aforementioned purpose.

It particularly irks me when I see bands like As Blood Runs Black, classified as "Death metal/metalcore." I think that people just add in the "death metal" part to try to give the band some credibility. Come on, just tell it like it is.

I'm guilty of putting melodic deathcore on a few occasions, but that was primarily because the band at hand had numerous melodic elements but didn't adhere to the Gothenburg related melodic death/metalcore style. Instead showing an obvious leaning towards the "brutal" side of deathcore that you mentioned, with melodic breaks throughout the music. I'll also put brutal as a prefix to deathcore if the band shows more of a leaning to modern brutal death in the manner of say Vile. Ultra low guttural's or goregrind styled vocals are almost always present when I give that attachment though.

Even though it is excessive at times I see the purpose in being specific with the genre field. It gives people who are using the archives a more accurate representation of the bands sound without actually hearing them, it also helps narrow search results when looking for something specific.

Although I will never agree with self-categorized genres like "Goblincore" or "Unstable Black Metal" it's fine if a band wants to categorize their music as such but beyond that such "genres" don't belong here. Basically all I'm saying is that as long as the prefix is accepted by the community in general then I don't see the big deal. Where to draw the line is a bit harder to distinguish though.

I've always seen Melodic Deathcore as being Deathcore, only melodic... a good example is Heaven Shall Burn - even though they aren't listed as such.

Yet Melodic Deathcore differs from Melodic Death / Metalcore...

The latter is pretty much your standard Metalcore deal, most of it is influenced by Gothenburg, while older metalcore bands were more influenced by thrash metal bands (See: Overcast)...

Yet none of these genres are anything like Death Metal / Hardcore. This should probably be more accurately described as Death Metal / Crossover... it's like thrash crossover, only with death metal.

Now here's a question... I don't see much if any bands listed as "Blackcore" o r "Powercore"... while Thrashcore seems to be a rare breed as well. Do these genres exist?

Sludgecore and Doomcore do - both pretty much the same thing anyway, but it seems Sludgecore is Doom metal combined with hardcore, and then combined with hardcore again!

I remember their being one band on the archives that is considered blackcore. They aren't listed as such, but it said in their additional notes that they pioneered the sound or something of the sort.

and what sound would that be, emo meets norsecore? because otherwise it's hardly original, all first wave BM had a distinct hardcore influence.


M-A's usage of the "deathcore" tag often feels ackward to me. Since way before the metalcore boom, I'm used to hear it elsewhere describing 80's bands such as Armagedom, namely an oldschool hardcore band with DM leanings, without venturing into grind or crossover territories.

Same goes for "Thrash Metal/Hardcore" and "Thrashcore". These are applied here indistinctively where groove metal, metalcore, or even mallcore would have been more appropriate, particularly on Eartern European bands for some reason. Thrashcore is an old punk subgenre, that's where metalheads took the name for thrash metal.

Yes well technically black metal used to refer to Venom's style.

Not sure about the blackcore thing, I heard it mentioned on the forum once and checked out the band's page. I have no idea as to their sound.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deathcore
Unfortunately the term deathcore has gained new meaning now and it will be impossible to change it with the thousands of similar sounding bands.

There was the German Deathcore band and the "Deathcore" demo by Blood, but they had nothing in common with the current trend soundwise.
Before that, the term was used only sporadically and in quite vague fashion.

As for thrashcore, many Czech bands playing eighties crossover thrash label themselves so, it has become synonymous with it and I think it is similar in other European countries - many German bands do the same, as I have noticed.
The thrashcore tag for groove and nu-metal is a elatively new thing, largely caused by confused Korn and Slipknot fans and a part of trendy press.

Deathcore is Death Metal+Grindcore+Hardcore.
Death Metal/Hardcore is Death Metal+Hardcore.

This will be a bit off topic, but I noticed, that the Archives' stance on deathcore changed over the year - previously deathcore bands were put on the rejected list (and the ones that got put there still stay there), and now the Archives are flooded with deathcore bands and the mods just let them in...

This is totally off topic.

The deathcore bands that are more metal than hardcore are accepted, those that are not are rejected, as with all metalcore according to the rules, so nothing changed. Each band is judged individually, according to their sound. If there is 100 As I Lay Dying or The Red Chord copycats, naturally they get accepted. So those that were more modern hardcore than metal were put on the list. And do not start with this direction again, I had enough.

There is no stance on deathcore, but a stance on metalcore, where it belongs.
We do NOT accept the following (this is our decision, please don't argue this):

* Metalcore, unless it's clearly more metal than core (e.g Shadows Fall, The Red Chord, Mastodon are OK: Avenged Sevenfold, Atreyu, Bullet For My Valentine are NOT). If you are uncertain, best avoid metalcore bands altogether.
Every time it must turn to this...

You're wrong.

Deathcore=Emo Image+Lots of riffs stealed from 80s and 90s Death/Thrash Metal bands+Modern Sound+Hardcore Vocals.Oh and I forgot HUGE promotion.I think that after few years all these so called Deathcore bands will turn into another musical direction.

As with other styles, the market will get oversaturated soon and only those that had a distinct sound and a bigger fanbase will survive. It happens every time.

Not only Venom, but also Hellhammer, Bathory, Sodom... even Mercyful Fate had distinct punk roots. Same goes for the next generation, with Von, Sarcófago, Parabellum, early Mayhem, Darkthrone even.

Yes I know. My point was simple, what genre classifications refer to has the ability to change with time and that inevitably the most popularized and current version will hold more validity, if for no more reason then mass use. I don't necessarily agree with this but it has occurred numerous time's, with a prominent example being hardcore and the array of difference's between modern and original.

hm.. are you saying that deathcore is a mix of death metal, grindcore and hardcore??? are you sure?

Thrashcore is a punk genre that has very little to do with metal

For me yes I or else it will be labeled Death Metal/Hardcore if it's Deathcore that mean they must have Grindcore influences too.

I dont think all people could agree with you, I dont think people normally use the -core to specify "grindcore + hardcore" but only Hardcore.

I've seen the -core tag used to point out Hardcore elements or influence many times. Take this description of Metalcore by example (where the -core stands for Hardcore; grindcore is not even mentioned): http://www.bnrmetal.com/v2/genre.php?ID=K

Just wondering, according to you people's explanation, Ghoul sounds like Death Metal\Hardcore.

theres 6 different Ghouls in the archives, so I dunno.

The one with Impaled members

Ghoul's debut is the best for me as it is the most thrashy.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=671

it says Death/Thrash/Grind

I have no idea of the point that Versus is trying to make.

me neither

there isnt a differnce it is just the way that people have put in the genre.

melodic deathcore is melodic death metal/hardcore
technical deathcore is technical death metal/hardcore
brutal deathcore is brutal death metal/hardcore
and so on...

tis as simple as that

No it's not. Melodic death metal/hardcore generally adds up to regular metalcore, i.e. Killswitch Engage, Trivium, As I Lay Dying - all of these "gothencore" (hence the name) bands.

Generally, I think that deathcore refers to metalcore with a notable brutal death influence, particularly in the form of very fast drumming, brutal death vocals like gurgles/pig squeals, with less of an emphasis on the Gothencore riffs and rarely if ever clean singing. Such would be the case with what I consider representative deathcore bands, like Job For A Cowboy or Despised Icon. Hence I think "brutal deathcore" is sort of redundant. Melodic deathcore, I suppose, would refer to a band which still contained the brutal death influence but retained a lot of the original metalcore style riffs. I suppose As Blood Runs Black would be an example of this.

Ugh, it makes me feel unclean even talking about these things...